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scrubbedexpat099 Jul 28th 2011 5:04 am

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 9524826)
On the point of both being the same race, how would it be seen by an average American if both parties were white, but one was Latino?

Latino is not a race.

Leslie Jul 28th 2011 5:07 am

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 9524826)
On the point of both being the same race, how would it be seen by an average American if both parties were white, but one was Latino?

Generally, speaking from an American point of view, even though Latinos are called "white" for statistical purposes, they have never been considered "white" even within their own community. It has only been in recent history that Latinos/Hispanic/Mexican etc have been accounted for as "white". So, in popular sentiment, and from a genetic standpoint, it would definitely be considered racist.

Leslie Jul 28th 2011 5:08 am

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 9524831)
Latino is not a race.

He's giving a perfectly reasonable scenario for a rhetorical question and you're splitting hairs about word meanings and definitions.

Sarah Jul 28th 2011 5:28 am

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 
Its shitty that that was said to you, and whether it was technically racist or not, it was extremely offensive, unprofessional, prejudiced and a complaint would certainly be justified. Someone like that has no business dealing with the public.
I remember once being told by an old man at an airport that I needed to "learn to speak some English"
Wanker.

kimilseung Jul 28th 2011 5:34 am

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 9524836)
Generally, speaking from an American point of view, even though Latinos are called "white" for statistical purposes, they have never been considered "white" even within their own community. It has only been in recent history that Latinos/Hispanic/Mexican etc have been accounted for as "white". So, in popular sentiment, and from a genetic standpoint, it would definitely be considered racist.

Would that still be the case for a latino of European descent. Someone like Diego Forlan as an example, would he be non white in peoples minds? That was the kind of scenario I was thinking.

Leslie Jul 28th 2011 5:42 am

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 9524877)
Would that still be the case for a latino of European descent. Someone like Diego Forlan as an example, would he be non white in peoples minds? That was the kind of scenario I was thinking.

No. He'd be considered white. I'm speaking specifically to the races/cultures that were formed when the conquering Spaniards forced the indigenous people adopt their language and religion.

md95065 Jul 28th 2011 7:36 am

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 

Originally Posted by Sarah (Post 9524869)
Its shitty that that was said to you, and whether it was technically racist or not, it was extremely offensive, unprofessional, prejudiced and a complaint would certainly be justified. Someone like that has no business dealing with the public.

While it wasn't very clear from the rather convoluted description in the original post I believe that the person who made the remarks was "the public" and that it was the person "dealing with the public" who was the unfortunate recipient of them ...

Cape Blue Jul 28th 2011 8:27 am

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 

Originally Posted by lansbury (Post 9523357)
That I think goes to what I'm trying to understand. In the UK that remark if the person thought it was racist would get you arrested and charged with a racially aggravated public order offense. To me if it was said to a non British person in the UK it would be racist. Just another culture difference I guess, some actions are more acceptable here then in the UK.

That's PC-gone-mad UK though isn't it.

Sounds like the definition of racist has expanded to include non-racial differences. Personally I would call it xenophobic.

SultanOfSwing Jul 28th 2011 9:31 am

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 
Racist, no. Offensive, xenophobic, unnecessary - yes.

The guy was a bell-end, no question, but the phrase 'go back where you came from' could just as easily have been said to some local scrotes making trouble (and be perfectly justified in that case!)

kimilseung Jul 28th 2011 11:17 am

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 
Apparently in England you are being racist for calling a Frenchman, French.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/evert...0252-28400787/

Judge Fletcher said: "Sibson’s heckle was offensive and racially aggravated by its reference to Saha’s national origin"

scrubbedexpat099 Jul 28th 2011 11:44 am

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 9525389)
Apparently in England you are being racist for calling a Frenchman, French.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/evert...0252-28400787/

Judge Fletcher said: "Sibson’s heckle was offensive and racially aggravated by its reference to Saha’s national origin"


But he said prosecutors accepted Sibson pleading guilty to two counts of abusing the French player by calling him a “f****** useless lazy French b******”.
I think it should have been reported as:

But he said prosecutors accepted Sibson pleading guilty to two counts of abusing the F**** player by calling him a “f****** useless lazy F**** b******”.

Where have journalistic standards gone.

scrubbedexpat099 Jul 28th 2011 11:45 am

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 

Originally Posted by Leslie (Post 9524839)
He's giving a perfectly reasonable scenario for a rhetorical question and you're splitting hairs about word meanings and definitions.

True.

One should never let facts get in the way where the race industry is involved.

Leslie Jul 28th 2011 1:14 pm

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 9525424)
True.

One should never let facts get in the way where the race industry is involved.

No but discussing what is true to the human experience is more important than using technical descriptions to dismiss honest discourse. This is a technique used on both sides of the argument whenever it suits their position.

lansbury Jul 28th 2011 1:23 pm

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 

Originally Posted by lyonsden1193 (Post 9524588)
Have a real serious question for you... Now that you have seen the various comments with regard to the events you described do you feel betrayed, annoyed or has it left you feeling bewildered at the general outside reaction?

None of those really. I was surprised that people in town see little wrong with the remark. But I have been through a lot of diversity training so perhaps look at it differently. One thing 30 odd years as a police officer taught me, getting annoyed or bewildered by what people say or do would leave you in that state permanently.

scrubbedexpat099 Jul 28th 2011 4:24 pm

Re: Is this a racist remark.
 

Originally Posted by lansbury (Post 9525525)
None of those really. I was surprised that people in town see little wrong with the remark. But I have been through a lot of diversity training so perhaps look at it differently. One thing 30 odd years as a police officer taught me, getting annoyed or bewildered by what people say or do would leave you in that state permanently.

My sympathies.

I have been through a lot of telephone training courses, I am sure they were equally useful.


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