Is this a racist remark.
#1
Is this a racist remark.
An English person was told by an American in quite an abusive way to "Go back where you come from". This was after they had made other abusive remarks to the person. They were told racist remarks would not be tolerated and to apologize or leave. This was at a community information booth, they then made abusive remarks to an American at the booth, and left
Now it seems very few Americans I have spoken to think that remark is racist. I cannot find a legal definition in the US of what is a racist remark. In England it is any remark which the subject of the remark or any person hearing it believes to be racist.
So opinions please.
Now it seems very few Americans I have spoken to think that remark is racist. I cannot find a legal definition in the US of what is a racist remark. In England it is any remark which the subject of the remark or any person hearing it believes to be racist.
So opinions please.
#2
Re: Is this a racist remark.
No idea on the legal status, but I believe it to be racist, however not all racist insults are as offensive as others, its a power thing, and the English in America generally are not at the wrong end of the stick in this regard.
UN definition:
the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life
Was this Englishman, you, by any chance?
UN definition:
the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life
Was this Englishman, you, by any chance?
Last edited by kimilseung; Jul 27th 2011 at 9:37 pm.
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Re: Is this a racist remark.
Apart from the offensive remark and the parting comment, it is unclear from the OP who said what to whom. Two wrongs don't make a right in that parting comment.
That said, if it's obvious the giver of "go back" knew that the receiver was from a different country then yes, I would believe it to be offensive, possibly racist but the latter is a little ambiguous in today's multi- and mixed-cultural world.
That said, if it's obvious the giver of "go back" knew that the receiver was from a different country then yes, I would believe it to be offensive, possibly racist but the latter is a little ambiguous in today's multi- and mixed-cultural world.
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Re: Is this a racist remark.
Apart from the offensive remark and the parting comment, it is unclear from the OP who said what to whom. Two wrongs don't make a right in that parting comment.
That said, if it's obvious the giver of "go back" knew that the receiver was from a different country then yes, I would believe it to be offensive, possibly racist but the latter is a little ambiguous in today's multi- and mixed-cultural world.
That said, if it's obvious the giver of "go back" knew that the receiver was from a different country then yes, I would believe it to be offensive, possibly racist but the latter is a little ambiguous in today's multi- and mixed-cultural world.
#5
Re: Is this a racist remark.
No idea on the legal status, but I believe it to be racist, however not all racist insults are as offensive as others, its a power thing, and the English in America generally are not at the wrong end of the stick in this regard.
UN definition:
the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life
Was this Englishman, you, by any chance?
UN definition:
the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life
Was this Englishman, you, by any chance?
As far as the remark itself. Telling someone 'to go back to where they come from' is in itself not racist.. as far as the power thing I would tend to agree with you. Like all put downs, they are meant to gain an advantage. Either the one or two finger salute is normally enough to nip it in the bud.
If not ... Punch his/ her lights out
#6
Re: Is this a racist remark.
Yes it was. It was the city's community booth at the Sunday Market. I was asked a question and as soon as I started speaking the abuse started. But that is by the by. Not making an issue of it and just put it down to the persons stupidity, but it is the fact that just about all the people I have spoken to (small town every one knows and keeps asking) believe there was nothing racist in being told to go back where I come from, prompted the question from me.
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Re: Is this a racist remark.
No, I don't find that to be a racist remark. His admonishment to return to your country of birth is not racist but might be construed as racist or bigotry if he had included verbage vilifying your country of orgin, your religious preference, etc. His remark could be said to anyone he encounters, even a born in the US citizen, with a regional accent. For example, a New Yorker telling a Southern to go back to where he belongs.
#10
Re: Is this a racist remark.
When I gave an answer I had no knowledge of the race of either party, just the nationality. I still do not know the race of the American. I wonder if my answer would be different if I had known the race. I think I made the assumption that both were white, but this information was not given.
#11
Re: Is this a racist remark.
You are taking it as racist remark because you are a foreign born American which is obvious by your accent. The same remark to an African or Hispanic without an accent would be viewed by me in the same way -- non-racist.
Obviously this person was upset and quite possibly has an issue with immigration.
#12
Re: Is this a racist remark.
When I gave an answer I had no knowledge of the race of either party, just the nationality. I still do not know the race of the American. I wonder if my answer would be different if I had known the race. I think I made the assumption that both were white, but this information was not given.
To me the remark was made because my accent identifies me as apparently not being American, hence it was racist.
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Re: Is this a racist remark.
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I can not imagine a scenario were a white would say "go back where you came from" to an African/African-American/Hispanic and for it not to have racist overtones.
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That I think goes to what I'm trying to understand. In the UK that remark if the person thought it was racist would get you arrested and charged with a racially aggravated public order offense. To me if it was said to a non British person in the UK it would be racist. Just another culture difference I guess, some actions are more acceptable here then in the UK.