Qualifications?
 

Continuing my theme of unscientific polls...

Somone in the Salary thread commented that the high incomes reported were probably related to education level.

So, what's your personal level of eduction? I'm using the standard(ish) market research groupings here, so don't all should at once that your particular obscure MBA+Rabbit Sexing doctorate isn't in there! :D

GNVQ from Stockport College.
HND from John Moores

both in Construction Management.

which is dead handy when moving to a country that has never seen a f**king brick.

I have just finished my final exams for a BACHELOR OF ARTS degree.

BaTchelor? What qualification(s) does the compiler of the poll list hold? Oops! Maybe that's how it's spelt over there! If so, I apologise profusely.

Yes, my spelling is dreadful.

You did remind me, though, that I had missed the category for "Master's Degree in Smart Arsery" - a quliafication widly held on these boards!

:rolleyes: :D

Hee hee! Never mind, mate! 100% grading for being so quick off the mark in the correctiion! :lecture:

...and the scary thing is... I didn't correct it!

Spooky, eh? (thanks Manc!)

no worries mate.

Well I hold a Bachelors from Loughborough Uni in Mathematical Computation.

It is the main reason I got where I am even tho it didn't actually teach me very much.

Well done. Not that I really expected everyone to list all their precise qualifications!


;)

you'd probably get a better idea of how people got here if we did tho :)

My husband has an Engineering Degree majoring in Electronics. He works in the telecommunications field. I'm saying what he has got because it was his salary as I was unable to work.

Also what is relevant to this conversation is the length of experience after graduation. My hubby has been working for 15 years now, which in part explains why he does better than someone who might just be graduating.

I've a Business degree majoring in Accounting which would have meant good money if I could have ever got my work permit thru. Screw INS.

I got me just 2 GCSEs in Maths and Computer Studies. Hated school. Didn't go to college or uni. Signed out of school on my 16th birthday and have never looked back. Have been in IT since (15+ years) and have never been unemployed.

So, to me, qualifications had no effect on my life.


Cheers,
David.

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I was one of the higher earners in yesterdays poll. and I can totally disprove the education/salary link. I left school at 16 with a few O levels and went of to work with British Telecom. I am now a CIO for a very large bank.

I have 9 years programming experience, 6 of those professionally and 6 years experience in my field (computer games).

AFAIK this comibined with degree is the reason my VISA went through so easily and is also the reason I am one of the middle paid people in the poll.

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such was the case years back. its going to get harder for people to get into well paying jobs without college education. exceptional skills/experience will definitely get you into a job.

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It doesn't seem to disprove anything other than that you are an exception to a general rule. Assuming, that is, that you're not telling us that the less education you have the higher your salary will be, on average?

Well done to you. The fact remains that the higher your level of education, the higher your salary is likely to be on average.

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To a certain extent I agree. My husband is in one of the higher pay bands on the Poll. He has no qualifications, left school at 15 and joined the RAF as an apprentice and did 25 years, slowly moving up the ranks. His experience got him the job he has now. Sometimes plain common sense means more than that all elusive piece of paper.

As an aside though, I watched an interview of recent college grads the other nite. None of them have been able to find jobs in the fields they want. Maybe their expectations are too high. Some of them seemed to think they would leave college and move right into a $70thou a year job, pretty unrealistic. Gone are the days of people being prepared to start at the bottom of a company just to get a foot in the door and prove themselves. Most of them are waiting tables to make ends meet. Bring back the days of apprenticeships at large companies, let kids learn a trade from the ground up, instead of thinking they should have everything handed to them on a plate. Also interesting on this show was the amount of student debt each college grad had acquired. For some of them it will take 30 years or more to pay it off, not a good way to be starting your working life.

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aka data processing director...

can anyone think of a more boring job? They'd have to pay me a damn sight more than 100K to do that.

you're a more patient man than me :)

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Your right, they would have to pay me more than $100K to do this job. The good news is they do!!!!

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You actually mean, "you're right"

Shame they didn't use some of that money to educate you in correct use of English grammar.

ooooohh miiaaaaaaaaaoww!!!

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Insurance agent..........

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:D:D:D

don't be hard on yourself Manc.

I put hubbies qualifications on too because it was his salary I put on the other poll. I don't work so don't count:)

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With all due respect, this is one of the most biased posts I've ever read. I read your posts before and I remember you as a person whose words made a lot of sense to me. However, this one is nothing but making fun of (at least worded that way) "kids" who actually spend a fortune and all those long years to get that "elusive piece of paper". I didn't realize that in year 2004 somebody would still think that in a corporate environment a high school dropout should make significantly more than a university graduate and it's totally normal etc. (except sales and non-professional jobs though). Especially the fact that it comes out of your keyboard is a big surprise.

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Sorry but I have to agree with effi on this one- at least in the Manufacturing sector anyway.

Give me a 30 year old with dirty hands and a degree from the local community college over some new ME with a MBA fresh out of the UNI of where ever anyday of the week.

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It depends on the job…and how much training is required to do that job well, (not just an adequate job). It also depends on the individual and their ability irrespective of whether they completed the course (completion of an academic course doesn’t necessarily prove intelligence, but it does however show a level of commitment to completing the job in hand). Likewise, in general, those that have no qualifications at all raise a couple of questions…or statements (and I apologize that these are generalized)

1) They are incapable of getting qualifications
2) They are unwilling to get qualifications
3) They have not been given the opportunity to get the qualifications

There are very few people that fall into the third category, which only leave those that are unwilling or unable…either way, I wouldn’t employ one of those people...I would employ the one that had proved that he/she was capable of learning in a regimented system but still had the ability, drive and humility to keep learning while on the job.

Lets look at this another way…2 questions for those of you who ‘made it to the top of the salary table’ from the other poll with few or no formal qualifications

1) How many people have you employed in the last year?

2) How many of those people dropped out of high school?

Its simple, in order to survive these days (even to get a foot in the door at a low level) you need a degree…in anything (unfortunately)

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That is not at all what my post meant. I feel sorry for the kids coming out of college today. I know they work extremely hard to get that 'elusive piece of paper' and go into considerable debt to get it. My point is that a lot of them come out with the view of "ok, here I am, pay me my $70 grand now that I have done all of this studying. In my view they still have to prove themselves in the workplace. What is wrong with starting at the bottom, after all they have no work experience. I was not necessarily talking about a corporate environment either. I know the company my husband works for (it is one of the biggest companies in the US) came out with a policy that they would only hire college grads. Well, it did not work, they soon got rid of a lot of them. Also the company I used to work for did the same thing, they just disrupted the whole process of doing things. Ways of doing things that had been successful for over 30 years were changed by these college kids who thought they knew better than the old farts teaching them on the job. It did not work, we lost contracts because management gave them the leeway to try things their own way, the majority of them are also no longer with the company.

Like I said, common sense and work experience count just as much as 'the elusive piece of paper', my husband proved that. He is in charge of over 70 guys, some of them with PHDs in engineering. Go figure.

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experience is the best teacher. a paper qualification doesnt hurt either.

Some times it is not either, sometimes it just depends on your personality and timing.

I would certain not hire someone who has all the experience/qualifications and suffers from the know it all syndrome, cannot work with anyone personality.

you're fired:D

Then I take my qualifications and experience somewhere else then.:D :D

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Miss Holden was my best teacher, plus she had big tits which probably explains all the uncontrollable erections I had in her maths class

Gross you have 12 post left.

I agree with this wholeheartedly, I have been in that situation and it makes going to work every day a nightmare.

As for timing, that is what happend to my husband. I am under no illusions about 'the elusive piece of paper' being all important these days in getting you in for at least an interview.
My husband came over here in 1988 with the UK military to a liaison post inside a large company in PA. He worked with all levels of people, from people on the plant floor to people in the highest offices, and did it well.

When it was time for us to go home to UK after our 4 year tour the company approached him with the offer of working for them. They said they would sponsor him although I had an A2 visa at the time and he could have been my dependant and could have worked for them anyway. My husband still had 1 year to do in the military so the company said, go home and do your time then come back. Myself and my son meantime stayed in PA. If this company had not seen his work ethic and how well he did things he would not have been given a chance had he just walked up the front steps looking for a job with no qualifications. So you see, timing is indeed sometimes everything.

I can on the other hand see that qualifications are important, they can at least get you in the front door. Needless to say though, that just because you have those qualifications does not make you the best person for the job. Sometimes you just have to give people a chance to prove themselves. My husband has a very good '2nd career' and in the 10 years that he has worked for the company has been rewarded 3 times with promotions, not bad for someone who joined the RAF at 15 with nothing.

Yeap, Qualification, experience and a nice personality all go a long long way. I have met some real sad people and had to work with them, bloody nightmare.


Just to let you all know Gross will be leaving us all soon, gee I am so heart broken.:D :D

besides anything,

those of us on H1 visas will almost certainly have degrees...its very difficult to be approved without one...

11 more to go:D

So, when are you moving to TEXAS then?