pope is dead
Apr 2nd 2005, 3:37 pm
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Re: pope is dead
Originally Posted by Franklin
another possible "or" ...
Or they prayed that God's Will be Done.
Or they prayed that God's Will be Done.
Apr 2nd 2005, 4:15 pm
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Re: pope is dead
Fakin' 'ell, you lot, have you not looked in TIO today/yesterday. You're opening up another can of worms here! Braver than I, I must say........
Apr 2nd 2005, 6:40 pm
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Re: pope is dead
[QUOTE=FIRSTIMER]I must say, you do not see beyond your nose. There is more to life than WAKE UP, JOB,SLEEP; WAKE UP, JOB, SLEEP. Find out. I don't care what you discover, but find out. The "utopia" was NOT promised by him or else it would end with him.[/QUOT
No he was the leader of a religion that promises it's followers that they will go to a better place after this and this life just a rehearsal for that. All based on some fiction that was written 2000 years a go to keep the peasants in line. He was also head of the richest organisation on the planet, yet it sends out begging bowls to the poor on the promise that they will one day go to utopia. Not to mention the churches harbouring of peadophiles
No he was the leader of a religion that promises it's followers that they will go to a better place after this and this life just a rehearsal for that. All based on some fiction that was written 2000 years a go to keep the peasants in line. He was also head of the richest organisation on the planet, yet it sends out begging bowls to the poor on the promise that they will one day go to utopia. Not to mention the churches harbouring of peadophiles
Apr 2nd 2005, 10:05 pm
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Re: pope is dead
Originally Posted by fraser
Not to mention the churches harbouring of paedophiles.
Apr 2nd 2005, 10:28 pm
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Re: pope is dead
[QUOTE=fraser]
Again you are wrong!, he was NOT the "leader" of "religion" rather a "servant" of "Christains". It is very obvious that you are not a christain, yet you speak of christains as though with knowledge. The term is christain and the leader is Jesus.
In truth the past, so called servants acted as dictators, however that does not negate the work of the leader who made himself a servant (Jesus). Please read the bible, start with the book of John and REALLY get to know the leader for yourself.
There are two ways of reading - reading to justify your pre-conceived negative view or a reading to seek the truth. I suggest you adopt the latter in the privacy of your home (don't tell any one what you decide it's up to you, but be honest!)
Originally Posted by FIRSTIMER
I must say, you do not see beyond your nose. There is more to life than WAKE UP, JOB,SLEEP; WAKE UP, JOB, SLEEP. Find out. I don't care what you discover, but find out. The "utopia" was NOT promised by him or else it would end with him.[/QUOT
No he was the leader of a religion that promises it's followers that they will go to a better place after this and this life just a rehearsal for that. All based on some fiction that was written 2000 years a go to keep the peasants in line. He was also head of the richest organisation on the planet, yet it sends out begging bowls to the poor on the promise that they will one day go to utopia. Not to mention the churches harbouring of peadophiles
No he was the leader of a religion that promises it's followers that they will go to a better place after this and this life just a rehearsal for that. All based on some fiction that was written 2000 years a go to keep the peasants in line. He was also head of the richest organisation on the planet, yet it sends out begging bowls to the poor on the promise that they will one day go to utopia. Not to mention the churches harbouring of peadophiles
In truth the past, so called servants acted as dictators, however that does not negate the work of the leader who made himself a servant (Jesus). Please read the bible, start with the book of John and REALLY get to know the leader for yourself.
There are two ways of reading - reading to justify your pre-conceived negative view or a reading to seek the truth. I suggest you adopt the latter in the privacy of your home (don't tell any one what you decide it's up to you, but be honest!)
Apr 2nd 2005, 10:31 pm
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Re: pope is dead
Originally Posted by FIRSTIMER
Again you are wrong!, he was NOT the "leader" of "religion" rather a "servant" of "Christains". It is very obvious that you are not a christain, yet you speak of christains as though with knowledge. The term is christain and the leader is Jesus.
In truth the past, so called servants acted as dictators, however that does not negate the work of the leader who made himself a servant (Jesus). Please read the bible, start with the book of John and REALLY get to know the leader for yourself.
There are two ways of reading - reading to justify your pre-conceived negative view or a reading to seek the truth. I suggest you adopt the latter in the privacy of your home (don't tell any one what you decide it's up to you, but be honest!)
In truth the past, so called servants acted as dictators, however that does not negate the work of the leader who made himself a servant (Jesus). Please read the bible, start with the book of John and REALLY get to know the leader for yourself.
There are two ways of reading - reading to justify your pre-conceived negative view or a reading to seek the truth. I suggest you adopt the latter in the privacy of your home (don't tell any one what you decide it's up to you, but be honest!)
Madder than a barrel load of monkeys :scared:
Apr 2nd 2005, 10:35 pm
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Re: pope is dead
YES! For the first time, a Christain willing to take you on on your excuses.
Originally Posted by fraser
Madder than a barrel load of monkeys :scared:
Apr 2nd 2005, 10:41 pm
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Re: pope is dead
Originally Posted by FIRSTIMER
YES! For the first time, a Christain willing to take you on on your excuses.
Apr 2nd 2005, 11:44 pm
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Re: pope is dead
Originally Posted by FIRSTIMER
The term is christain.
Apr 3rd 2005, 1:36 am
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Re: pope is dead
Originally Posted by DaveC
Is this a new religion? Before you get on your high horse (or is it a donkey?)
Apr 3rd 2005, 5:20 am
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Re: pope is dead
Originally Posted by FIRSTIMER
YES! For the first time, a Christain willing to take you on on your excuses.
Not my own words but true.
This was the most centralised Vatican regime in history. He ruled it for a quarter of a century as the religious equivalent of a totalitarian dictator.
As a consequence, everything that went on in the Church in that period is down to him. The buck stops firmly at his desk. So don't try to argue that he was innocent of the paedophile scandals because he wasn't.
It is safe to assume that (a) he knew all about it; (b) he ordered the cover up that prevented the paedophiles from being caught; and (c) he considered the reputation of the Church more important than the protection of our children from the perverted monsters in his own ranks.
How you can have any sympathy for the man is beyond me. As I say, talk to someone whose child has been molested by one of JPII's priests and ask them how they feel about him.
This is child rape on a huge scale we're talking about - I can't imagine anything more heinous. And your Pope is responsible for it.
Apr 3rd 2005, 7:15 pm
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Re: pope is dead
Originally Posted by fraser
Not my own words but true.
This was the most centralised Vatican regime in history. He ruled it for a quarter of a century as the religious equivalent of a totalitarian dictator.
As a consequence, everything that went on in the Church in that period is down to him. The buck stops firmly at his desk. So don't try to argue that he was innocent of the paedophile scandals because he wasn't.
It is safe to assume that (a) he knew all about it; (b) he ordered the cover up that prevented the paedophiles from being caught; and (c) he considered the reputation of the Church more important than the protection of our children from the perverted monsters in his own ranks.
How you can have any sympathy for the man is beyond me. As I say, talk to someone whose child has been molested by one of JPII's priests and ask them how they feel about him.
This is child rape on a huge scale we're talking about - I can't imagine anything more heinous. And your Pope is responsible for it.
This was the most centralised Vatican regime in history. He ruled it for a quarter of a century as the religious equivalent of a totalitarian dictator.
As a consequence, everything that went on in the Church in that period is down to him. The buck stops firmly at his desk. So don't try to argue that he was innocent of the paedophile scandals because he wasn't.
It is safe to assume that (a) he knew all about it; (b) he ordered the cover up that prevented the paedophiles from being caught; and (c) he considered the reputation of the Church more important than the protection of our children from the perverted monsters in his own ranks.
How you can have any sympathy for the man is beyond me. As I say, talk to someone whose child has been molested by one of JPII's priests and ask them how they feel about him.
This is child rape on a huge scale we're talking about - I can't imagine anything more heinous. And your Pope is responsible for it.
one thing i find hard is the fact that by denouncing the use of contraception, ie the condom, many have been sentanced to death by hiv and aids or at the very least exposed to disease in the name of their faith.
god wont protect you if you choose to not protect yourself.
Apr 4th 2005, 2:15 am
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Re: pope is dead
Originally Posted by FIRSTIMER
Again you are wrong!, he was NOT the "leader" of "religion" rather a "servant" of "Christains". It is very obvious that you are not a christain, yet you speak of christains as though with knowledge. The term is christain and the leader is Jesus.
In truth the past, so called servants acted as dictators, however that does not negate the work of the leader who made himself a servant (Jesus). Please read the bible, start with the book of John and REALLY get to know the leader for yourself.
There are two ways of reading - reading to justify your pre-conceived negative view or a reading to seek the truth. I suggest you adopt the latter in the privacy of your home (don't tell any one what you decide it's up to you, but be honest!)
In truth the past, so called servants acted as dictators, however that does not negate the work of the leader who made himself a servant (Jesus). Please read the bible, start with the book of John and REALLY get to know the leader for yourself.
There are two ways of reading - reading to justify your pre-conceived negative view or a reading to seek the truth. I suggest you adopt the latter in the privacy of your home (don't tell any one what you decide it's up to you, but be honest!)
I am a Christian as defined by the correct SPELLING and definition in the dictionary.
Apr 4th 2005, 2:21 am
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Re: pope is dead
Originally Posted by FIRSTIMER
Again you are wrong!, he was NOT the "leader" of "religion" rather a "servant" of "Christains". It is very obvious that you are not a christain, yet you speak of christains as though with knowledge. The term is christain and the leader is Jesus.
Btw, did you mean to say: a servant of God? But then again, what do I know, I'm only a christian, not a christain.
Apr 4th 2005, 2:24 am
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Re: pope is dead
Originally Posted by FIRSTIMER
Again you are wrong!, he was NOT the "leader" of "religion" rather a "servant" of "Christains". It is very obvious that you are not a christain, yet you speak of christains as though with knowledge. The term is christain and the leader is Jesus.
In truth the past, so called servants acted as dictators, however that does not negate the work of the leader who made himself a servant (Jesus). Please read the bible, start with the book of John and REALLY get to know the leader for yourself.
There are two ways of reading - reading to justify your pre-conceived negative view or a reading to seek the truth. I suggest you adopt the latter in the privacy of your home (don't tell any one what you decide it's up to you, but be honest!)
In truth the past, so called servants acted as dictators, however that does not negate the work of the leader who made himself a servant (Jesus). Please read the bible, start with the book of John and REALLY get to know the leader for yourself.
There are two ways of reading - reading to justify your pre-conceived negative view or a reading to seek the truth. I suggest you adopt the latter in the privacy of your home (don't tell any one what you decide it's up to you, but be honest!)
Time to change your medication dude! (Don't tell anyone what you change to, it's up to you, but find one that works)
