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Re: Phil Collins
Originally Posted by SecretGarden
Heh,
It's the "other lady" here...or I guess you could just refer to me as "Mr. Pink's Old Lady".....:) This has turned into an interesting discussion but you're wrong on several points. Although it's certainly true that PG felt frustrated at the development of the group's song writing style (into a "committee" type process), it's a well known fact that the main issue pushing him to leave the band was the birth of his first daughter, Anna. She was born with health problems, which at the time were considered to be quite serious. He left the band at a very inconvenient time, but all things considered, decided to put his growing family first and stay by his (then) wife's side and take care of his daughter. Have you read the Bright bio? All of this is covered in that book and is authorized by PG, so one would have to assume that that is the true take on that subject. Covered also in the Bright bio is the story behind all the "silly costumes" as you so eloquently put it. PG certainly wasn't the only musician to use the "silly costumes" idea in that era-----certainly you've seen some pictures of a certain Mr. Bowie dressed to the hilt complete with makeup and characterization, correct? After all, this was the era of "glam rock" and I don't think it's fair to assume that audiences were "bored" with Genesis' performances so they came to see the old man mask sing. In fact, the masks started because PG was, believe it or not, painfully shy and felt that acting like someone else would help him feel more comfortable in front of an audience. How many times have you heard famous actors claim that down deep they are truly insecure and shy people? We've got all the bootlegs ever made, and yep, the sound quality certainly leaves quite a bit to be desired when compared to today's technology, but it's really two different things, isn't it? Singing behind a mask certainly doesn't help the vocals one bit, but neither does the level of sophistication of the instrumentation and production 40 years ago either. ‘Seconds Out’ blows it away. Phil’s drumming and powerful vocals are in a different league altogether. But then I'm sure this is because the technology was better LOL. As far as Phil having rapport with his audience, I wholeheartedly agree. It's simply in a different way. Neither my husband or I mentioned "audience participation" as being "cheesy", nor would we....... PG certainly tries to involve his audiences in the total experience of the show as well. Perhaps not in the same way, but neither way is better or worse, simply different. If you've ever watched video or heard recordings of Gabriel Era Genesis shows, then you will undoubtedly notice that he did indeed engage in cracking jokes (mostly self depracating), laughing with the band, commenting on the audience and laughing at himself when he screwed up the lyrics or the timing (which he invariably does, and part of why his fans find him so appealing). The "audience rapport" style started in the early 70s as Gabriel realized he needed a way to "fill time" while the band got ready for the next song and occasionally attempted to repair malfunctioning equipment. He began telling long and complicated stories of his own making during change over periods. This was several years before the costumes started in Dublin in approximately 1973, IIRC. So, Tony, we might just have to agree to disagree on this one---hubby and I have been down this road many, many times with many, many people in all walks of life and locations around the world. Phil is a fantastic drummer, and one has to have respect for a guy who's been around as long as he has. But ah well, to each his own. Give me my "out there genius" PG and I'm happy as a clam. Doesn't mean my foot won't occasionally tap to "Sussudio" :rolleyes: but I much prefer Peter for my listening pleasure. P.S. Just a tip----"Genesis" was a *group*. Gabriel was Gabriel, Collins was Collins, Hackett---Hackett, and Banks---Banks. Well, you get the idea. P.S. Anyone notice the "Similar Threads" at bottom of this page? :D |
Re: Phil Collins
Originally Posted by tony_2003
It's all subjective mate. I happen to think the Clash made about two decent songs and the rest was drivel along with the rest of punk. You'd disagree with that i'm sure. You probably think the Darkness and the Streets are fantastic as well...
I like Phil Collins and the Darkness and the streets...of course i've heard more of Phil Collins but I know Virgin radio plays the Darkness and the Streets quite often and the songs i've heard are cool. Carey |
Re: Phil Collins
I must admit I like Peter Gabriel much better as well...i have almost all his stuff since his first solo album...i like him solo better. I went to see Birdy because i heard that the soundtrack was done by him. I even read an autobiography about him i checked out of the library at MSU back in the late 80's. I also had a poster of him on my wall while i was in college...i just got a bit obsessed for a bit...almost as bad as a teenager when i was a total Duranie......but that's another thread...right Thing1? I was totally obsessed by John Taylor as welll...hee hee...
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Re: Phil Collins
I find that PG is just to out there for my taste. I liked Marrillion when Fish was with them, I know that they were accused many times of trying to copy Genesis but I find them both good. Phil was the lead man for my money in Genesis and the band is just not the same without him and some may argue hence they have not really had any great hits.We are looking forward very much to the DVD of the concert coming out soon.
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Re: Phil Collins
The truly amazing thing in all this is that we have generated a 65-post thread on the subject of Phil Collins. Who shall we try next, Barry Manilow?
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Re: Phil Collins
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
The truly amazing thing in all this is that we have generated a 65-post thread on the subject of Phil Collins. Who shall we try next, Barry Manilow?
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Re: Phil Collins
Am I too late to give that troll-faced squeaky-voiced piece of worthless "humanity" and purveyor of insipid toss a kick in the ballads?
Phil Collins - Is there no start to his talent? http://quizilla.com/users/RolandofGi...%20Collins%3F/ |
Re: Phil Collins
Originally Posted by honeymommy
I thought buster was a great movie actually..... :D
"He was always good to his old mum though" ... yeh, when he wasn't pointing firearms into people's faces. Not Phil, obviously, he's not interesting enough to be dangerous. Myself, I'd rather remove my eyeballs with rusty spoons. |
Re: Phil Collins
Originally Posted by Deadmeat
Oh lordy, where to start? If you want a film about an irritating cheeky chirpy chappy that's really a nice guy once you take the armed robbery thing away then yeh, it's OK.
"He was always good to his old mum though" ... yeh, when he wasn't pointing firearms into people's faces. Not Phil, obviously, he's not interesting enough to be dangerous. Myself, I'd rather remove my eyeballs with rusty spoons. Where do I mail the rusty spoons to? :D |
Re: Phil Collins
Originally Posted by honeymommy
Where do I mail the rusty spoons to? :D
http://groups.msn.com/KateGordonsPhi...andgordon.msnw :D |
Re: Phil Collins
Originally Posted by Deadmeat
Oh lordy, where to start? If you want a film about an irritating cheeky chirpy chappy that's really a nice guy once you take the armed robbery thing away then yeh, it's OK.
"He was always good to his old mum though" ... yeh, when he wasn't pointing firearms into people's faces. Not Phil, obviously, he's not interesting enough to be dangerous. Myself, I'd rather remove my eyeballs with rusty spoons. Judging by your extreme reaction I can only deduce that at some point in your life you were kidnapped, tied up and gangbanged by some psychos while Two Hearts played in the background :D |
Re: Phil Collins
I blame you lot. Totally. All weekend I've been singing a Genesis song in my head .... you know when you can't get rid of it going over and over wherever you go? :rolleyes: Maybe someone can identify it for me. It is from A Trick of the Tail, it's where the beast gets back to his homeland and runs away "the beast was gone, and a voice was heard" anyone??
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Re: Phil Collins
Originally Posted by dbark
I blame you lot. Totally. All weekend I've been singing a Genesis song in my head .... you know when you can't get rid of it going over and over wherever you go? :rolleyes: Maybe someone can identify it for me. It is from A Trick of the Tail, it's where the beast gets back to his homeland and runs away "the beast was gone, and a voice was heard" anyone??
http://koala.ilog.fr/beust/genesis/a....the.tail.html That's as FAR as my investigation goes :) |
Re: Phil Collins
Originally Posted by tony_2003
Aww didums! Do you also hate the Kemp brothers?
Judging by your extreme reaction I can only deduce that at some point in your life you were kidnapped, tied up and gangbanged by some psychos while Two Hearts played in the background :D And the gang-bang was accompanied by "Another Day In Paradise" :D An act of bare-faced hypocrisy to be filed alongside Clapton's "I Dem Armani-Clad McBlues Momma". |
Re: Phil Collins
Originally Posted by Deadmeat
I thought that "The Krays" was OK actually as a film, only seen it the once mind ...
And the gang-bang was accompanied by "Another Day In Paradise" :D An act of bare-faced hypocrisy to be filed alongside Clapton's "I Dem Armani-Clad McBlues Momma". ...I wonder how many posts a thread on Michael Jackson would get... :cool: |
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