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Old Apr 1st 2019, 9:29 am
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​​​​I have been researching into determining what is a foreign trust vs a pension from what I gather if you contribute more vs your employer it is considered a trust? I roughly have about $800-900 in my pension.

I had a foreign pension scheme (work pension) that I was auto-enrolled in via my UK employer. I believe I had 1% come out my check to go my employer pension plan, my employer was a common UK retailer, I can't touch or wirhsraw from it until I retire. Is 3250 required for me?

When discussing with my wife her understanding was that if I contributed more to the pension scheme outside of the percentage that came out my (employer) pay check contributions this would make it a foreign trust?

A bit like contributing a chunk to a 401k in addition to the % you have setup to deduct from your paycheck.

Would this be correct? Nothing has went into my pension other than what came out my pay check I am trying to understand if my understanding of employer contributions is correct i.e the percentage that comes out your check and into the plan

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Old Apr 1st 2019, 2:43 pm
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Upon review of my pension scheme online my total employer contributions are higher than my employee contributions , with that being said with this not be considered a trust and a 3250 is not required?
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'When discussing with my wife her understanding was that if I contributed more to the pension scheme outside of the percentage that came out my (employer) pay check contributions this would make it a foreign trust?'

You certainly seem to have many complex tax issues on your mind Dee (But it seems your tax situation is pretty simple from what you've posted previously?)

Why is that her understanding specifically? Can you quote the IRS guidance?

(How did the question even come up?)

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'When discussing with my wife her understanding was that if I contributed more to the pension scheme outside of the percentage that came out my (employer) pay check contributions this would make it a foreign trust?'

Why is that her understanding specifically? Can you quote the IRS guidance?

(How did the question even come up?)
Good Morning Hotscot,

We were chatting about whether the 3250 applied to me as I am unsure, I'm not too great with pensions/taxes so I apologise if any of my questions come across as basic or stupid.This forum has been a huge help with any immigration or tax related questions, the assistance and advice from fellow expats has been immensely appreciated everyone on here has been fantastic!

Would I be correct in saying from what I provided above my pension is not a trust as my employer contributions was greater than mine?
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No need to apologize. Everyone can ask questions.

Why do you think it's a trust?
Can you quote the IRS guidance that makes you, or your wife, think this?
How did the question come up?
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Why do you think it's a trust?
Can you quote the IRS guidance that makes you think this?
I can't but I asked another user who mentioned a 3250 though I was unsure whether they mentioned this as they were unaware that it was dormant and that I was not withdrawing from it or the value .

I guess from what I noted it's not a trust then?, my employer matched my minimum % contributions and when I review my contributions vs my employer contributions their contribution was higher than mine.

My situation is probably simple and I am over complicating things. Apologies again if my questions seem like rookie questions

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No, don't apologize. Everyone has questions.

I just feel, from what you've provided so far, that you are overthinking, and that your personal tax situation is pretty straightforward. (And that you shouldn't go looking for potential niche issues that may or may not apply to you.)

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Hi cook county,

I asked on another forum that was not BE I am unsure why you are referencing the post. I apologise if I did anything wrong I am seeking advice/help on the issue.
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You're not doing anything wrong.
But how will you know you have a correct answer unless you engage a qualified professional?

Your situation seems simple.

Or are you asking for a 'friend'?
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You're not doing anything wrong.
But how will you know you have a correct answer unless you engage a qualified professional?

Your situation seems simple.

Or are you asking for a 'friend'?
Hi Hotscot,

That is true, can you provide any advice for my situation with regards to whether I do or do not have a trust. I am stressing over this and this is the last thing that I had a question about and then I was done believe it or not . I appreciate your input and also theOAP and cook_county, sorry for asking an abundance of questions taxes are not easy and it's alot to learn for someone new to it .

Look forward to your reply

Many Thanks

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Dee.

If you're stressing over this why do you think you have a trust?
You need to provide more detail as to why.
Nothing you've indicated suggests any complexity.

Quote the IRS guidance please.

(Are you a tax person trying to help a client?)
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Dee.

If you're stressing over this why do you think you have a trust?
You need to provide more detail as to why.
Nothing you've indicated suggests any complexity.

Quote the IRS guidance please.

(Are you a tax person trying to help a client?)
Because I asked cook_county via PM and he mentioned a 3250 in addition to 8938 and Fbar though I was unsure if the user knew about everything of my situation in terms of finance in accounts not meeting the threshold to file 8938 or Fbar etc so I have been stressed since then and scouring the net for an answer.
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No I am not a tax person or have clients I'm trying to help
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Understood Dee.

I personally don't think your accounts are complex.
However the only real way to give specific advice is for you to list all your non-US accounts, their types, and their values.

You seem to be stressing needlessly.
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Understood Dee.

I personally don't think your accounts are complex.
However the only real way to give specific advice is for you to list all your non-US accounts, their types, and their values.

You seem to be stressing needlessly.
Thank you, I sent a follow-up message to you
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