Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
Aug 16th 2005, 8:41 am
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
I've highlighted the key word.
Aug 16th 2005, 9:12 am
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
I saw one guy interviewed on several networks and he was consistant. There could be another witness who didn't talk to the press so let's wait to see. I would like to know where the info on the heavy brown coat came from. Thinking about it, there was one man further down the carriage who saw a dynamite vest on the guy. Go figure.
Aug 16th 2005, 11:31 am
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
From the Times article linked above:
CCTV footage clearly shows that Senhor de Menezes was wearing a thin denim jacket so he could not be concealing a bomb and nor was he carrying any bag.
Far from running to avoid police who were tailing him, the electrician did not realise anyone was following him. He used his season ticket and did not vault the barrier. He only began to run when he saw a train pull into the station and as many commuters do he quickened his pace to catch it.
CCTV footage clearly shows that Senhor de Menezes was wearing a thin denim jacket so he could not be concealing a bomb and nor was he carrying any bag.
Far from running to avoid police who were tailing him, the electrician did not realise anyone was following him. He used his season ticket and did not vault the barrier. He only began to run when he saw a train pull into the station and as many commuters do he quickened his pace to catch it.
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Aug 16th 2005, 11:41 am
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
Originally Posted by elfman
From the Times article linked above:
CCTV footage clearly shows that Senhor de Menezes was wearing a thin denim jacket so he could not be concealing a bomb and nor was he carrying any bag.
Far from running to avoid police who were tailing him, the electrician did not realise anyone was following him. He used his season ticket and did not vault the barrier. He only began to run when he saw a train pull into the station and as many commuters do he quickened his pace to catch it.
CCTV footage clearly shows that Senhor de Menezes was wearing a thin denim jacket so he could not be concealing a bomb and nor was he carrying any bag.
Far from running to avoid police who were tailing him, the electrician did not realise anyone was following him. He used his season ticket and did not vault the barrier. He only began to run when he saw a train pull into the station and as many commuters do he quickened his pace to catch it.
Aug 16th 2005, 11:58 am
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
Originally Posted by AmerLisa
Wow, that pictures says a lot. But, what more can be said?
Aug 16th 2005, 12:03 pm
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
Originally Posted by doctor scrumpy
If he had gone home when his visa ran out he would not have been shot in London. Would you rather the bombers had blown up a crowded train ?
Aug 16th 2005, 12:34 pm
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
Originally Posted by doctor scrumpy
If he had gone home when his visa ran out he would not have been shot in London. Would you rather the bombers had blown up a crowded train ?
Don't hurry on the subway Dr. Scrumpy, it could be dangerous.
Aug 16th 2005, 12:46 pm
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
Originally Posted by paddingtongreen
I think you've been at the scrumpy, he had no place to hide a bomb, he had done nothing suspicious. The fact that he overstayed his visa is meaningless unless they were aware of it, and they weren't, because he was not the man they were supposed to tail.
Don't hurry on the subway Dr. Scrumpy, it could be dangerous.
Don't hurry on the subway Dr. Scrumpy, it could be dangerous.
Aug 16th 2005, 12:54 pm
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
Never used the subway, or the metro in dc for that matter. As far as I am concerned the police did the right thing, they risk their lives in tackling a suspected bomber, and who the hell are you to sit back on the computer and call them for it ?
Or would you let a suspected suicide bomber pull the cord and blow you & everyone in the vicinity up ?
Or would you let a suspected suicide bomber pull the cord and blow you & everyone in the vicinity up ?
Aug 16th 2005, 12:56 pm
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
Originally Posted by doctor scrumpy
If he had gone home when his visa ran out he would not have been shot in London. Would you rather the bombers had blown up a crowded train ?
Aug 16th 2005, 12:56 pm
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
Originally Posted by paddingtongreen
I think you've been at the scrumpy, he had no place to hide a bomb, he had done nothing suspicious. The fact that he overstayed his visa is meaningless unless they were aware of it, and they weren't, because he was not the man they were supposed to tail.
Don't hurry on the subway Dr. Scrumpy, it could be dangerous.
Don't hurry on the subway Dr. Scrumpy, it could be dangerous.
Even with a t-shirt and shorts you could hide a reasonable sized bomb about your person - without sticking it somewhere painful.
Aug 16th 2005, 1:11 pm
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
This is really tough - i wonder if we will ever know the truth? The initial story with the coat and the running away is so different to this story.
IMO this is a terrible tragedy but i am fully behind the police - if the guy ran and was acting suspiciously after the events of previous days then it sounds callous but that was pretty stupid. If however he wasn't being chased and given no warning then it makes it more difficult to justify - I can't believe that this story is so different to the original so I would wait until any of this is confirmed.
Sadly in these times police will have to take these measures and I support them, mistakes and tragedies happen but my support is still with them.
"The IPCC made it clear that we would not speculate or release partial information about the investigation, and that others should not do so. That remains the case."
is a quote from the beeb - i guess it will all come out eventually, i feel sorry for the family to hear this in this way
IMO this is a terrible tragedy but i am fully behind the police - if the guy ran and was acting suspiciously after the events of previous days then it sounds callous but that was pretty stupid. If however he wasn't being chased and given no warning then it makes it more difficult to justify - I can't believe that this story is so different to the original so I would wait until any of this is confirmed.
Sadly in these times police will have to take these measures and I support them, mistakes and tragedies happen but my support is still with them.
"The IPCC made it clear that we would not speculate or release partial information about the investigation, and that others should not do so. That remains the case."
is a quote from the beeb - i guess it will all come out eventually, i feel sorry for the family to hear this in this way
Last edited by Big D; Aug 16th 2005 at 1:20 pm.
Aug 16th 2005, 1:29 pm
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
Originally Posted by Big D
This is really tough - i wonder if we will ever know the truth? The initial story with the coat and the running away is so different to this story.
IMO this is a terrible tragedy but i am fully behind the police - if the guy ran and was acting suspiciously after the events of previous days then it sounds callous but that was pretty stupid. If however he wasn't being chased and given no warning then it makes it more difficult to justify - I can't believe that this story is so different to the original so I would wait until any of this is confirmed.
Sadly in these times police will have to take these measures and I support them, mistakes and tragedies happen but my support is still with them.
"The IPCC made it clear that we would not speculate or release partial information about the investigation, and that others should not do so. That remains the case."
is a quote from the beeb - i guess it will all come out eventually, i feel sorry for the family to hear this in this way
IMO this is a terrible tragedy but i am fully behind the police - if the guy ran and was acting suspiciously after the events of previous days then it sounds callous but that was pretty stupid. If however he wasn't being chased and given no warning then it makes it more difficult to justify - I can't believe that this story is so different to the original so I would wait until any of this is confirmed.
Sadly in these times police will have to take these measures and I support them, mistakes and tragedies happen but my support is still with them.
"The IPCC made it clear that we would not speculate or release partial information about the investigation, and that others should not do so. That remains the case."
is a quote from the beeb - i guess it will all come out eventually, i feel sorry for the family to hear this in this way
Aug 16th 2005, 1:37 pm
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
Originally Posted by paddingtongreen
Did you not read the article? he didn't run, he didn't do anything suspicious, he just increased his pace to catch his train. they took him down because the copper who took a piss didn't check and misidentified him to the armed branch.
Who's to know if this version is any more reliable than versions we've heard before?
Aug 16th 2005, 2:21 pm
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Re: Oh dear - more on the unarmed Brazilian shooting in London
Originally Posted by paddingtongreen
Did you not read the article? he didn't run, he didn't do anything suspicious, he just increased his pace to catch his train. they took him down because the copper who took a piss didn't check and misidentified him to the armed branch.
Last edited by Big D; Aug 16th 2005 at 2:32 pm.
