THE NOOSE
 

Does Europe have a history of hanging innocent human beings out of hate like America has in its past? Has crimes against humanity in Europe taken a different method to murder yet has been as historically monsterous? The Holocaus in Germany stands out as well as all the burning of bodies during Franco's reign of terror in Spain.Do you think America's horrible history involving slavery is worse than Europe's history in the Balkins,Nazi Germany and all the other horrors of its past? In my opinion its scary that in 2007 we are still talking about Nooses in the United States.

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"We're" not talking about Nooses.....you are.

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I think its a subject matter that many people associate with the history of America.But of course every nation has its own history good and bad.

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Do you realise how much older Europe is? :rolleyes:

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Indeed it is and that older age could have manifested into wisdom and learning of its history therefore never having to repeat its mistakes? I question whether America has learned from its past!

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Do you know that slavery has been an issue since before the civilization of man. Are you aware that slavery was practiced by North American Indians before Europeans decided to settle here. Did you know that England and the Dutch were two of the major players at the time who introduced slavery to the north and south continents and the Caribbean Islands. You do know that it was the conquering tribal leaders of African tribes that enslaved members of the conquered tribes and either used them as slaves themselves or sold them to Europeans for profit?

Are you aware that atrocities against others has been in existence since the birth of mankind. You can find hate crimes as far back as BC and AD. There has always been hatred against others for race, religion, etc. Man has done little to raise themselves above the term of barbaric or savages.

The noose is only a symbol of hate and it is my belief that today it is used only because the press has given it such attention that fame seekers are using it only to gain notoriety. Unfortunately in the US we don't get to hear much of what goes on in Europe but I know that Germany is still a hot bed of prejudice and hate and that Austria is not far behind.

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You are expressing a sarcastic response, right????

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Yes, because you never see a swastika now days in all of Europe, and no one ever makes monkey chants at African football players in Europe, and the mess in the Balkans wasn't really in Europe, and ... oh wait...

nevermind.

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The UK has a blood filled history and yes I guess some poor innocents were executed (look at the witch trials and other stuff). Thankfully Europe has seen the error of its ways, and executions are illegal in all EU countries. Only the stupid Right Wing nutcases want to bring the death penalty back. Some people will do anything for a vote, even arrange for someone to be killed it seems.

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You should change your username to "YankeenotmovingAbroadorapparentlyanywhereelseanyt imesoonyetendlesslydebatingtherelativeandunquantif iablemeritsofonelocationoveranother".

It has a nice ring to it.

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States sponsored executions has and always will go on in Europe.
just not in public view.

Thank you ...

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Is that the shortened one? ...avatar?!?!

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I'm curious and if you've mentioned it previously, forgive me, but how old are you?

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Yes yes and yes I'm aware of all the history you mention.Its still shocking to witness the level of bigotry that exsist in America considering this is the country that trys to preach to other nations about human rights.Its a wonder anyone takes us serious especially with this joke of a government currently in power.I really wonder if Germany and all its racial issues is any worst than the climate that exist today in most southern states in America?Texas is a very good example.

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Who is still talking about nooses? :eek: I am from the south and have no clue what you are on about. There are idiots here just as there are idiots in Europe......so what! Does that put all southern Americans with a large hanging post in their back yard? Not hardly. What garbage are you reading or watching?

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Maybe he'she is talking about the Jena case, otherwise I think executions are by lethal injection or electrocution.

just my banal 2c

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The noose is symbolic of a lot of different periods of history all over the world. In Texas you can still be hanged for cattle rustling (at least on the books) but not for being black. If you are sincerely interested in the history and the symbolism of the noose in the US - why don't you do some studying and research instead of asking a forum full of relatively recent immigrants who have no point of reference on this subject?

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Do you really believe the traditional south is a safe haven of human rights for all Americans?How many years have you lived in the South?Let me say, I would not consider living in certain states in America just like I wouldn't feel safe in some areas of Austria or Germany to name a few.My family's history goes back well over 300 years in America.I like to think I know a few things about this country

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Racism is a real and concerning part of life in the US. Perhaps you could find more interest in your topics if you actually discussed the day to day reality of life for minorities in this country and left off with all of the drama.

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Hell you live in New Jersey. Now that is a racial and bigotted state if there were ever one.

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I don't know what brought this up for you today, but it was a local topic of discussion out here on the other coast (far from the South).

The print column:
Overreaction? No, the pain is too deep

On Oct. 21, three black women from Portland who were driving in Vancouver looking for property stumbled upon what looked like an effigy on a backyard tree. They e-mailed digital pictures to a mutual friend, Diana McKnight, who lives in that upscale neighborhood.

"It looks like a real black man hanging," one of the women wrote.

The homeowner insisted the display was harmless but removed the bushy Afro wig after being questioned by television reporters.

"It was obvious," McKnight says, "that it was more than just a joke."

Thursday, a special CNN report tried to explain how much emotional baggage is attached to the noose, which was used at various times to kill witches, criminals and cattle rustlers. It's one of the Tarot cards that signals a bad omen. A completed stick-figure drawing means you've lost the game of hangman.

But many blacks tend to have an especially emotionally charged reaction to this grim symbol of once-acceptable American terrorism.

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A tied-up piece of rope twisted into a noose is just one of those symbols that incites fear, intimidation or anger. And its trigger point encases the worst that blacks and whites could feel about each other.
(more)

And the blog explanation which includes the pictures:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/reneemitc..._the_salt.html

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I've lived in different regions of America.Lived in Jersey well over a decade found the place to be very progressive have been in florida now nearly 2 years.I was not born in the south but was raised in North Carolina and had spent allmost 10 years in Alabama as an adult.Trust me when I say the traditional south is a whole different mentality and struggle greatly with human evolution.I know a few brits who compare southern states to regions in the northern UK.They say neither is progressive.

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Really? More so than Missisippi? Alabama?
On what do base this daft statement?

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The black people wouldn't let her in a club

Re: THE NOOSE
 

He means me.

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1. The traditional south isn't the norm now a days is it? 2. I have lived here for my entire life. What were you hoping for a non American? 3. If you wouldn't feel safe then don't move there! Pretty simple aye? 4. The majority of my family were poor arse immigrants who happened to the south after the potato famine and often worked and lived on someone elses farm. White slaves....my grandfather was so proud of the photo of him and 2 of his siblings perched atop a mule. He told us, "we were so poor the man my daddy worked for loaned us his mules for our garden. Daddy would do the mans farming first and then was allowed to borrow the mules for his own crops."

If anything I consider myself the norm, because my family ended up in a foreign land working like dogs to make someone else a buck. I am proud of that. Far to many Americans want to dwell on their own family history. Yes it is nice to know, but it is what it is ...... the past. Keep stirring the pot, whichever side you think you are on, and racism will never truly go away.

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Sister Sarah had two mules .....

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and Clint Eastwood I might add!!!!

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the South ahhh well its the cradel of the american cival right movement .

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you kidding the south is less raciest than the north hands down . the south has a much larger black middle class than the north were most blacks are living in white built goverment housing projects . and for the record i grew up in the Chicago area

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Since 1707?

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Presume you refer to covert executions which indeed every state has but not every state still overtly executes as for better or worse think its very difficult to call however history and longevity do bring more comfort in your own skin as a people and not an endless search for identity.

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well i'm part Native american so i go back 3000 i guess . sooo let me get this straight . with all the poor Black areas of NJ . most of witch are not even given basic social services like police fire schools etc etc yet when out of a region of over 100 million people one of them places a nose in a tree it warrants someone from up in that area coming down to preach about it . ????? and of course blame them all for what one of them did .


Listen i think the nose is a horrible thing to do but there are over 300 million people in the US and millions that visit each year of coarse there will always be a few jacka*ses . but i can tell you that for as diverce a nation the US is this is few and far between .

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Listen i think the nose is a horrible thing to do but there are over 300 million people in the US and millions that visit each year of coarse there will always be a few jacka*ses . [QUOTE]

I thoroughly agree. When will people get over their fascination with plastic surgery? Most noses look perfectly fine as they are.

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Obviously english is not your native language ...
the nose is very useful ..I have found

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i'll be sure to hold on to mine then =-)

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Well they're nothing to be sniffed at :)

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many have died needlessly

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They were picked on:rofl:

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I respect very much what your family had to go through in order to make a life in this country.It certainly could not have been easy relocating to a foreign nation to "work" for people who paid horrible wages and took advantage of your father.But there is a fundlemental difference between usery and state sponsored terrorism.There have been many people who have been terrorized simply because they are Jewish or because they had a different skin color.I don't know about you but being hung from a tree and set a fire after having been castrated is quite a different horror than poor working conditions.I know it would be for a small child who had to watch helplessly while that happen to a parent.No one has a monopoly on suffering but there are sad stories that can make the strongest of us cringe.