Ptarmigan

Really, you obviously missed the numerous whines including several from the State Department, about the Brazilians, and now this is the second dimwit to be arrested for a "whining" gesture at the POE. Not discriminating? So is the US fingerprinting Frenchmen? What about Brits?

simbacat

I have never had a look in this part of the forum but I am seriously scared. Why refer to them as monkeys? Are you in any way superior or just a racist?

dunroving

More irony.

You are American, correct? Maybe I can't actually hear you, but you do seem to have been whining all the way through this thread.

CitySimon

Who is using this argument? The fact remains that both countries have the RIGHT to enforce these laws. The fact that some individuals seem to be of the opinion that this RIGHT is WRONG is unjust!

Just because a person, or a country, makes a stand for something which is not completely pro-America does not make them anti-America!


Do you not think that is a little bit over the top? Is your generalization/bigotry/prejudice/racism solely directed towards people from Brazil or is this an attitude which you share about all foreign nationalities?

supernav

If they're gonna call us Americans NAZI's for enforcing our RIGHT to have our own laws -- I'll call them monkeys as much as I want.

This all began because Brazil did NOT like our right to enforce WHATEVER law we want against WHOEVER we wish. If we want to make Brazilians dance -- we can do that. They don't like it. They don't have to come.

It was THEM who put this procedure in -- not because of some threats of American Terrorism or huge population of American illegals -- but because they were "offended".

Whatever.

Everytime our soccer team loses to Brazil, maybe we should get "offended" and deport a Brazilian. We can play the immature game too ya know.

-= nav =-

supernav

and when did Brazil become a RACE btw?

-= nav =-

Pimpbot

You can do that. But you look like an ignorant prick!.

dunroving

- yes, that's pretty obvious.

Franklin

It is pretty obvious that the US has imposed checking on all incoming foreigners, so it is not discriminating against any particular race or country. Brazil has singled out foreigners from the USA, treating the matter in a tit-for-tat fashion. The USA is defending itself from terrorists who don't come with a sticker stating they are terrorists. Whereever there is a weak link the terrorists will seek to find that weak link and exploit it. If the USA granted any country's citizens special exemption status this would create lots of problems.

The USA is at war.

The UK has imposed HUGE restrictions when it was at war, most recently with respect to the IRA where spying of citizens was routine, where internment was used (prisonment without trial, denial of jury trial).

David Blunkett, the Home Secretary, is now talking about using draconian legal acts against citizens thought to be involved in gang and drug leaders/organized crime including trial without juries and a lowering of probable cause standards for certain British citizens.

Right at this moment, citizens are being held without charge or trial at Belmarsh prison because the home secretary, David Blunkett, suspects them to be international terrorists.

When society is under threat the government of the society under threat will probably take unusual steps such as delays at POEs, x-raying of even shoes. Taking pictures, and fingerprints - all without probable cause.

When peace returns such extreme acts will be rescinded and foreign visitors to the USA will not face delays at POEs.

dunroving

Well said, I agree. My comment was maybe too obtuse for its own good. I wasn't referring to the US's security measures.

CalgaryAMC

Nationals of visa waiver countries are exempt from the fingerprinting routine.

doctor scrumpy

I assume you will be deporting Mexicans after they stuffed ya 4-0 in the Olympic Qualifiers then ?

So that is football & baseball they have knocked you out of the Olympics in this year LMAO

doctor scrumpy

Strangely enough we were never given any help from the US in fighting this war, far from it the US government sheltered ira terrorists & allowed the open funding of the scum by irish-americans through noraid.

The 'draconian' measures used were in no way as bad as the ones being employed by the US against suspected al qaeda prisoners held in Cuba.

The US is at war with the very people it helped set up, fund & supply with weapons, if anyone wanted to fight the real backers of terror worldwide they could do worse than start with the Whitehouse.

Franklin

Yeah, as the saying goes, "There is always an exception to the general rule, and an exception to the exception." But it seems to me that the waiver you refer to is neutral in the sense that it is applied to citizens of visa waiver countries. However, this exception can change overnight, i.e. be withdrawn. The USA is at war. GC holders should note that their status is not invulnerable to change; Congress can enact legislation that can neuter or limit GC status, e.g. with respect to GC holders from a specific country.

Also, if the US security services decide there are serious questions about a GC holder, and they can find a reason to deport, that GC holder can be deported (albeit with a hearing if so demanded). In contrast this would be much harder to do to a USC; yes US citizens can be extradited to face a court in another country where an extradition treaty is operative.

In addition, and this is a very important point, GC holders undergo a criminal check (sometimes called an FBI check). For some GC holders this could present a problem. Clean record now, but this could change before applying for US citizenship and lead to hmmmm, deportation problems! A DUI or two and “Pow, gazzap�, the GC holder could find themselves on the deportation road whereas if the GC holder had not applied for US citizenship the DUI conviction (or two) might have stayed under the radar to the extent the GC holder was not subject to deportation proceedings. Those that like to drink or engage in risky pursuits might want to think about that. Personally, I just drink tea (and darn coffee, but trying to cut back) and don't even smoke or drive at fast speeds. But all the same, for those that gain USC this issue is rendered moot - albeit there is an exception to the general rule ... there nearly always is!

Patrick

With who exactly? They have occupied both Iraq and Afghanistan but they are not at war with anyone.

There have been terrorist attacks against the US before but Bush is the only one claiming to be a war president when in truth he is a president who starts wars.

I understand the knee jerk reaction and paranoia that Bush has put out, it makes him look good and americans for the most part don't care about foreign policy so who cares if they piss off a few foreigners! Everything will correct itself eventually and we will back to normality.

Patrick