Judge Rejects School Board Evolution Stand
 

"...A U.S. judge on Thursday ordered a Georgia school district to remove stickers challenging the theory of evolution from its textbooks on the grounds that they violated the U.S. Constitution....."

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...ddlyEnoughNews

Anyone know of other weird things local school districts get up to?

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they tried to get around it by calling it intelligent design or something like that.

It's just stupid. allow the schools to teach broad based Religious Education and have done with it.

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That's the problem, they don't though do they....

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intelligent design is a counter theory to evolution which essentially is:

'Its all really complicated so it couldnt possibly have been created without a guiding hand from some super intelligent external agent.'

Its balls. This is a backdoor approach to pushing biblical literalism down the minds of children. Thank god for the Federal bench(irony) just shame the federalist society and Bushco/Chimpoleon are busying trying to gut it in favor of religous hacks in robes. :mad:

http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/images/design.jpg

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It's about time that the U.S. Constitution was put to good use.

I watched a show on all this BS and it infuriated me. They wanted balance in the schools yet wanted to confuse young minds by implying that the evidence of evolution is "not a fact."

So where are the stickers in the bible??

CAUTION: This textbook contains material on creationism, god and the word of a man called christ. Creationism, god and the word of christ is hearsay, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things and the events discussed herein. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered. Due to the graphic nature of the atrocities out lined, parental guidance is advised.

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WOW that's a great idea!! i'm not even reading the article , it's just plain loopy :eek: thank god my kids have an athiest like me to set them straight! :p


:zzz: just to clarify i do not push my views on my children but am letting them attend religious function at boy scouts even churches, they'll eventually make up their own minds as to what they believe.....but isn't that the sad irony? seems to me the atheists are more forgiving and open minded than the actual zelots who tell you you're going to Hell if you don't do it their way.... :rolleyes:

it's a World gone Maaaaaad!! :eek:

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But don't forget to teach them the ways of the heathens that are spiritually enlightened else you would be a bigot ;)

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Love it :D

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Please consider this question on the level of a pub discussion/argument after a few ... what do you understand by the term "evolution". :beer:

Let's see if you can, after a few beers, jerry out something that makes good sense! I am on alcohol free ice-t, but will box fair and square.

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Not wanting to be drawn into a pointless religious debate, evolution to me is the adaptive nature of organisms which change to suit their surroundings and the fact that spontaneous procreation is impossible. Living organisms come from other living organisms and these change/mutate/evolve over time.

Millions of years from now, life forms on this planet will be very different from what it is now and what it was before.

I'll have a Jack and Coke and packet of crisps please :beer:

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Unfortunately the clowns that object to the teaching of evolution completely misunderstand basic scientific terminology - most scientific ideas are labelled a "theory", and subject to potential (scientific) counter argument, but that does not alter their status as established facts - e.g. atomic/ molecular theory, Einstein's theory of relativity, etc.

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Here's your Jack and Coke and packet of crisps ... salt 'n vinegar do?

What laws dictate "the adaptive nature of organisms"? Will they "be very different from what is now and what it was before"?

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My favorite :D
The environmental surroundings are the laws. Should an environmental change occur, organisms adapt to the new habitat, therefore, "evolving" into a new species. An old example, but in Kenya, the common giraffe and the reticulated giraffe originated from the same species. Generations of separation by the Tana River, caused the two groups to become a seperate species.

And if I understand your second question correctly (will the laws be very different from what is now and what it was before), history shows that certain natural disasters can cause environmental changes and evolution has occurred from such. It is possible that a dramatic natural disaster in the future could cause another evolutionary shift.

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I'm off to watch The Village, I'll follow up on this in the morning in between work.

Night all.

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Its as bad as the schools wanting to teach abstinence..... :rolleyes:

You really have to be careful of what is being said or taught to your kids.....

And love the stickers in the bible bit...will have to tell hubby, he'll love it as well.

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Oh bad luck thats a couple of hours wasted then!

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yeah saw the reviews, they said the movie was crap! don't go for the scary stuff myself.....watch meet the fockers that was a good giggle ...you gotta love Ben Stiller! :D

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now that's an odd movie that almost follows the theme...

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yeah , if only we could make it happen! ;)
as for abstinence that's a whole other thread, one on which I've commented on before...but let me ask you this....if they practice abstinence, and sex is a sin of the flesh...why oh why are there so bloody many of them?!?!? :rolleyes: :p

oh yeah, let me answer my own question....Cos abstinence is moot and the only thing a horny teenager( actually horny adult for that matter :p ) really needs is a condom! :rolleyes: :D

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weren't that bad, but given the theme for twists in his previous movies, it gave it away in this one, too early I thought...but it was still fun :)

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immaculate ain't they... :D

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Oi you!! reviews belong in my movie thread!! :p

Is it my imagination bob or do i have more smilies?? :p ;) :D :beer:

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You write that "[t]he environmental surroundings are the laws". What governs these "laws"?

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Chaos theory, not a god ;)

Or more to the point, the laws of physics.

Our environment is controlled by the elements surrounding us. Gravity, air pressure heat, etc. Those that fell asleep in Physics may have missed all the details of how such things are governed.

You questioning is of a familiar kind sir and I see your conclusion before the end. I do not subscribe to that same assumption.

Children all across the world fall asleep on christmas eve dreaming of a man in a red suit to deliver their christmas gifts. Years on, they gain new knowledge and realize the truth of it all.

Man has yet to awaken from his religious slumber. But it is not my right to interrupt a dream. That would be rude. We all have dreams, and they are very personal :D

Now I'm rambling, so I'm off to bed. Sweet dreams.

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Agreed, not as good as his other movies. Nice twist at the end though, but it still didn't make up for the rest of the movie.

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Aye, I guess :p
and yeah, it would appear there's more smilies...

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You should be working!

First one theory ... now we are on nth theory ... Chaos theory. I respect that you say there is no god. At least you are not lukewarm on the issue! You are a programmer of sorts, but what of the origin of the code that governs the laws that govern our world, the value of absolute zero. Why does a gas contract at a certain rate as it cools? Why that value? Another value could have worked, would have worked, sure things would be a bit different, but absolute zero has a certain value, but it could have been another value. But it is one value. Like poles repel and unlike attract - why not the other way around? Why not? Why that way?

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I understand your comments but for me personally, I see no logic in a supernatural explanation to these laws.

Every day around us these laws are at work, keeping the planet turning, allowing birds to fly, plants to grow and for me to continue my existence.

The fact that natural law controls the way molecules perform (your gas questions) and the way in which elements are formed is a wondrous thing. But again, I see no supernatural intervention.

As free thinking mammals, we have a higher intelligence than any other creature (that we know of) and therefore we question many things around us. We look for answers where there are none and attempt to explain the unexplainable. We attribute values to actions (E=MC2) and then sit back in wonder at the mathematical layout of the Universe. Why? For it was us that placed this formula label on it. It is only miraculous because we label it to be.

Pythagoras provides equations on triangles in school and we merely sit there bored waiting for the lunch bell. But when we look at the math of the Universe, we stop and question our existence. Why? The Universe exists, it always has. Now we come along and add labels to its wonder and question its origin.

When I was young, I tried so hard to believe a hand was at the controls of life and the Universe but it just didn't seem possible. Too many explanations were lost in the "miraculous" or the explained away, glossed over by supernatural means. But magic does not exist. Magic is an illusion, a trick of the eye and mind.

As for the poles, beware, the reversal is soon to occur and man will again be faced with a complex issue due to his love of labels.