Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
Aug 29th 2005, 6:01 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
Originally Posted by Partystar
Who would do all the monkey work that they are currently doing?!?!?! Not many 'legals' would take it on!
Sorry - NO. Either bring them over via paperwork and approval (just as I had to endure) and give them a real place in society - or send them home. I'm with the minutemen. There should be no grey area - no "I'll hire you and pay you $2 an hour to clean my roof". Either come over via legit legislation or piss off.
And whoever the idiot was with the comment "You don't like anyone who isn't you" - **** off. Read my post, argue with intelligent repartee or don't bother replying at all.
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Aug 29th 2005, 6:03 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
Originally Posted by fatbrit
Wages would rise, though.
Aug 29th 2005, 6:03 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
Originally Posted by DonnaElvira
I wonder how many USCs would be prepared to pick produce in the heat of California's Central Valley, or do similarly awful jobs, even if the wages were higher.
Every year, quite a number die on the job...
Every year, quite a number die on the job...
They would have rights and know their rights. The employers of the undocumented know that there are two great advantages: low wages and unlikely to demand rights or sue for them. In addition, the government chooses not to prosecute employers.
Surprisingly enough, there is actually a visa for temporary farm workers. In true US immigration style, it's so complicated and bureaucratic that almost nobody bothers with it!
Aug 29th 2005, 6:04 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
Originally Posted by WarriorLife
...And if you do - then you are an idiot, and it's people like you with your "love thy neighbor" attitudes that let these people exist here in the US...
I blame that Jesus guy. All that shit about treating others as you would be treated, loving thy f***ing neighbor and turning the other cheek... sounds like some kind of liberal Jewish commie fag manifesto to me!
Aug 29th 2005, 6:07 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
Um.... more like if these people got about 1/4 of the way up the side of Mount Everest, dodging thirst, hunger, police, armed citizenry, and poisonous insects and snakes along the way. To name a few.
They cannot make the money that most workers that emigrate legally from "first world" nations can make. HTF is that stealing your glory?
Or is it simply the right to reside here that's the big prize? in that case many "first worlders" would happily cede Everest to the illegals and piss off back home, if the money and opportunity wasn't here.
They cannot make the money that most workers that emigrate legally from "first world" nations can make. HTF is that stealing your glory?
Or is it simply the right to reside here that's the big prize? in that case many "first worlders" would happily cede Everest to the illegals and piss off back home, if the money and opportunity wasn't here.
Aug 29th 2005, 6:07 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
Originally Posted by Partystar
Yep, I do not doubt that. It would probably force the government to take a stronger stand against unemployment, as they'll be plenty more jobs to go around & a lot of problems if the positions don't get filled.
Aug 29th 2005, 6:09 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
Originally Posted by WarriorLife
...argue with intelligent repartee or don't bother replying at all.
Talking of which, I've never quite understood why making a dick of yourself in a public place in front of a bunch of strangers holds such appeal to you WL, but I guess we all get our kicks in different ways.
Aug 29th 2005, 6:09 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
Originally Posted by WarriorLife
And whoever the idiot was with the comment "You don't like anyone who isn't you" - **** off. Read my post, argue with intelligent repartee or don't bother replying at all.
Aug 29th 2005, 6:09 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
Originally Posted by fatbrit
They would have rights and know their rights. The employers of the undocumented know that there are two great advantages: low wages and unlikely to demand rights or sue for them. In addition, the government chooses not to prosecute employers.
Surprisingly enough, there is actually a visa for temporary farm workers. In true US immigration style, it's so complicated and bureaucratic that almost nobody bothers with it!
Surprisingly enough, there is actually a visa for temporary farm workers. In true US immigration style, it's so complicated and bureaucratic that almost nobody bothers with it!
Ultimately, this problem is only going to be solved through significant improvements in living conditions and wages in these people's own countries - so they would have little to gain by moving here. But I doubt that this is going to happen in my own lifetime, so in the meantime, the US will have to find a way of allowing them to work here legitimately.
Aug 29th 2005, 6:10 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
Originally Posted by WarriorLife
So judging by the jokes about picking fruit, mowing lawns and monkey work...I guess the consensus here is exploitation is good. Bring these people over and take advantage of their desperation by giving them the crap jobs that idle Americans don't want to take.
Sorry - NO. Either bring them over via paperwork and approval (just as I had to endure) and give them a real place in society - or send them home. I'm with the minutemen. There should be no grey area - no "I'll hire you and pay you $2 an hour to clean my roof". Either come over via legit legislation or piss off. But all these idiot hispanics who are forcing everyone else to have to learn spanish just to survive in the economy (because they don't have the means to learn English!!) should be hung, drawn and quartered.
And whoever the idiot was with the comment "You don't like anyone who isn't you" - **** off. Read my post, argue with intelligent repartee or don't bother replying at all.
Sorry - NO. Either bring them over via paperwork and approval (just as I had to endure) and give them a real place in society - or send them home. I'm with the minutemen. There should be no grey area - no "I'll hire you and pay you $2 an hour to clean my roof". Either come over via legit legislation or piss off. But all these idiot hispanics who are forcing everyone else to have to learn spanish just to survive in the economy (because they don't have the means to learn English!!) should be hung, drawn and quartered.
And whoever the idiot was with the comment "You don't like anyone who isn't you" - **** off. Read my post, argue with intelligent repartee or don't bother replying at all.
Why are the hispanics 'idiots' - far from it if they are exploiting the situation.
Not sure that your original post deserves or merits any intelligent repartee as it contains none. It is little more than a rant of extreme views and put forth no arguements. This is followed up by name calling and uncessary swearing.
So toss in a time bomb post and enjoy watching us pull it apart as we have with all your previous troll like posts.
Aug 29th 2005, 6:11 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
Originally Posted by WarriorLife
So judging by the jokes about picking fruit, mowing lawns and monkey work...I guess the consensus here is exploitation is good. Bring these people over and take advantage of their desperation by giving them the crap jobs that idle Americans don't want to take.
Sorry - NO. Either bring them over via paperwork and approval (just as I had to endure) and give them a real place in society - or send them home. I'm with the minutemen. There should be no grey area - no "I'll hire you and pay you $2 an hour to clean my roof". Either come over via legit legislation or piss off. But all these idiot hispanics who are forcing everyone else to have to learn spanish just to survive in the economy (because they don't have the means to learn English!!) should be hung, drawn and quartered.
And whoever the idiot was with the comment "You don't like anyone who isn't you" - **** off. Read my post, argue with intelligent repartee or don't bother replying at all.
Sorry - NO. Either bring them over via paperwork and approval (just as I had to endure) and give them a real place in society - or send them home. I'm with the minutemen. There should be no grey area - no "I'll hire you and pay you $2 an hour to clean my roof". Either come over via legit legislation or piss off. But all these idiot hispanics who are forcing everyone else to have to learn spanish just to survive in the economy (because they don't have the means to learn English!!) should be hung, drawn and quartered.
And whoever the idiot was with the comment "You don't like anyone who isn't you" - **** off. Read my post, argue with intelligent repartee or don't bother replying at all.
I totally agree that everyone should be legal, I did it, it was hard & annoying, but I did, now it's just the long wait for processing. I also agree that I shouldn't have to learn Spanish to talk to people, shop somewhere, have dinner or have to sit there & hear people talking in another language, I actually think it's a bit rude. I would never live in a country if I didn't speak the language, but that's just me.
Aug 29th 2005, 6:12 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
How many illiegal immigrants do you know? And how many do you think are working high profile jobs making big bucks and are living the damn high life??? 
Aug 29th 2005, 6:14 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
Originally Posted by AmerLisa
How many illiegal immigrants do you know? And how many do you think are working high profile jobs making big bucks and are living the damn high life???
Aug 29th 2005, 6:15 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
Originally Posted by Partystar
Who said I didn't agree with you? I was just asking a question that has often popped up in conversations that we've had about the matter in question. Don't be so defensive, everyone has a right to their own opinion, don't take things too personally.
I totally agree that everyone should be legal, I did it, it was hard & annoying, but I did, now it's just the long wait for processing. I also agree that I shouldn't have to learn Spanish to talk to people, shop somewhere, have dinner or have to sit there & hear people talking in another language, I actually think it's a bit rude. I would never live in a country if I didn't speak the language, but that's just me.
I totally agree that everyone should be legal, I did it, it was hard & annoying, but I did, now it's just the long wait for processing. I also agree that I shouldn't have to learn Spanish to talk to people, shop somewhere, have dinner or have to sit there & hear people talking in another language, I actually think it's a bit rude. I would never live in a country if I didn't speak the language, but that's just me.
Aug 29th 2005, 6:17 am
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Re: Illegal Workers: My Two Cents
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to cry "Troll". Oh, go away you ex-teacher's pet.
So you illegally sneak into a house and tell the owner he needs to start speaking your language because you are too poor to learn English. You avoid all the expense and trauma of immigration. You earn cash in hand money without taxes or deductions.
Sorry, I'm not buying it. This world is full of short-cutters, cheapskates and criminals who depend on pillars of strength like me to pick up their slack and get them through life.
If you are happy to do this, then fine. I'm taking matters into my own hands.
So you illegally sneak into a house and tell the owner he needs to start speaking your language because you are too poor to learn English. You avoid all the expense and trauma of immigration. You earn cash in hand money without taxes or deductions.
Sorry, I'm not buying it. This world is full of short-cutters, cheapskates and criminals who depend on pillars of strength like me to pick up their slack and get them through life.
If you are happy to do this, then fine. I'm taking matters into my own hands.
