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-   -   How does the school system work? (https://britishexpats.com/forum/usa-57/how-does-school-system-work-822209/)

Weeze Jan 21st 2014 12:19 am
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Originally Posted by FavFi (Post 11087716)
thanks MarylandNed and ScousePete! Just trying to determine if all the private schools are religious in Houston…seems that way to me! Cheers, Fi.
No they aren't.

Weeze Jan 21st 2014 12:23 am
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad (Post 11088557)
I agree. According to that, US is lagging the UK in everything, but looking at what my 7th grader is learning, he is waaaay ahead of where I was at that age in everything (except handwriting:frown::unsure:)
I was in the trendy year at school where they stopped teaching grammar rules. It was the same year where they taught us to chant tables answers rather than tables (9,18,27). As a result I had to use google for the 5 year olds homework because I didn't know what the grammatical terms ment.

AmerLisa Jan 21st 2014 2:22 am
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Originally Posted by Weeze (Post 11089025)
I was in the trendy year at school where they stopped teaching grammar rules. It was the same year where they taught us to chant tables answers rather than tables (9,18,27). As a result I had to use google for the 5 year olds homework because I didn't know what the grammatical terms ment.
And the years where phonics weren't taught but whole language.

AmerLisa Jan 21st 2014 2:25 am
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Originally Posted by Bob (Post 11088515)
No, but it shows statistically that they are both shit, but the US is marginally pipping the lead as a nation in the slide of education.

Now we all know there are going to be locations where some schools are going to be world class here, but just as many that aren't...but as there's no national set curriculum, someone living in a poorer neighbourhood is going to be massively more hindered in reaching their potential than a kid living with well off parents in a great part of town, just considering educational potential.
National curriculum is all well and good, but that does not mean a child is going to learn the same way another child learns. Poor social economic areas are usually going to do the worst.

Stats are all well and good, but they never tell the real story.

Pulaski Jan 21st 2014 2:34 am
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Originally Posted by AmerLisa (Post 11089229)
National curriculum is all well and good, but that does not mean a child is going to learn the same way another child learns. Poor social economic areas are usually going to do the worst. .....
And they always will. A large percentage of the lowest achievers don't even seem to understand why they are low achievers, and that without support and encouragement their children will also be low achievers. As often as not, both parents and children see education as pointless because any one item learned at school is likely irrelevant in adulthood (I enjoyed chemistry, but still haven't found a use for my knowledge of the Haber process! :rolleyes:), but that a broad K-12 education is the foundation for most successful careers and occupations. Without that you're probable sçrewed and you're another generation condemned to poverty. :unsure:,

kins Jan 21st 2014 2:58 pm
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Originally Posted by Casual Observer (Post 11088335)
High School graduation rate USA 77% UK 91%
How do you define someone as having 'graduated' UK high school though? Stayed till 16? Stayed till 18? Got 5 GCSEs?

steveq Jan 21st 2014 9:05 pm
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Originally Posted by AmerLisa (Post 11089218)
And the years where phonics weren't taught but whole language.
....and something called ITA, which allegedly left kids with a southern (english) accent)

steveq Jan 21st 2014 9:07 pm
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11089249)
As often as not, both parents and children see education as pointless because any one item learned at school is likely irrelevant in adulthood
Precisely. That, and teachers saying, "Oh they're poor, what do you expect ?" Bring back the grammar school system, the greatest tool for social mobility the UK ever invented.

Pulaski Jan 21st 2014 11:00 pm
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Originally Posted by steveq (Post 11090809)
.... Bring back the grammar school system, the greatest tool for social mobility the UK ever invented.
. :thumbsup:

SultanOfSwing Jan 22nd 2014 1:10 am
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Originally Posted by Casual Observer (Post 11088335)
Global Math Ranking USA 31st UK 29th

Global Science Ranking USA23rd UK 16th
I understand the point you're trying to make, but honestly - when you have to illustrate it by showing that (irrespective of the US's positions) the UK is still only 29th in mathematics and 16th in science, honestly I'd not have bothered myself.

Utterly woeful for both countries, who should be in the top 3 (along with Germany) in both.

steveq Jan 22nd 2014 1:48 am
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11091144)
I understand the point you're trying to make, but honestly - when you have to illustrate it by showing that (irrespective of the US's positions) the UK is still only 29th in mathematics and 16th in science, honestly I'd not have bothered myself.

Utterly woeful for both countries, who should be in the top 3 (along with Germany) in both.
And I'd like to compare the cohorts who are actually participating in PISA. We know the Chinese etc load the rankings by their selected best. What do we do ?

SultanOfSwing Jan 22nd 2014 1:51 am
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Originally Posted by steveq (Post 11091222)
And I'd like to compare the cohorts who are actually participating in PISA. We know the Chinese etc load the rankings by their selected best. What do we do ?
I wish I had the answers but it's still depressing to see it in print.

What did we do in the early 1900s when the US, UK and Germany basically ruled the sciences? Whatever it was, that's the answer, I suppose :D

Pulaski Jan 22nd 2014 1:55 am
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11091144)
I understand the point you're trying to make, but honestly - when you have to illustrate it by showing that (irrespective of the US's positions) the UK is still only 29th in mathematics and 16th in science, honestly I'd not have bothered myself.

Utterly woeful for both countries, who should be in the top 3 (along with Germany) in both.
It would be a nice bragging point, but IMO nothing more. It is how the top, say, 20% fair in each subject/ discipline that would make a difference. Not everyone can be a multilingual Nobel prize winning Olympic gold medal athlete, but nurturing those with language, science, and sporting abilities (as well as other areas) would be most beneficial in any/ every country. :nod:

SultanOfSwing Jan 22nd 2014 1:58 am
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11091233)
It would be a nice bragging point, but IMO nothing more. It is how the top, say, 20% fair in each subject/ discipline that would make a difference. Not everyone can be a multilingual Nobel prize winning Olympic gold medal athlete, but nurturing those with language, science, and sporting abilities (as well as other areas) would be most beneficial in any/ every country. :nod:
Doing that would essentially level the playing field, which would be better in the long run since global science output would rise as a whole.

Eradicating religions and all other forms of non-evidence based living would certainly be a step in the right direction :nod:

Oh well, at least the UK still produces the best musicians, with the US a close second :lol:

Casual Observer Jan 22nd 2014 12:08 pm
Re: How does the school system work?
 
Yes nothing like promoting science. We need more nuclear weapons, drugs like thalidomide, oil spills in the gulf, and all those good things :p

There have been no good bands since Led Zeplin btw :D


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