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Old Aug 4th 2008, 11:03 am
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Originally Posted by fatbrit
Wish they'd get some balls like the French and block a few streets and throw a few eggs occasionally. Pansies, the bloody lot of you.
If they throw the eggs then what will they do for quiche???
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Originally Posted by Elvira
I thought you was one of them...
Native born, Elvira! The naturalized is a different breed.
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Old Aug 4th 2008, 11:07 am
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Originally Posted by Tracym
This doesn't sound like lower pay is ok with them:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...57C0A964958260

"All told, Manhattan physicians must be willing to accept payments for Medicare patients that are 50 percent to 60 percent less for some common types of office visits and surgical procedures..."

"As a result, a number of doctors in high-cost places said in interviews that they had decided to refuse new Medicare patients"

"Other doctors say they are changing jobs or retiring early"
That is because malpractice insurance in New York and Florida is extremely high as well as other costs. For example, an OB in New York pays nearly $300,000 per year for malpractice insurance and an OB in a state such as Minnesota pays only about $20,000. When malpractice insurance started to significantly rise in the late 1990s, some doctors were seeing increases of $20,000 a year in malpractive insurance per year with very little being offset by increased medicare payments. That is why many doctors will accept a fixed salary (even if it is lower) since on an average they already lost about 10% in real salary over the past 10 years. Probably New York and Flordia doctors lost significantly more than 10%.

Then the government turns around and says the doctor has to accept 50% less for certain precdures and office visits. If that that doctor previously had $500,000 in expenses and $700,000 (mostly from medicare) in total revenue, those cuts may reduce his revenue down to $550,000 leaving him very little left over for himself.

So if the government will pick up the costs of the doctors office (including malpractice insurance), many doctors will be quite happy.

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Old Aug 4th 2008, 11:16 am
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Native born, Elvira! The naturalized is a different breed.
Mongrel!
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Old Aug 4th 2008, 11:17 am
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Originally Posted by Marocco
Unfortunately the selfish doctors and nurses want to get paid in return for their work.
You can't possibly think the docs/nurses pay even comes into it. More like, the hospital administration wanted the bed to make more money.
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Originally Posted by fatbrit
If we're reforming health care, why should the pharmas escape?

Used to subcontract to several pharmas years ago. Went skiing with them, ate at the best restaurants in town instead of working, got leather briefcases and fancy pen sets galore. Pllaces are swimming with money -- our bloody money.
If they reformed the entire thing, perhaps they wouldn't. But not likely anytime soon.

But my point was just an example in response to the question - where else would doctors go.
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If they reformed the entire thing, perhaps they wouldn't. But not likely anytime soon.

But my point was just an example in response to the question - where else would doctors go.
Other countries?
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Originally Posted by Ozzidoc
Other countries?
Germany?
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Originally Posted by Boiler
Germany?
I was thinking Australia, Canada, NZ....
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Originally Posted by Ozzidoc
I was thinking Australia, Canada, NZ....
Good point.

There is a difference between flight attendants and doctors.

Nothing wrong with being a flight attendant of course, sounds like a good job in many ways - but it doesn't require years and years of degrees and training.

I don't think a professional that invested that many years of his life in the training is going to easily accept a huge pay cut.
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Are there any charities I can donate too that support health care for illegal immigrants?
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Old Aug 5th 2008, 12:33 am
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There are a few immigration advocacy groups that dabble in health care information (not necessarily providers), but you could just as easily spend money for a bunch of campaign buttons as you could medical care.

In many cities, there is a network of low income and immigrant health care providers. Some get grants some operate independently.

Here's a good story about one in DC:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072802580.html

You may want to contact the "Immigrant Welcome Center" in Indianapolis. They might have some good contacts. These articles note they do some assistance programs including health care.

http://www.insideindianabusiness.com...m.asp?ID=27002
http://www.allbusiness.com/governmen...0583644-1.html
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Originally Posted by Ozzidoc
I was thinking Australia, Canada, NZ....
Or they could stay in India and Pakistan where theyre actually needed
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Originally Posted by paul1968mcr
Are there any charities I can donate too that support health care for illegal immigrants?
You already do -- it's called taxes.

But then you're already paying for Walmart's employees, anyway.
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Old Aug 5th 2008, 1:57 am
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Are there any charities I can donate too that support health care for illegal immigrants?

You want to donate more than you already do in taxes? You're a good man, Charlie Brown.
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