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Has anyone filled a FBAR or a TD F 90-22.1

Old Sep 13th 2012, 3:50 pm
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Hi everyone,

Just to let you know that the British expats wiki on taxes is fantastic!
I was able to fill in my 1040 and 2555. I will be going to the British embassy next week to finally file it. I had to do about 2 weeks research but I believe with the aide of British guy's sample foms I think I have cracked it!.
My question is if I own an apartment with a mortgage, do I have to fill out a FBAR to declare that the money over exceeding $10.000 which was put into my account to pay for the property?
My husband believes since it is a mortgage and it is a minus amount and was probably only a plus to purchase the property, perhaps I wouldn't have to declare it.
We rent out the property now and I have added any profit to the 1040 and 2555 but in reading many tax sites it saids I should report all financial accounts holding over $10.000

Please could you post some advice any advice will do. I feel that I am almost completely legal if you know what I mean
Thanks again EXPATS
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Originally Posted by porcupinejo View Post
Hi everyone,

Just to let you know that the British expats wiki on taxes is fantastic!
I was able to fill in my 1040 and 2555. I will be going to the British embassy next week to finally file it. I had to do about 2 weeks research but I believe with the aide of British guy's sample foms I think I have cracked it!.
My question is if I own an apartment with a mortgage, do I have to fill out a FBAR to declare that the money over exceeding $10.000 which was put into my account to pay for the property?
My husband believes since it is a mortgage and it is a minus amount and was probably only a plus to purchase the property, perhaps I wouldn't have to declare it.
We rent out the property now and I have added any profit to the 1040 and 2555 but in reading many tax sites it saids I should report all financial accounts holding over $10.000

Please could you post some advice any advice will do. I feel that I am almost completely legal if you know what I mean
Thanks again EXPATS
Just to be clear you must declare all worldwide accounts totalling over $10K during the calendar year. Therefore if the total of all your accounts exceeds $10K for 1 day during the year...all accounts must be declared.

http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-...quirements#FR2
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Old Sep 14th 2012, 1:54 am
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From what it sounds like (sorry, your note was a tad confusing to me), you bought an apartment with a mortgage (overseas?). The mortgage was "put into your account" and then you used that account to buy the house? Or was the mortgage given and then paid directly (bank-to-bank) to the sellers account? Put it this way, after they put the money "into your account" could you have done a runner with that money? Was it really your account with full authority to do whatever with the cash? Or was it a bank->seller payment that never really touched your account?

Basically, if you have a bank account with signing authority, i.e. the authority to write a check or conduct a wire, and that account has >$10,000 in it, then you need to report. If the mortgage went from the bank's account directly to the seller's account, and you never had the ability to draw on that money from your own account, then it doesn't sound like you would have had the signing authority necessary (it was the bank's account, not your account).

If you have a foreign bank account (or multiple bank accounts) that are > $10,000 USD at any time during the year, even if only for a day, you need to report ALL foreign bank accounts that you own. It doesn't 'even out' simply because you have a negative balance on a mortgage or a credit card or a loan--it's a hard line that if you go over for any reason, you need to report. It's quite annoying.
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Old Sep 14th 2012, 8:30 am
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Default Re: Has anyone filled a FBAR or a TD F 90-22.1

Thanks for your reply.
That clears up the rule for the mortgage. It was from bank to bank.
The information that I found was very confusing.

Thanks again

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Old Sep 14th 2012, 12:00 pm
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I am confused. What is your citizenship, where do you live and where is the flat, the mortgage and your accounts.

Originally Posted by porcupinejo View Post
I will be going to the British embassy next week to finally file it.
I don't understand this. If you are in the US you file with the IRS. the British embassy has nothing to do with US taxes. If you are a US citizen in the UK you can file with the US Embassy I believe.

My question is if I own an apartment with a mortgage, do I have to fill out a FBAR to declare that the money over exceeding $10.000 which was put into my account to pay for the property?
If that account was a foreign (non-US) account then Yes! What sort of mortgage do you have? Is it an off set mortgage or an endowment mortgage or something else?

We rent out the property now and I have added any profit to the 1040 and 2555 but in reading many tax sites it saids I should report all financial accounts holding over $10.000
Where are you living? If you live in the USA you cannot use the FEIE. If you are a US citizen in the UK you can use the FEIE, but rental income is not earned income (30% of it could be in some circumstances, but it sounds as if those won't apply in your case), so you don't include it on 2555. You mention a husband. What is his citizenship? If you are a US citizen married to a UK citizen and living in the UK I would recommend that you file "married filing separately" so that he is kept out of any relationship with the IRS.

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