Gross50

Just read an account of how Guantanamo Bay is run. Despicable in this day and age. No wonder there is so much violence targetted against americans


Mirror story


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews...name_page.html

Manc

eh?

Bush/Cheney 2004 is in your sig
and you have 'God Bless America" under your av.

what gives?

Manc

Prisoners who had never seen an "unveiled" woman before would be forced to watch as the hookers touched their own naked bodies

cruelty?

Webbie

The sig and his motto confused me as well. Are Twat/Chaingang trying some sort of reverse psychology ?

Muswell Hill

I would like to volunteer as an 'observer' to investigate this obvious cruelty.

Gross50

Whats up manc1976

Just bcause I support Bush doesnt mean I agree to everything he does.

You've got to learn to think outside the web/net.

God bless the queen too.

Manc

fair enough I guess.

Lion in Winter

I know that this is an annoying comment to make, but it seems to me that the number of violent incidents around the world has only increased after the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Not that the holding of people for in cages for two years without charges or trial in Guantanamo is solely responsible for this, of course, but it does make one wonder whether Tony, Georgie etc. are going about this the right way. There are separate components to all this: 1) Control over strategic territory, particularly if it hold petroleum 2) Revenge - they killed us so we have to kill them (got to find "them" first though) 3) Policies which will improve the conditions which create breeding grounds for murderous acts. Seems like we are working on 1 & 2, but not 3. Just a thought.

Manc

you know, the sad thing is. 9/11 wasn't that special in the grand scheme of things.
There have only been like 10 days of complete global world peace since the end of World war 2.
9/11 was just another day, another bloodbath.
as was yesterday in Spain.

Patrick

If you look at the all the terrorist campaigns throughout the world the only ones that have ever been settled have been done through negotiation and not bloodshed - Israel - no peace - no pow-wow, NI - peace - pow wow.

Invading countries that have nothing to do with 9/11 on false pretenses can only heighten the situation and not lessen it.

Patrick

Lion in Winter

Exactly.

doctor scrumpy

9-11 is looking more & more like the excuse that bush needed to invade other nations.

Would I be cynical enough to believe he allowed 9-11 to happen so he could steal Iraq's oil ?

Manc

The thing is, The republic of Ireland has dropped the rights to NI from their constitution so they don't want NI anyways.

NC Penguin

Strangely enough, there is are a number of individuals and organizations that believe that FD Roosevelt did know about the attack on Pearl Harbor in advance !

See-
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/w...arlharbor.html

http://www.independent.org/archive/pearlharbor.html

Lion in Winter

I don't believe I said that Guantanamo Bay was the cause of the 9/11 attacks, although it is pretty clear that it has subsequently caused a fair bit of resentment and anger and can be added to a heap of policies and actions that have caused hatred of the U.S., both fanatical and murderous, and "normal" political hatred, around the world. Murderous actions have causes, and this is not to justify the actions but to say that it is the causes that must be sought out and remedied or the murders will go on. What causes young men and women to sign up in droves for "terrorist schools" and to be suicide bombers? It is not being a Muslim or a Christian or Jewish for example. The world is full of Muslims and Christians and Jews (and other religions) who are as appalled as you or I at what is happening. Your suggestion that we go and "kill some of them" falls pretty squarely into the revenge category, an understandable emotion but ultimately not conducive to anything but more violence and hatred. Especially since most of those doing the dying these days are civilians, and many even children.

Why is the U.S. the object of so much hatred? Is it really as simple as Bush would have us believe, that "they" hate freedom? What does that actually mean? I don't think that there is any historical doubt that the U.S., with the UK sometimes helping, has put in place and/or kept in place, financially and militarily, a succession of the most appalling and murderous governments on the face of the earth, and has moved to prevent the countries' own peoples from doing anything about it. Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador, Israel, Palestine, Panama, Argentina, Iran (when it was under the Shah), Iraq (when we liked Saddam), Haiti, Angola, let's see, who am I missing? And all for economic and/or strategic gain. All empires have found in the end that you can't kill "all of them". As the richest country in the world, how about invading countries with medicines for AIDS and other infectious diseases, with the infrastructure for clean water, with the funds for education. with food and the means to produce it, etc. etc.

Hey, that wasn't a bad speech.

Edit - oops, forgot Chile.