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Old Jul 21st 2013 | 3:24 am
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Hello,

I work in Britain for a British company which is a subsidiary of a US-based company.

I have been asked to travel to the US to attend some company events (mainly meetings and presentations).

Once I landed in the US, they sent me a schedule that included daily work hours in the US. Everyday, I was supposed to be on-shift as a primary workforce.

I responded that I don't have the right to work in the US. I wrote to the company that I have the right to travel to the US for meetings, training and such related business activity, I don't have the right to do actual work in the US.

They said that this is already scheduled and I have no choice.

What are my venues?

Thank you for your assistance
 
Old Jul 21st 2013 | 3:36 am
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Don't do the work. Still attend the meetings and presentations etc.

If you were caught working the 'my boss told me too' excuse would be about as a successful as it was Nuremberg...
 
Old Jul 21st 2013 | 5:06 am
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I see what you mean.

I sent a long email explaining the situation to my management to cover myself. At least I can show that I tried to do something about it.

But bottom line, they made it clear that if I don't do the job, even illegally, I will be fired. I am not alone in this situation and my colleagues all faced the same issue and have been forced to work.
 
Old Jul 21st 2013 | 5:44 am
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All consequences rest with you not them.

One might have to consider if it is worth working for a company that treats their workforce like that. Also they can be reported anonymously to USCIS.
 
Old Jul 21st 2013 | 5:49 am
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Choices:-

1) Do the work and not make a fuss

2) Refuse to do the work, get fired and report the company for breaches of immigration regulations.

I suspect a great many companies do exactly what yours does and in practical terms USCIS/CBP are not concerned unless it comes to their notice. Even then I wouldn't expect much, other than a slapped wrist, to happen to the company. You are responsible for making sure you have the correct visas.
 
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Under the circumstances, I would tell the CBP officer at the airport when you arrive, EXACTLY what you will be doing, warts and all. If he let's you in, you're good to go, if he sends you straight back then your employer doesn't have much grounds to complain, nor I suspect any basis to fire you that would stand up to an employment tribunal.
 
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
Under the circumstances, I would tell the CBP officer at the airport when you arrive, EXACTLY what you will be doing, warts and all. If he let's you in, you're good to go, if he sends you straight back then your employer doesn't have much grounds to complain, nor I suspect any basis to fire you that would stand up to an employment tribunal.
Sounds to me like the OP is already in the USA right now, though.

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Sounds to me like the OP is already in the USA right now, though. ....
Ooops, you're right.
 
Old Jul 21st 2013 | 7:02 am
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British company will surely fall under UK and EU rules? If they fire you for refusing to work you can take them to court for unfair dismissal.
 
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You're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

If you don't do it, you might get fired. You can take them to an employment tribunal, and you will win either your job back or compensation. Can you afford all that?

You risk it - you either don't get caught, and keep your job (depending how much of a stink you make about it) or you get caught, still keep your job and you're banned from the USA.

If it was me in your position I would have to risk it for the sake of keeping my job. I would not be happy about this, and might start job hunting once I get back.
 
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I am in the US now.

In Europe, if you bring people across the border to make them work illegally, you commit a crime and these people are protected.

Apparently, in the US, it's the opposite. I lied to the immigration because I wasn't aware at that time that I was coming to the US to work.

I am going to swallow it. I don't see what I can do else. But on my return to Britain, I will resign from this company.
 
Old Jul 21st 2013 | 8:01 am
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Originally Posted by AlphaBravo
I am in the US now.

In Europe, if you bring people across the border to make them work illegally, you commit a crime and these people are protected.

Apparently, in the US, it's the opposite. I lied to the immigration because I wasn't aware at that time that I was coming to the US to work.

I am going to swallow it. I don't see what I can do else. But on my return to Britain, I will resign from this company.
If you're going to resign anyway, you could consider refusing to work, getting fired and then at least taking it through the courts. There is a chance they learn a lesson that way. Though I can really understand why you would choose not to.
 
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Pulaskis idea was good, for anyone in a similar position entering the US.

You have documentation by the sounds of it, I'd try to get as much as possible, keep asking questions and build up the evidence.

If you plan on resigning anyway, I'd go for unfair dismissal rather than constructive dismissal.
 
Old Jul 21st 2013 | 8:30 am
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OP should not resign if he's pretty sure they'll fire him anyway, as it will be much easier for him to make an unfair dismissal claim then.

If they don't fire him, and he still wants to resign and claim constructive dismissal, he should get advice from the CAB or an employment lawyer before handing in his notice as it is now much harder to claim constructive dismissal in the UK than it once was. He'd need to open a grievance with the company and have that rejected first for instance.
 
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You're description of what you'll be doing in the USA in addition to "attending some company events" is highly superficial. I'm not entirely sure that you are in a difficult situation. Have you discussed this with a US immigration attorney here in the USA? An independent attorney of your own choosing, not one of your company's attorneys.

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Originally Posted by AlphaBravo
I work in Britain for a British company which is a subsidiary of a US-based company.

I have been asked to travel to the US to attend some company events (mainly meetings and presentations).

Once I landed in the US, they sent me a schedule that included daily work hours in the US. Everyday, I was supposed to be on-shift as a primary workforce.

I responded that I don't have the right to work in the US. I wrote to the company that I have the right to travel to the US for meetings, training and such related business activity, I don't have the right to do actual work in the US.

They said that this is already scheduled and I have no choice.
 


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