Jerseygirl

I like you.

Dogbyte

For those who are not conversant with the mans crime it is as simple as this.He was responsible for murdering a topless bar waitress 27 YEARS AGO.As I said previously,justice takes too long.No one is argueing that he didnt do it just that the medical staff alledgely put the injections through his veins which resulted in the fluids taking longer to act.As for the alledged 'Grimace'on his face,that was probably the nerves relaxing,as he paased away.

ladygwennie

How ya doin girl? You manage to get some more xmas decorations up?

Jerseygirl

Nope...this weekend hopefully. Hubby's been away...I need his help to get the trees up from the basement.

How's life treating you....have you finished all that studying yet?

ladygwennie

For this semester Get to do it all over again in 3 wks, the joy. I'm doing good, waiting for my math professor to post my grade, so I have em all. Enjoying being as lazy as possible for now.

How many xmas decorations do you have? My husband balked at me saying i would be putting lights up outside when we get a house, really need a better way of training him

Old William

Unfortunately it's all too often apparent (and for some strange reason more abundantly so on BE) that those that have the most sympathies for serious criminals are those that have never either A) Suffered at the hands of one or B) Had to deal with the aftermath of the human suffering such criminals leave in their wake.

snowbunny

I think that in many ways this would be more "humane" than a calculated killing by the government. It's certainly the way it would have gone before the arrival of modern forms of government.

The death penalty is NOT a deterrent. If you want research.... I'll go look for it, but I have done previous reading on the subject in the past.

I am uncomfortable with the death penalty because it is used in Texas as a bragging right by politicians and county attorneys -- how many have YOU convicted and had executed? There have been people convicted of capital murder who were later exonerated by DNA evidence or witness testimony. There are KNOWN cases of massive corruption of the pardons and parole process (most notably in Louisiana, see Edwin Edwards) and our lovely 5th Circuit ruling that an attorney who SLEPT during his defendant's trial provided satisfactory representation.

Under these circumstances I cannot support the death penalty.

Jerseygirl

I don't think Dogbyte meant to you offend with his remarks.

snowbunny

I think that this sort of serious crime affects relatively few people (thank God).

However, there are some victim families who have asked that the killer be spared the death penalty. Individual rational, emotional and religious beliefs influence everyone's stance on the death penalty.

FWIW my cousin is an assistant DA in Harris County (Houston) and will not try death penalty cases as she is opposed and remains opposed to the death penalty even after seeing some of the worst killings imaginable.

Old William

You misunderstand me....I mean those that in general are sympathetic to serious criminals have had no involvement with the aftermath of their deeds.

For relatives it is sometimes better to take the moral high ground as this can provide comfort.

The death penalty is a seperate issue.

Thydney

Perhaps we should stun them first 3-4 12 bores should do the trick.

FWIW all the laws are there as a deterant so we should abolish all laws? I think all these pieces of shit should get a fair trial before they're hanged. Just one though.

Dogbyte

As you seem to agree with Jerseygirl's response to a slow and painful death then, maybe, we should have Public Stonings for the relatives to taker part in. that would, then not be under Government control.As for the US justice system, I cannot comment on individual cases as I havent followed them.I have helped convict Murderers (6) personally but as we no longer have the D/P.As for research into these matters, figures mean nothing.In the UK, the figures will say that Murder statistics have actually gone down justifying the abolishment of the D/P.However the stats for manslaughter have gone through the roof and the basic reason is money.To run a full murder trial it costs thousands whereas a guilty plea to Manslaughter costs little.The results are shorter sentences for a lesser deamed crime thus not clogging up prisons with long term prisoners. There will always be instants where miscarriages of justice occur but a judge and jury have to be convinced to convict and then an appeals court to adjudicate on appeal. I applaud your stance but I beg to differ, as it would appear others do.

snowbunny

This is also an issue here (the finances) but there is a definite bloodthirst in Texas to go for the death penalty, so the voters are willing to stand the cost. For a murder to "qualify" for the death penalty, it must have some aggravating circumstance ("capital murder") eg murder in concert with other crime, usually robbery or rape, murder of a police officer/other emergency worker, or a child under five -- the laws can change, but the essence is that there are a few categories of "protected people." People murder all the time and don't qualify and as in Manchester, they cop a plea and get out early on "good time" and go right back and murder again.

So we get BOTH: death penalty and serial murderers let out of prison.

Dogbyte

So maybe we go back to the old days,as I personally dont see the destinction in any form of Murder. Simply Malice aforethought - take a life. Death Penalty. No excuses.

kingfisher241049

http://www.nola.com/newsflash/nation...ylist=national

Gov. Jeb Bush suspended all executions in Florida after a medical examiner said Friday that prison officials botched the insertion of the needles when a convicted killer was put to death earlier this week.

Separately, a federal judge in California extended a moratorium on executions in the nation's most populous state, declaring that the state's method of lethal injection violates the constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

U.S. District Judge Jeremy Fogel ruled in San Jose that California's "implementation of lethal injection is broken, but it can be fixed."