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51% of Americans don't believe in it seemingly, which I found surprising.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in965223.shtml

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It also says that the figure was 55% a year ago, so maybe things are moving in the right direction.

maybe.

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knowing Americans I would have thought it would have been higher than 51%

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May have something to do with them not being able to teach evolution in the schools, at least round our way. I'm not sure if thats actually a fact, or an urban myth, but I've heard it from a few different sources

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I think that may have something to do with the Church and State thing, if you can't teach creationism, you can't teach evolutionism.

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From what I understand, they DO teach creationism as the only possibility for us being here!

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It depends where you are I think, I asked my 9th grader and he says they don't teach anything about either. (we're in NJ)

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And God said unto Adam "Give me one of your legs, an arm, four fingers and a thumb, an ear, your tongue and a testicle and I will give to you a companion. A companion so fair and beautiful to gaze upon. A companion that will answer and attend your EVERY ;) desire. A companion so true and loyal and faithful only to you. A companion called "Woman" that will NEVER disobey or have a angry word with you. A companion that you will laugh, love and live with for infinity.

Adam thought
"What do I get for just one rib"? he asked

the rest is history

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Reckon you're right there

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Lets face it there are parts of the US where there has not been any evolution for centuries. Just look at dubya

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wonder what the breakdown by region of country is...

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Used to be strict evolutionist than changed my tune after I worked on my MD and saw how complex and well designed the human body is... even the professors couldn't help but use the word "design" constantly through the lectures... :) Seems to be a trend toward ID lately among the scientists and my colleagues, though pure darwinism is still dominant among my colleagues, ID seems to be really growing...

Here's a cool web site on ID:

http://www.origins.org/

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hmmm. If the human body is so well designed, couldn't the great designer have made childbirth a wee bit less of a nightmare? My Mrs would be interested to know.

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If it is so well designed then why is the Leisure centre located right next to the sewers???

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Hmmm, randomness seems a path I could quite happily follow :rolleyes:

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And why put the testicles outside? Why not 'design' them to work inside the body where they are safe, instead of leaving them outside to regulate their temperature and be easily kicked?

And how come I needed glasses at age 5 if my eyes are so well designed? Why not design them so the lenses work fine and stay fine as we age?

And how come my back hurts? And why is it so easy to throw your back out if it is so well designed? And why aren't my joints designed to be sturdier and not ache when it rains?

Sorry dude, but if this is the best a 'designer' can do, (and by designer you mean God), with all his omniscience and infinite wisdom, it's not very good is it?

Creationism/Intelligent Design is just a stealthy way to teach Christianity in schools. I wish the ID folks would just admit that instead of playing at being scientists.

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Just to be awkward most of your ailments are caused be doing things you weren't designed for, after all you wouldn't use a chainsaw to strip a piece of flex.

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PMSL :D
My daughter is constantly amazed at the little amount most kids know about evolution over here, because it is not taught in schools most children only know what they are told at home or in the case of the US, at church, during one science lesson they were learning about tides etc, when asked what they thought made the tides move most of the kids answered God :confused: the teacher could only say " well yes that is one possibility" due to the fact that they are not allowed to dispute the kids belief....amazes me.

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Anyone know the figure for us Brits?
Bet its a lot less,
Rob

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You mean like standing upright?

That is, after all, why we have so many back problems and why childbirth is so painful for us.

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Exactly - our back evolved to walk on all fours, not upright.

Plus, how dare I use my eyes for seeing with - I guess my mother was right amd I will wear them out....

In fact, apart from getting kicked in the nuts (which every man has been) the examples I gave were eyes for seeing and back for walking upright!

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Why do those polls not add up to 100%? Were the other 4 or 5% don't knows ? If so there's a small minority of very sensible people in the USA! :)

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anybody who says that the human body is too complex and "well designed" for evolution, clearly does not fully understand the concept of evolution. I'm not saying other theories are wrong, just that evolution explains everthing fairly well, at least well as "intelligent design" (the main upcoming argument, and a much more valid and less emotional one than creationism)

interesting site http://www.venganza.org/index.htm

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He's from Connecticut. :confused:

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That small minority are the ones that believe in both theories, I suppose.

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I'd guess it would be 98% in Utah and 2% in California don't you think?

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So you wore glasses at 5 and throw your back out walking upright? Sorry mate but I guess you were one of the prototypes that never got to mass production ;)

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I canlt believe the beginnings of conversations I have had with seemingly intelligent people (albeit those exposed to a shit ton of religion) who spount on about adam and eve

I say beginnings because by about thirty seconds into them I realise these people are deluded by saying things like 'when you have kids you will understand' or 'when you have kids you will go to church a lot more'

hmm

why would i go to church at all with my kids if i am atheist - surely that would make me a huge fiicking hypocrite like most 'christians' i know

sorry, but i can;t stand people who profess to be so into the church and christianity (or any other religion) who then cheat on their spouses, drive drunk, embezzle/cheat people etc

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AND the key point I take from the CBS pollis

Just 15 percent say humans evolved, and that God was not involved.

WTF

people who responded to the cbs poll are retarded sheep

if someone shows me proof of god tomorrow and that jesus is his son and our saviour, then fine - i will sign up immediately

I personally believe in Jesus - that he was a prophet, and went round teaching people good values, being charitable and a good neighbour etc.

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and thirdly, as i read more into the poll

The results were not much different between the answers to that question and those given when a specific timeline was included in the final alternative: God created human beings in their present form within the last 10,000 years.

55% of poll respondees beleive this

so what i saw at the natural history museum all thoses years ago is just a hoax

I want my money back

jurassic park, although fiction is just based on a joke apparently

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Ah the old 'do we trust Catholic priests' debate :D :D

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And?

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I guess the answer to that is no since we see so many of them being in young boys

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Yes more Brits are emigrating here. :D

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We lived next door to some Born Again Christians in England. What grated with me were that they were "against" science (my husband is a scientist) but were constantly seeking the very best in medical advances and treatments for their many ailments. Surely this is having it both ways? Why not let God decide who lives and dies, and when, or else admit that science has a rational set of explanations?

The findings of the poll originally posted I found utterly depressing.

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That's the whole point, these imbeciles are sheep and need to follow something to give some meaning to their mundane lives. They believe virtually everything they are told by the elders of their faith INSTEAD of believing something altogether more creditable with virtual full proof.

Their whole existance is being conducted on the assumption that they will have an afterlife in heaven, with nice little angels and big soft fluffy clouds.

In order to get to "paradise" they have been "brainwashed" that they need to pay eternal homage to a a completely mythical figure (God). A figure that there has NEVER been a single piece of verifiable proof actually exists or ever existed.

The whole basis for Christian worship is fundamentally flawed in virtually every aspect. However, it is not Christian religion itself that is to blame. The sole blame rests on the shoulders of the human representatives of Christian religion. The Catholic church is a prime example.

They have been at odds with science for the sake of self survival. If people are brainwashed to believe that god will send us to heaven then theres a need for spiritual guidance, forgiveness etc from a non devine form (i.e a church) and human representation of that religion. BUT!! If those same people decided that they believed the big bang theory and Darwins evolutionary theory then religion becomes obsolete and surplus to society's requirements. Althought the religion itself becomes obsolete, it's ideals such as love and kindness still hold firm.

I don't know about anyone else but I don't need to believe in God or be blackmailed about going to heaven to love my children and be kind to (some ;) ) others.

Is it really any wonder that christain religions congregations have been declining for years given the examples set by their leaderships in protecting the vile filth of humanity in their midst against justice for innocents.

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Just another reason why I should drug the wife and get her out of this country.

America is going to be a very interesting place (in an insane way) over the next 20 years......if it hasn't been sunk by then.

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I'm hoping (maybe I'm deluded) that as the sample was only 808 people that it's not that representative.

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That being the case, looks like God not only isn't that 'intelligent' in his designs, but he is a complete slacker! He's letting all kinds of crap get past him every day! He's the guy at work who gets an office, is supposedly in charge of a lot of important stuff, but no one actually knows what he does, or has seem him do any work!!

Putting aside the frivolity, if ID gets a pass to be taught in schools, the education level in this country will slide faster than it is now. If evolution, the cornerstone of biology, is not taught how qualified are our doctors going to be? Do you want to go to a doctor like that?

The pioneering work in stem cell research is being done in Europe and moreso in Asia. 20 years from now, instead of people coming from all over the world to the US for medical procedures, the US will be a laughingstock and people will be going to China instead.

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So let em teach ID to kids and then when those kids want to become Doctors at med school are they then going to say "Forget all that stuff we taught you in elementary and middle school, this is what REALLY happpened"?

Thats just stupid political correctness again, they'll teach it to keep a few idots in the bible belt happy, who cares if it f**ks up the minds of the next generation?