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Old Apr 6th 2018, 4:36 am
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Originally Posted by md95065 View Post
Why the reluctance?

Assuming that the tests are being applied to all employees and there is no objective reason (safety etc) why they could be considered necessary, how about "because it's none of the employer's damn business"?
Well, you and I live in a state and work in an industry that has rather more commonsense on this.
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Originally Posted by TheKingOfHearts View Post
We also recently started mandating hair samples as a requirement for the drug test, I recently had a prospective employee fail on marijuana from 8 months ago! It lasts a LONG time in hair.
I'm curious, what is the point/benefit of this? So what if they smoked 8 months ago? How will that effect them in any way in their day to day job? Whats to stop them just shaving all their hair off?

Here in the UK my company does drug tests using urine. Which checks for metabolites still in the body which shows recent use which could impact the day to day job as it is safety critical.
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Old Apr 6th 2018, 10:34 am
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Lol, if you wanted to work for harrods store in london when mohammed fayad ran it, you had to have aids and tb tests, they said it was for food handling! But applied it universally.
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Originally Posted by az2014 View Post
I'm curious, what is the point/benefit of this? So what if they smoked 8 months ago? How will that effect them in any way in their day to day job? Whats to stop them just shaving all their hair off?

It's not just about the drugs, it goes to your overall credibility as a candidate.
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Old Apr 6th 2018, 12:21 pm
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Having discussed this topic a fair bit with some US coworkers i've never heard of hair tests for this purpose. So I guess it varies quite a bit from city to city, profession to profession.
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Old Apr 6th 2018, 1:56 pm
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Originally Posted by civilservant View Post
It's not just about the drugs, it goes to your overall credibility as a candidate.
In financial and security establishments, taking illegal drugs leaves one open to blackmail and shows a willingness to be illegal [theres a word for that] which would bar you immediately from sensitive positions and get you a black mark if you were being considered for other posts.

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I'm curious, what is the point/benefit of this? So what if they smoked 8 months ago? How will that effect them in any way in their day to day job? Whats to stop them just shaving all their hair off?

Here in the UK my company does drug tests using urine. Which checks for metabolites still in the body which shows recent use which could impact the day to day job as it is safety critical.
We used to only mandate this for employees working on government contracts, changed that recently to be all new employee's.

Whilst I personally couldn't care less if the individual smoked 8 months ago, policy is policy and it is argued it goes to credibility.

Equally - if you have no hair out of anything other than a medical reason, the companies response (I sh*t you not) is to grow out a beard, leg or head hair sufficient to give a sample. Or supply a medical note that you physically can't, else we rescind the offer or employment.

I should add, whilst I'm in software development, the overall company is in heavy equipment, so I can see the logic.
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Originally Posted by civilservant View Post
It's not just about the drugs, it goes to your overall credibility as a candidate.
How does smoking a joint affect one's overall credibility as a candidate?

I would have thought alcoholism affected one's credibility rather more and unless they have some drink-related offence show up on a background check, these employers are typically silent on that.

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe View Post
How does smoking a joint affect one's overall credibility as a candidate?

I would have thought alcoholism affected one's credibility rather more and unless they have some drink-related offence show up on a background check, these employers are typically silent on that.
Those that engage in willful illegal activities are perceived, rightly or wrongly, to be less reliable and more of a risk in terms of attendance in my experience.

Ultimately the applicant is asking for a job, they can find someone else if you don't want to comply with their requirements.
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Originally Posted by civilservant View Post
Those that engage in willful illegal activities are perceived, rightly or wrongly, to be less reliable and more of a risk in terms of attendance in my experience.
Marijuana is not illegal in several states and not illegal in a bunch more for medicinal reasons. The latter is the irony in all this. Of course, I do understand that at the federal level it is still considered illegal everywhere.

And, again, the statistics clearly show alcoholism is a far bigger risk in terms of attendance (and medical costs etc).

Originally Posted by civilservant View Post
Ultimately the applicant is asking for a job, they can find someone else if you don't want to comply with their requirements.
That is certainly true, although I suspect we are moving towards at least certain states making such drug tests for marijuana illegal.

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Originally Posted by TheKingOfHearts View Post
We also recently started mandating hair samples as a requirement for the drug test, I recently had a prospective employee fail on marijuana from 8 months ago! It lasts a LONG time in hair.
What if the subject took in the marijuana outside of work in a state where it was legal? Would you not employ them on federal law grounds? All a but pathetic IMO
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What if the subject took in the marijuana outside of work in a state where it was legal? Would you not employ them on federal law grounds? All a but pathetic IMO
It's not even all about the legality - people who takes drugs are a risk. To the company, to their colleagues.

If a company does not wish to employ a drug user, they have that right.
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It's not even all about the legality - people who takes drugs are a risk. To the company, to their colleagues.

If a company does not wish to employ a drug user, they have that right.
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Originally Posted by civilservant View Post
It's not even all about the legality - people who takes drugs are a risk. To the company, to their colleagues.

If a company does not wish to employ a drug user, they have that right.
Coffee? Beer? Wine?
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Coffee? Beer? Wine?
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