Does immigration cost jobs?
May 17th 2010, 2:38 am
#31
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
I'm one of those rare ethnic minority Ron Paul supporters, before that I was a communist and a registered Democrat.Fine, but I'm stealing your job because I'm Hispanic
Kidding! About the stealing your job part anyway..
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May 17th 2010, 3:32 am
#33
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
To the original question, I don't think so at all. I am sure Americans head overseas for work too.
Fact is, if there is such a thing as “Employment Based Visa" then there is a reason to it. The country needs it. Well that's how I think about it. Sure there are people who exploit the rules but it happens everywhere in any country. Don’t forget, at the end of the day America is a mecca for professional experience and generally everyone wants to go there.
Like the very vast majority who satisfy all immigration rules & move with legal intentions & abide but laws & are qualified, I am about to move to the states as well. I did not have the luxury of opening my own business, I did not have the luxury of being transferred via work, I did not have the luxury of marrying a USC. I did it all by myself and lots of them.
I am guessing; when a company recruits they generally want to the best person to get the job. So that’s what it comes down to. I had 4 interviews and then a marathon 5 hour technical interview before I got my job. I am moving there soon so I hope I am taking the right decision.
The point is, for those who move the illegal way or some loophole way – they tend to struggle a lot. Those who do it the right way always have honest intentions.
FYI – I say the same thing for people who move to Australia. I do not thing they ‘steal’ any jobs here per se. Fact is, Australia needs it.
Remember, its immigration rules that define what America wants/needs. If they don’t want overseas workers, the rules need to change. No point in debating if non immigrant workers take away jobs or not.
Equal Opportunity employers – can not discriminate based on citizenship orientation amongst other things. I am glad it’s that way. Immigrants have just as a right to live their live happy as do Americans.
Fact is, if there is such a thing as “Employment Based Visa" then there is a reason to it. The country needs it. Well that's how I think about it. Sure there are people who exploit the rules but it happens everywhere in any country. Don’t forget, at the end of the day America is a mecca for professional experience and generally everyone wants to go there.
Like the very vast majority who satisfy all immigration rules & move with legal intentions & abide but laws & are qualified, I am about to move to the states as well. I did not have the luxury of opening my own business, I did not have the luxury of being transferred via work, I did not have the luxury of marrying a USC. I did it all by myself and lots of them.
I am guessing; when a company recruits they generally want to the best person to get the job. So that’s what it comes down to. I had 4 interviews and then a marathon 5 hour technical interview before I got my job. I am moving there soon so I hope I am taking the right decision.
The point is, for those who move the illegal way or some loophole way – they tend to struggle a lot. Those who do it the right way always have honest intentions.
FYI – I say the same thing for people who move to Australia. I do not thing they ‘steal’ any jobs here per se. Fact is, Australia needs it.
Remember, its immigration rules that define what America wants/needs. If they don’t want overseas workers, the rules need to change. No point in debating if non immigrant workers take away jobs or not.
Equal Opportunity employers – can not discriminate based on citizenship orientation amongst other things. I am glad it’s that way. Immigrants have just as a right to live their live happy as do Americans.
May 17th 2010, 3:48 am
#34
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
Well what I was saying in the previous posts, wasn't about should all people or some have health care, I wanted to clarify that health care can never be a right (irrespective of your thoughts on it), because a right is not something that can be bought and sold. Like you can't buy freedom of speech, or can't buy the right to a speedy trial, etc. (unless you're a slave but that point is moot nowadays anyway). You know what I mean? I'm not against you saying that we should have universal healthcare, I just don't feel that it should be called a right when in order to have it, you have to pay for it (either out of your pocket or via the public purse), you know? It's more of what to call it, than anything else. If that makes any sense.
CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE EUROPEAN UNION
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Article 35
Health care
Everyone has the right of access to preventive health care and the right to benefit from medical treatment under the conditions established by national laws and practices. A high level of human health protection shall be ensured in the definition and implementation of all [European] Union policies and activities.Health care
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May 17th 2010, 3:58 am
#36
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
Another one for ya:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948
"everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of oneself and one’s family, including food, clothing, housing, and medical care."
The US is a signatory.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948
"everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of oneself and one’s family, including food, clothing, housing, and medical care."
The US is a signatory.
May 17th 2010, 4:28 am
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
Where do you get this UN cover?
May 17th 2010, 6:55 am
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
Just like the retirees that are in the tea party who want to cut waste in government such as disability and medical payments for other people but the government better not touch their medicare and social security benefits.
Difference!
May 17th 2010, 10:45 am
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
That's like saying tea party people are all racists. Who wants to get payments to the disabled and mentally ill? I don't.
May 17th 2010, 10:50 am
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
and Mexicans didn't come running across en masse like they do now either
May 17th 2010, 3:00 pm
#43
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
Article VI, Section 2
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land . .
It's a federal matter....so file it in federal court.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land . .
It's a federal matter....so file it in federal court.
May 17th 2010, 5:07 pm
#45
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Re: Does immigration cost jobs?
The Declaration certainly has a persuasive influence on USSC decisions, though.
http://candst.tripod.com/doisussc.htm
http://candst.tripod.com/doisussc.htm