Does anybody else find this weird?
Apr 3rd 2004, 7:37 am
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Re: Does anybody else find this weird?
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What is it with the routine misspelling of the word Caribbean? At best it shows total ignorance.
I mean, nobody would dream of writing Ingurland or Amurica in a post, would they?
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What is it with the routine misspelling of the word Caribbean? At best it shows total ignorance.
I mean, nobody would dream of writing Ingurland or Amurica in a post, would they?
Originally posted by veryfunny
Most black english people would have come from the carribean or Africa and would be darker then the average african american.
I busted a gut laughing about this comment, this is a bit like saying White Canadians or lighter than white Russians.
Most black english people would have come from the carribean or Africa and would be darker then the average african american.
I busted a gut laughing about this comment, this is a bit like saying White Canadians or lighter than white Russians.
Apr 3rd 2004, 8:04 am
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Re: Does anybody else find this weird?
Originally posted by Pulaski
I think that the whole labels thing stinks. I did when I lived in the UK, and I still do.
For what its worth I do not, ever, complete that section of forms as to force people to answer such questions is, of course, discriminatory and prohibited by law - in both the UK and America.
I have now been chased by employers in both the UK and the US telling me that I had not fully completed my joining paperwork, and could I kindly answer the "racial background" question. The answer each time has been "no", as I am not required to do so.
The sooner more people decline to provide this information the sooner the whole "labels" thing will go away.
I think that the whole labels thing stinks. I did when I lived in the UK, and I still do.
For what its worth I do not, ever, complete that section of forms as to force people to answer such questions is, of course, discriminatory and prohibited by law - in both the UK and America.
I have now been chased by employers in both the UK and the US telling me that I had not fully completed my joining paperwork, and could I kindly answer the "racial background" question. The answer each time has been "no", as I am not required to do so.
The sooner more people decline to provide this information the sooner the whole "labels" thing will go away.
Apr 3rd 2004, 10:04 am
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Re: Does anybody else find this weird?
Originally posted by CaliforniaBride
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What is it with the routine misspelling of the word Caribbean? At best it shows total ignorance.
I mean, nobody would dream of writing Ingurland or Amurica in a post, would they?
ONE R, TWO B's
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What is it with the routine misspelling of the word Caribbean? At best it shows total ignorance.
I mean, nobody would dream of writing Ingurland or Amurica in a post, would they?
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Apr 3rd 2004, 11:43 am
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Re: Does anybody else find this weird?
Originally posted by veryfunny
Sorry, I was just quoting someone else. I will bear that in mind next time.
THX
Sorry, I was just quoting someone else. I will bear that in mind next time.
THX
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Apr 5th 2004, 6:30 am
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I was talking, on Friday, about Pop Idol (mainly disgussing that in the first series you had to have some kind of disability to get into the final (either a lisp or a stutter)) and mentioned the girl who came third was a 16 year old black girl. I was forcefully told "African-American" by a white American woman. I said how can she be an "African-American" when she's british - she is either an afro-caribbean or black.
PC is fine when achieves what it set out to achieve but it really has to got to a point of ridiculesness. I'm waiting for women to have personstral cycles!
Patrick
PC is fine when achieves what it set out to achieve but it really has to got to a point of ridiculesness. I'm waiting for women to have personstral cycles!
Patrick
Apr 5th 2004, 7:37 am
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Re: Does anybody else find this weird?
Hispanic would cover anybody Spanish or of Spanish descent. So speaking Spanish as a first language does not make you Hispanic. However Hispanic dates from atime when Portugal was not a seperate entity.
As Spain and Portugal have been seperate entities for many years, not a term I have heard used before in common parlance. I think I would have gone for Iberian before Hispanic. The only other term I can think of that is comparable is Scandinavian.
Latino I must admit I thought had some reference to Latin the language. But it means anybody in the Americas ex USA and Canada - Latin America.
So in answer to the lady whose Husband is Spanish, he could be called Hispanic but certainly not Latino. But the again looking at my ancestory (half Welsh) I know there is a Welsh community in Argentinia, and German etc etc, so they could be called Latino's but not Hispanic!
As Spain and Portugal have been seperate entities for many years, not a term I have heard used before in common parlance. I think I would have gone for Iberian before Hispanic. The only other term I can think of that is comparable is Scandinavian.
Latino I must admit I thought had some reference to Latin the language. But it means anybody in the Americas ex USA and Canada - Latin America.
So in answer to the lady whose Husband is Spanish, he could be called Hispanic but certainly not Latino. But the again looking at my ancestory (half Welsh) I know there is a Welsh community in Argentinia, and German etc etc, so they could be called Latino's but not Hispanic!
Apr 5th 2004, 9:28 am
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Originally posted by Patrick
I was talking, on Friday, about Pop Idol (mainly disgussing that in the first series you had to have some kind of disability to get into the final (either a lisp or a stutter)) and mentioned the girl who came third was a 16 year old black girl. I was forcefully told "African-American" by a white American woman. I said how can she be an "African-American" when she's british - she is either an afro-caribbean or black.
PC is fine when achieves what it set out to achieve but it really has to got to a point of ridiculesness. I'm waiting for women to have personstral cycles!
Patrick
I was talking, on Friday, about Pop Idol (mainly disgussing that in the first series you had to have some kind of disability to get into the final (either a lisp or a stutter)) and mentioned the girl who came third was a 16 year old black girl. I was forcefully told "African-American" by a white American woman. I said how can she be an "African-American" when she's british - she is either an afro-caribbean or black.
PC is fine when achieves what it set out to achieve but it really has to got to a point of ridiculesness. I'm waiting for women to have personstral cycles!
Patrick
Perhaps she doesn't even realize that there are black Britons. She'd probably freak out to discover that there are Asians (South East Asians/Indians) in Africa too! e.g. in Kenya, Tanzania, etc.
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Apr 5th 2004, 10:40 am
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in that case -- jews aren't a race either. So saying bad things about jews, doesn't make you racist. Just against the jew religion right?
Apr 5th 2004, 11:32 am
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Originally posted by Patrick
I was talking, on Friday, about Pop Idol (mainly disgussing that in the first series you had to have some kind of disability to get into the final (either a lisp or a stutter)) and mentioned the girl who came third was a 16 year old black girl. I was forcefully told "African-American" by a white American woman. I said how can she be an "African-American" when she's british - she is either an afro-caribbean or black.
PC is fine when achieves what it set out to achieve but it really has to got to a point of ridiculesness. I'm waiting for women to have personstral cycles!
Patrick
I was talking, on Friday, about Pop Idol (mainly disgussing that in the first series you had to have some kind of disability to get into the final (either a lisp or a stutter)) and mentioned the girl who came third was a 16 year old black girl. I was forcefully told "African-American" by a white American woman. I said how can she be an "African-American" when she's british - she is either an afro-caribbean or black.
PC is fine when achieves what it set out to achieve but it really has to got to a point of ridiculesness. I'm waiting for women to have personstral cycles!
Patrick
I'm sure when you were disgussing(sic) Pop Idol you weren't referring to being black as a disability. Although, your post does read as such.
The conversation you had doesn't in my mind demonstrate that 'PC' has reached the 'point of ridiculousness', rather that the woman in question was incorrect as you were. Being incorrect should not invoke ridicule.
CB
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Apr 5th 2004, 12:31 pm
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Originally posted by Patrick
I was talking, on Friday, about Pop Idol (mainly disgussing that in the first series you had to have some kind of disability to get into the final (either a lisp or a stutter)) and mentioned the girl who came third was a 16 year old black girl. I was forcefully told "African-American" by a white American woman. I said how can she be an "African-American" when she's british - she is either an afro-caribbean or black.
PC is fine when achieves what it set out to achieve but it really has to got to a point of ridiculesness. I'm waiting for women to have personstral cycles!
Patrick
I was talking, on Friday, about Pop Idol (mainly disgussing that in the first series you had to have some kind of disability to get into the final (either a lisp or a stutter)) and mentioned the girl who came third was a 16 year old black girl. I was forcefully told "African-American" by a white American woman. I said how can she be an "African-American" when she's british - she is either an afro-caribbean or black.
PC is fine when achieves what it set out to achieve but it really has to got to a point of ridiculesness. I'm waiting for women to have personstral cycles!
Patrick
Apr 5th 2004, 5:21 pm
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Raises another issue I have no answer to:
The use of the term British, what does it mean?
I never use it, never would occur to me to descrive myself as British in the UK. Has a slightly bad taste flavour nowadays.
I use English, except for Rugby when I am Welsh.
Never used it here either, most people have no idea where Wales is, so I just stick to English.
PS: What is a British accent?
The use of the term British, what does it mean?
I never use it, never would occur to me to descrive myself as British in the UK. Has a slightly bad taste flavour nowadays.
I use English, except for Rugby when I am Welsh.
Never used it here either, most people have no idea where Wales is, so I just stick to English.
PS: What is a British accent?
Apr 5th 2004, 5:29 pm
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Originally posted by supernav
in that case -- jews aren't a race either. So saying bad things about jews, doesn't make you racist. Just against the jew religion right?
in that case -- jews aren't a race either. So saying bad things about jews, doesn't make you racist. Just against the jew religion right?
Just a question.
I don't think it's about "race" as such just percieved ethnic groups.
Hell it's about discrimination as an expression of fear and a vehicle for control.
In most cases it's just an excuse imho. People who don't like themselves very much tend to project their own self-loathing onto others. Not always, but often, the case.
Apr 5th 2004, 5:31 pm
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Originally posted by CaliforniaBride
Patrick,
I'm sure when you were disgussing(sic) Pop Idol you weren't referring to being black as a disability. Although, your post does read as such.
The conversation you had doesn't in my mind demonstrate that 'PC' has reached the 'point of ridiculousness', rather that the woman in question was incorrect as you were. Being incorrect should not invoke ridicule.
CB
Patrick,
I'm sure when you were disgussing(sic) Pop Idol you weren't referring to being black as a disability. Although, your post does read as such.
The conversation you had doesn't in my mind demonstrate that 'PC' has reached the 'point of ridiculousness', rather that the woman in question was incorrect as you were. Being incorrect should not invoke ridicule.
CB
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Apr 6th 2004, 4:09 am
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Re: Does anybody else find this weird?
Originally posted by Boiler
Hispanic would cover anybody Spanish or of Spanish descent. So speaking Spanish as a first language does not make you Hispanic. However Hispanic dates from atime when Portugal was not a seperate entity.
As Spain and Portugal have been seperate entities for many years, not a term I have heard used before in common parlance. I think I would have gone for Iberian before Hispanic. The only other term I can think of that is comparable is Scandinavian.
Latino I must admit I thought had some reference to Latin the language. But it means anybody in the Americas ex USA and Canada - Latin America.
So in answer to the lady whose Husband is Spanish, he could be called Hispanic but certainly not Latino. But the again looking at my ancestory (half Welsh) I know there is a Welsh community in Argentinia, and German etc etc, so they could be called Latino's but not Hispanic!
Hispanic would cover anybody Spanish or of Spanish descent. So speaking Spanish as a first language does not make you Hispanic. However Hispanic dates from atime when Portugal was not a seperate entity.
As Spain and Portugal have been seperate entities for many years, not a term I have heard used before in common parlance. I think I would have gone for Iberian before Hispanic. The only other term I can think of that is comparable is Scandinavian.
Latino I must admit I thought had some reference to Latin the language. But it means anybody in the Americas ex USA and Canada - Latin America.
So in answer to the lady whose Husband is Spanish, he could be called Hispanic but certainly not Latino. But the again looking at my ancestory (half Welsh) I know there is a Welsh community in Argentinia, and German etc etc, so they could be called Latino's but not Hispanic!
The logic of "labels" is ridiculous-there are just too many flavors of people in the world. If one just looks at the African continent- to be an "African American", one could be lily white (as the Copts of Egypt), to Arab, to Beduin, to Black.
I am all for a little national pride for a few generations, whether it be Irish, Chinese, Itialian, Nigerian, or Whatever- American, but after a while it just gets ridiculous.
Apr 6th 2004, 4:15 am
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Completely agree, I did not understand why the 'authorities' pick out Hispanics - however defined.
Still do not.
Still do not.
