Debunking U.S. Myths
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My brother had a prom party from school in Stockport in 1996 when he was 16. The boys all had to wear tuxedos and the girls wore really nice dresses and all had their hair, nails and make up done. They went on an executive bus to a well known hotel in Cheshire. That was the first time I had heard of a prom party in England.
Just before we left England 3 years ago our local secondary school were having their prom party and I drove past the school. Every girl arrived in a limo and every child looked fantastic. Once again they went to a lovely hotel in Cheshire.
My nephew has just had a prom party in Bury and has sent us some photos and once again all of them look fantastic and lots of limos can be seen in the background. His best friend arrived on the back of his Dad's customised Harley and to be truthful I would have thought the photos were taken somewhere in US not Bury.
So some secondary schools in the UK do have prom parties and they seem to be on par with the US.
The day I finished secondary school was no different than any other school day apart from some kids changing out of their uniforms and ripping them to bits. Only about a quarter of the leavers went on to 6th form to take A levels including myself but when most of my friends were working and earning money I dropped out of 6th form and got myself a job.
Looking back I wish I had carried on with my A levels but lack of further education certainly hasn't really been a drawback for me. When I married it was my salary that was the main factor in getting a mortgage as my husband was still doing his degree on day release and his salary was next to nothing. However once he got his degree his salary kept on increasing whereas mine seemed to only increase with the rate of inflation.
Just before we left England 3 years ago our local secondary school were having their prom party and I drove past the school. Every girl arrived in a limo and every child looked fantastic. Once again they went to a lovely hotel in Cheshire.
My nephew has just had a prom party in Bury and has sent us some photos and once again all of them look fantastic and lots of limos can be seen in the background. His best friend arrived on the back of his Dad's customised Harley and to be truthful I would have thought the photos were taken somewhere in US not Bury.
So some secondary schools in the UK do have prom parties and they seem to be on par with the US.
The day I finished secondary school was no different than any other school day apart from some kids changing out of their uniforms and ripping them to bits. Only about a quarter of the leavers went on to 6th form to take A levels including myself but when most of my friends were working and earning money I dropped out of 6th form and got myself a job.
Looking back I wish I had carried on with my A levels but lack of further education certainly hasn't really been a drawback for me. When I married it was my salary that was the main factor in getting a mortgage as my husband was still doing his degree on day release and his salary was next to nothing. However once he got his degree his salary kept on increasing whereas mine seemed to only increase with the rate of inflation.
#77
Re: Debunking U.S. Myths
Originally Posted by mandpete
So some secondary schools in the UK do have prom parties and they seem to be on par with the US.
Havent' seen that...have seen a few schools hold a piss up for when people have finished school after A-levels though...but as far as I know, the money for it was raised by the kids and it was organised by the kids after school hours...can't speak for all the schools in the US, but where MIL teaches and a few other districts in the area, they have the graduation party as part of the school budget, and they rotate it around every year to have different teachers organise parts of the party...and the schools a skint school...
#78
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Re: Debunking U.S. Myths
Originally Posted by Bob
What when they've finished there gcse's?
Havent' seen that...have seen a few schools hold a piss up for when people have finished school after A-levels though...but as far as I know, the money for it was raised by the kids and it was organised by the kids after school hours...can't speak for all the schools in the US, but where MIL teaches and a few other districts in the area, they have the graduation party as part of the school budget, and they rotate it around every year to have different teachers organise parts of the party...and the schools a skint school...
Havent' seen that...have seen a few schools hold a piss up for when people have finished school after A-levels though...but as far as I know, the money for it was raised by the kids and it was organised by the kids after school hours...can't speak for all the schools in the US, but where MIL teaches and a few other districts in the area, they have the graduation party as part of the school budget, and they rotate it around every year to have different teachers organise parts of the party...and the schools a skint school...
#79
Re: Debunking U.S. Myths
Originally Posted by mandpete
My brother had a prom party from school in Stockport in 1996 when he was 16. The boys all had to wear tuxedos and the girls wore really nice dresses and all had their hair, nails and make up done. They went on an executive bus to a well known hotel in Cheshire. That was the first time I had heard of a prom party in England.
Just before we left England 3 years ago our local secondary school were having their prom party and I drove past the school. Every girl arrived in a limo and every child looked fantastic. Once again they went to a lovely hotel in Cheshire.
My nephew has just had a prom party in Bury and has sent us some photos and once again all of them look fantastic and lots of limos can be seen in the background. His best friend arrived on the back of his Dad's customised Harley and to be truthful I would have thought the photos were taken somewhere in US not Bury.
So some secondary schools in the UK do have prom parties and they seem to be on par with the US.
The day I finished secondary school was no different than any other school day apart from some kids changing out of their uniforms and ripping them to bits. Only about a quarter of the leavers went on to 6th form to take A levels including myself but when most of my friends were working and earning money I dropped out of 6th form and got myself a job.
Looking back I wish I had carried on with my A levels but lack of further education certainly hasn't really been a drawback for me. When I married it was my salary that was the main factor in getting a mortgage as my husband was still doing his degree on day release and his salary was next to nothing. However once he got his degree his salary kept on increasing whereas mine seemed to only increase with the rate of inflation.
Just before we left England 3 years ago our local secondary school were having their prom party and I drove past the school. Every girl arrived in a limo and every child looked fantastic. Once again they went to a lovely hotel in Cheshire.
My nephew has just had a prom party in Bury and has sent us some photos and once again all of them look fantastic and lots of limos can be seen in the background. His best friend arrived on the back of his Dad's customised Harley and to be truthful I would have thought the photos were taken somewhere in US not Bury.
So some secondary schools in the UK do have prom parties and they seem to be on par with the US.
The day I finished secondary school was no different than any other school day apart from some kids changing out of their uniforms and ripping them to bits. Only about a quarter of the leavers went on to 6th form to take A levels including myself but when most of my friends were working and earning money I dropped out of 6th form and got myself a job.
Looking back I wish I had carried on with my A levels but lack of further education certainly hasn't really been a drawback for me. When I married it was my salary that was the main factor in getting a mortgage as my husband was still doing his degree on day release and his salary was next to nothing. However once he got his degree his salary kept on increasing whereas mine seemed to only increase with the rate of inflation.
#80
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Originally Posted by jumping doris
Lots of prom parties here. (north West uk) and have been for a few years. Just ordered the limo for my 16 year old and her friends. Dress being made by friends, nail appointment yet to be made. We saw a Hummer limo the other day but we haven't gone that OTT Here the students organise the prom themselves, booking the venue etc.
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Originally Posted by Guelder Rose
And, boy, do they make a big fuss when the children 'graduate' 'knowing next to nothing' - we're getting fancy cards with ribbons attached announcing the high school graduation of various people (children of friends of my husband).
I mentioned to my husband that in the UK we just finish school at sixteen; our parents don't send out fancy cards, nor do we have any fancy ceremony or lavish parties to celebrate the fact (well, not that I know of) - he said that graduating from high school is something to be very proud of as you have completed that part of your education and that people in the UK are boring and don't know how to enjoy life? He has visited the UK a few times, and for some reason is still of the firm belief that the UK has nothing to offer children other than mind numbing boredom!
I've also noticed that there also seems to be some kind of 'graduation' ceremony/party (not sure which, might be both?) for when the children finish middle school ... being from the UK, I just find it all a bit OTT.
God knows what the parents do when their children finish Uni?
I mentioned to my husband that in the UK we just finish school at sixteen; our parents don't send out fancy cards, nor do we have any fancy ceremony or lavish parties to celebrate the fact (well, not that I know of) - he said that graduating from high school is something to be very proud of as you have completed that part of your education and that people in the UK are boring and don't know how to enjoy life? He has visited the UK a few times, and for some reason is still of the firm belief that the UK has nothing to offer children other than mind numbing boredom!
I've also noticed that there also seems to be some kind of 'graduation' ceremony/party (not sure which, might be both?) for when the children finish middle school ... being from the UK, I just find it all a bit OTT.
God knows what the parents do when their children finish Uni?
Hello,
I know it is hard for the English to understand our custom of graduation from high school. My husband is new to the U.S. and he could not understand why we celebrate it. I had to explain that the reason Americans make such a big deal out of graduation from high school is that parents think that their children worked hard for the diploma. Most children just scrape by with education in this country some are barely able to read and understand.
I am American and I feel really feel sad for some of the children of this country. If you live in a prosperous town or city in America and you pay a lot taxes your children might get a good education. I have a cousin in England who is 16 years old. I was blown away by her knowledge and I looked at her books from school and i felt a bit ashamed because we don't have anything that close in America in teaching our children. I lived in England for two years and the children that I met in England are very mature for their ages. I am truly impressed with English education. I think America needs to lessons from it cousins from across the pond.
#82
Re: Debunking U.S. Myths
Originally Posted by Jabba1
Edwords, are you attempting to initiate a brawl?
One thing I'm sure the US does come first in is, is the number of obese and severely overweight people per capita. Suprised that wasn't in there. NOT.
#83
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Originally Posted by SarahUK
One thing I'm sure the US does come first in is, is the number of obese and severely overweight people per capita. Suprised that wasn't in there. NOT.
#84
Re: Debunking U.S. Myths
Originally Posted by Bob
Well it's not just not celebrated in the UK though...I haven't seen it celebrated in Japan, it's not celebrated in most of europe either...and seeing the amount of money spent on highschool graduations with limo's etc...it is a bit extravagant.
On the flip side, I think it's weird to think of kids just "leaving school", literally walking out of school one day and never going back, not having a ceremony or diplomas or caps and gowns, not sending out invitations to have your family and friends share in your celebration, etc.
Does that mean I think it's wrong that the British don't celebrate high school graduations? No, of course not -- it's just different from my cultural experience.
BTW, regarding limos at graduation... I could see that happening in Beverly Hills, but not your average American town or city. It sounds like you're confusing prom with graduation? Many teenagers pool together their money to share a limo for prom, but I've never heard of or seen families getting limos to go to graduation ceremonies in. My family certainly didn't, nor did any of my friends' families. As it happens, I never took a limo to prom, either -- and I went to three of them!
~ Jenney
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Actually the high school in our old town in England used to hold a graduation prom. I think graduating from High school is worthy of a party and I quite like it. But graduation from kindergarten as well?
#86
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Originally Posted by ImHere
Actually the high school in our old town in England used to hold a graduation prom. I think graduating from High school is worthy of a party and I quite like it. But graduation from kindergarten as well?
For those of you who are inevitably going to say that the the same thing could be said about high school, for the record I worked extremely hard in high school and had a very difficult workload, so not ALL American students are slackers, ok?!
~ Jenney
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Originally Posted by Jenney & Mark
On the flip side, I think it's weird to think of kids just "leaving school", literally walking out of school one day and never going back, not having a ceremony or diplomas or caps and gowns, not sending out invitations to have your family and friends share in your celebration, etc.
That sort of thing. I can understand that, back in the day, when a kid could get a good job if they walked out of high school (US) at 17, you'd want to encourage your kids to stay in school by giving them some kind of reward, but rewarding them for something, which in Britain at any rate they're legally obliged to do, seems a little over the top. Like throwing a party everytime a kid wakes up in the morning.
So, anyway, you have this tradition, and we don't. Not surprisingly, as 90% of all US traditions do, it somehow involves forking out hundreds of dollars in cash. Not surprisingly, we take umbrage with it.
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Originally Posted by Ridski
I think a lot of Brits find it quite strange that Americans should celebrate doing something they're supposed to do. "My kid graduated high school!!!" Well, DUH!!! That what they're SUPPOSED to do!
...rewarding them for something, which in Britain at any rate they're legally obliged to do, seems a little over the top. Like throwing a party everytime a kid wakes up in the morning.
Secondly, while it may be illegal for British children not to graduate from high school (I don't know if it is or not), it is NOT illegal for a child not to graduate from high school in the US. In fact, many (most?) states allow students to voluntarily drop out of school at 16 years old. Not the smartest move to make, but it's permitted all the same.
So, anyway, you have this tradition, and we don't. Not surprisingly, as 90% of all US traditions do, it somehow involves forking out hundreds of dollars in cash. Not surprisingly, we take umbrage with it.
Cap & Gown -- $15-20
Diploma -- provided and paid for by the school
Ceremony -- provided and paid for by the school
After my high school graduation, our family and friends went back to our house for hors d'oeuvres, then sat around chatting for a couple of hours. Later my friend picked me up to go to the All-Night Graduation party arranged (and paid for) by the PTA for all the graduates to attend if they wanted to. They had a "casino" (with fake money) and door prizes, a luau and swimming (it was held at the local rec center). Mostly it was an opportunity for me to spend time with my friends one last time before our lives took us in different directions.
I just find it a bit bizarre that people are finding something negative about celebrating one of life's milestones -- graduating from high school. I guess because it's an American tradition that automatically means it's frivolous, right? If this was a typical British custom then it would be seen entirely differently, I suspect...
~ Jenney
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Re: Debunking U.S. Myths
Originally Posted by Jenney & Mark
I just find it a bit bizarre that people are finding something negative about celebrating one of life's milestones -- graduating from high school. I guess because it's an American tradition that automatically means it's frivolous, right? If this was a typical British custom then it would be seen entirely differently, I suspect...
~ Jenney
~ Jenney
#90
Re: Debunking U.S. Myths
Originally Posted by Jenney & Mark
Cap & Gown -- $15-20
Diploma -- provided and paid for by the school
Ceremony -- provided and paid for by the school
Diploma -- provided and paid for by the school
Ceremony -- provided and paid for by the school
Originally Posted by Jenney & Mark
I guess because it's an American tradition that automatically means it's frivolous, right?