Paulgani

Sorry, but the answer to question #10 is absolutely top secret. As you can see my
return address has been encrypted so only the John Nash's of the world could contact
me privately!

Paulgani

"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Still waiting for answers.
    > "paulgani" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > OK, maybe you don't have a sense of humo(u)r, but you ARE really funny!
    > >
    > > Paulgani
    > >
    > > "rogerpenycate" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > Michael J Young (does the J stand for Judge ?) I promised earlier that I would
    > > > not rise to the bait however, you are one arrogant son of a bitch. You, Sir,
    > > > have rabbited on so long on this thread, and all of a
sudden,
    > > > as of 2 days ago you are in the same boat of the rest of us. Well done for
    > > > admitting this on day one. So she has become a CPR since the 8th August,
    > > > suggests to me that she hasn't been in the States or perhaps married to you for
    > > > very long. Also the fact that she doesn't "whine all day long" is probably
    > > > because she hasn't been in the US for very long (CPR !!) Correct me if I'm
    > > > wrong....... A CPR is someone who has "recently" been married to a US Citizen
    > > > (how
am
    > > > I doing so far..Redneck) That suggests to me that she hasn't been in the US for
    > > > very long (How
am
    > > > I doing) Which aslo suggests to me that you haven't lived together for very
long
    > > > (How am I doing) Which also suggests to me that she hasn't yet decided (apart
    > > > from your brainwashing) whether or not she wnats to become a Citizen.
    > > >
    > > > Here's a few questions for you which may make the rest of us take you seriuosly
    > > > or not.
    > > > 1/. From which country is your wife.
    > > > 2/. When and how did you meet her
    > > > 3/. When and where were you married.
    > > > 4/. How long were you with her, immediatly before your wedding
    > > > 5/. Have you said to her "You must become a citizen otherwise I will not marry
    > > > you"
    > > > 6/. Did she undertsand what you were saying.
    > > > 7/. Does your "alien wife" know you are on the internet slagging off other
    > > > aliens, some probably from her country.
    > > > 8/. Can you quote the bill of rights
    > > > 9/. Complete the following "We know these truths to be self
    > > > evident..............
    > > > 10/. Can you give me the email of Paulgani who you replied to join his little
    > > > racist group
    > > > 11/.How do you know that I am not from the INS checking up on your "marriage"
    > > > 12/. Do you know how to spell Chauvinist Pig "she is very happy to be here
    > > > zzzzzzzzzzz
    > > > 13/. And I remind you I am from the UK ... Name the 11 states who orginally
    > > > went to war against the Union
    > > > 14/. Where is "Tara"
    > > > 15/. name 4 states of America that are conected to food and the
chicken.
    > > > 16/. If it had not been for......................(which country) (6 etters
    > > > beginning with F...........
    > > >
    > > > If you cannot answer all of these questions, I suggest that you "butt out and
    > > > let us aliens who do know the answers join you in the "Land of oppurtunity"
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
    > > >
    > >
    > >

Gentledoe

Underclass?? Youw wife might ne under your class and its her choice.. Foreigners are
not underclass as you say..


"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "Quinkman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > << Subject: Re: Culture shock? From: "Michael D. Young" [email protected] Date:
    > > Sat, Aug 10, 2002 9:16 PM Message-id: <[email protected]>
    > > >>
    > >
    > >
    > > << Yes an as of 08/08/2002 she is a conditional permanent resident
alien,
    > who
    > > intends to become a U.S. citizen. Who doesn't whine everyday she misses home and
    > > back home things were better. She is very happy here with me
and
    > > doesn't intend to ever go back.
    > >
    > > Take care,
    > >
    > > Mike
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > >>
    > >
    > >
    > > now she's a true American, thank you Mike
    > >
    > > PS: they don't get it
    > No she isn't. She's a conditional permanent resident. She isn't a
citizen.
    > She isn't an American. She's part of the foreign underclass. Apply your
    > standards evenly.

Pussycat

He was being sarcastic and referring to a previous poster who referred to all non
citizens as an "underclass". Steve is one of USC's on the "side" of the foreigners
and resents the way other USC's negate them.

This isn't the sort of thread you can just pick bits out of otherwise you're bound to
make little mistakes like this - you have to read it all. Sadly. But I wouldn't
recommend it.

-- cat


"GentleDoe" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Underclass?? Youw wife might ne under your class and its her choice.. Foreigners
    > are not underclass as you say..
    > "Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Quinkman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > > << Subject: Re: Culture shock? From: "Michael D. Young" [email protected] Date:
    > > > Sat, Aug 10, 2002 9:16 PM Message-id: <[email protected]>
    > > > >>
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > << Yes an as of 08/08/2002 she is a conditional permanent resident
    > alien,
    > > who
    > > > intends to become a U.S. citizen. Who doesn't whine everyday she
misses
    > > > home and back home things were better. She is very happy here with me
    > and
    > > > doesn't intend to ever go back.
    > > >
    > > > Take care,
    > > >
    > > > Mike
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > >>
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > now she's a true American, thank you Mike
    > > >
    > > > PS: they don't get it
    > >
    > > No she isn't. She's a conditional permanent resident. She isn't a
    > citizen.
    > > She isn't an American. She's part of the foreign underclass. Apply
your
    > > standards evenly.
    > >
    > >

Michael D. Young

rogerpenycate <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
    > Michael J Young

Hi All!

Sorry, that I didn't answer right away, but had to put computer in shop and registar
for Google.

    > 1/. From which country is your wife.

Philippies

    > 2/. When and how did you meet her

June 2001 Interduced by sister

    > 3/. When and where were you married.

May 02, 2002

    > 4/. How long were you with her, immediatly before your wedding

Arrived on April 17th on K-1

    > 5/. Have you said to her "You must become a citizen otherwise I will not
    > marry you"

No, but she know I want her to do it. She is studying the questions already

    > 6/. Did she undertsand what you were saying.

If you mean does she speak and understand English? Yes

    > 7/. Does your "alien wife" know you are on the internet slagging off other aliens,
    > some probably from her country.

She knows I don't like the Philippines and I have never said anything against people
other than they should come here with the intention to become a citizen and the U.S.
is the best country in the world to
live. I have yet to call anyone a name.

    > 8/. Can you quote the bill of rights

No not off the top of my head, but I was born here, so I didn't need to take a test
to become a citizen, but I'm sure in my 12 years of school I did at some time.

    > 9/. Complete the following "We know these truths to be self evident..............

Not of the top of my head, but I know it's from the Declaration Of Independece:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they
are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights,
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of
the governed.

Government gets their power from the concent of the governed, i.e. citizens to secure
these rights.

    > 10/. Can you give me the email of Paulgani who you replied to join his little
    > racist group

Again just shows you have no sense of humor

    > 11/.How do you know that I am not from the INS checking up on your "marriage"

Come on over, just call first. LOL

    > 12/. Do you know how to spell Chauvinist Pig "she is very happy to be here
    > zzzzzzzzzzz

She love me and is happy to be with me. If that makes me a pig, then oink oink. LOL

    > 13/. And I remind you I am from the UK ... Name the 11 states who orginally went to
    > war against the Union

VA, NC, SC, GA, TN, KY, FL come to mind, but again I have already passed my American
History classes long ago.

    > 14/. Where is "Tara"

You talking about plantation in "Gone With The Wind?" Been a while since I saw the
movie, but frankly I don't give a damn Scarlet. LOL

    > 15/. name 4 states of America that are conected to food and the chicken.

I think KFC is in every state. LOL

    > 16/. If it had not been for......................(which country) (6 etters
    > beginning with F...........

Sorry teacher, but you stumped me on this one.

Truthfully that citizenship test is a waste of time. You would have to be brain dead
not to be able to remember the answers to 100 questions. I would give more weight to
being able to speak, write and understand English to becoming a citizen.

Take care,

Mike

ms_bhon

This reply is directed to the OP- Shannon... I shall refrain getting in the middle
of fruitless arguments with certain myopic individuals. From my original
reply, one could deduce that I even may have misinterpreted Shannon's
original statement. I'm glad you and some of your more elequent
countrypersons elaborated on the point you were trying to make. I admit I
was slightly insulted at first, until I read on.
I've got a couple of more points to add:
* Black Hawk Down was actually directed by an Englishman, Ridley Scott, and
a number of the production staff were actually British.
* I posed your quandry to my Lonely Planet friends- some of whom I've met in
person, and two of them with boyfriends that are American (they're not) ,
and I got replies that helped me to understand more what you were trying to
say. In addition, my dear friend of 12 years- a British woman whom I met
whilst she was travelling in the states in her early 20's came to visit me
this past weekend with her 14 month old daughter. From Dallas- where she she
and her Scottish husband now live, and have been living for the past 4 years. He works for a high tech company down
there. She said its funny- some times days- weeks even go by when she
doesn't feel like she lives in a "foreign" country. And we're talking
Dallas- not exactly, liberal, open minded Seattle. But strangley enough,
having a child has finally allowed her to make alot more friends- some
British, one Irish, one South African, many Americans- other mothers. She
has a part time job in a "Brit" shop that allows her to easily get papers
from home and goodies like chocolate Hob Nobs, etc.
She lives right down the street from a whole foods so she is able to get
good bread and foods not loaded down with added sugar. She and her husband
drive smaller, fuel efficient cars. Our friendship has transcended years and
distance (all the years she was living in London and Edinburgh, and now
Dallas) I know that we will continue to be friends until we're both old and
grey. Like my husband, her "Britishness" is part of who she is, defines her
to a certain extent, but is not all of who she is. She knows they would feel
alot more at home in an east coast city where people actually walk around
places and the archetecture is a bit older and electic. Nonetheless, she has
made a home with her husband, they have started a family, they're
together, and happy for the most part. Eventually, they'd like to move back one day, just to be closer to
both of their families.
My husband knows if he ever wants to move back I would have no problem
moving with him. I've got a lot of friends in the UK myself, and except for
London housing prices, I find the lifestyle agreeable.
But for now, my husband and I agreed to make our life here, in the US. I've
got even more friends here, my family is here, and my husband, having lived
in Egypt for 2 years, is finding the US even easier to adjust to than there. But like I
said, fortunetly, like my friend who just visited me's friends in Edinburgh
and my husband's friends that I've met so far- we're all cut from the same
cloth- birds of a feather and all that. Our countries of origin may differ,
but I've got more in common with them than I do plenty of people who share
my country of origin. I will always be proud of the good things my country
has to offer, and just as proud as the open society that it is that allows
us to criticise its flaws. We share this with other open societies, Britain
among them.

For the short time I lived in London, the thing that helped me adjust
immediately was the wealth of friends I made, and already had, most of which
I still keep in good touch with. All part of that circle - the birds of a
feather I was speaking about. So I would say to you Shannon- I'm not saying
you should lose your "britishness". What I'm saying is perhaps you need to
make some friends here that will accept it as part of you, but will know
that it defines only part of you. Friends that you would have have no matter
where you all are from. Seattle's a wonderful city. Full of beautiful
scenery and ethnic diversity. I think you owe it to yourself and your
husband and child to try to find a way to be happy there. Good luck to you.

rogerpenycate

Mike,
Nice one.
Hopefully as you see from some of my questions I have
got a "bit of" a sense of humour, and the other questions
were tongue in cheek anyway.

Good luck to you
Roger

rogerpenycate

BTW.......Although some of them may not be called the same thing in the US, these are some UK ones.
Baked Alaska (a hot dessert) Chicken Maryland,
Florida Salad, Rhode Island (Red), Main(e) course !!
Mississippi Mud Pie, and of course, KFC

Roger

NC Penguin

Prior to moving to the US, I lived in London all my life but frequently travelled overseas and within the UK. I saw how foreigners and in particular the British are viewed overseas. I travelled independently and by doing so had greater contact with the local communities in the countries I visited.

To quote John Donne-
No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine...

L D Jones

Alex Wilson wrote:
[ ... ]
    > the funniest thing to me is, that all you "natural citizens" are basically born of
    > immigrants in the first place, you can slag off the other 3rd world foreigners all
    > you want, but until you talk to me in cherokee, navajo or a similar native tongue
    > to the americas you can shut the **** up!

However, plenty of this slagging off occurs in other places too, like the UK

ms_bhon

NC-
"Despite the British input in the film, Black Hawk Down, I'm sure that the finance (and clout) behind the film was American. It is without question that the American film market is the biggest in the world and it makes economic sense to make films where the financers of film can reap maximum rewards. It's open to debate if this outlook results in films that would educate filmgoers about what goes on outside the US (in the case of Black Hawk Down). "

I'm not actually disputing this in my statement. I know this to be true. I worked in the film business here in the US for 13 years. 7 years ago I was in Sydney for the film festival and got to sit thru lots of disussion bashing the US film making "machine" I kept my mouth shut, as I enjoy smaller independant films made elsewhere in addition to US made films, but it was my paychecks from working on "12 Monkeys" that financed this trip abroad. Ironically, since them film work in the US has declined and many more films are being made in Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. 2000 was such a slow year for me, that I'm now doing something else. 2 friends have emigrated to Canada to join the film scene there.

"If one were to consume only American media, be it newspapers, TV, video, films, adverts, etc. and NOT search out foreign produced media, one would be believe the US to be the greatest country in the world. '
I would have to dsipute this slightly and subsititute "alternative" for foreign. There are plenty of publications like the Utne Reader and news organizations like Radio Pacifica that are US based that show an alternate point of view- but yes, you are right, one must seek them out.

"Let's face it, the US is not made up of big, cosmopolitan cities. The norm are smaller cities and towns where foreign foods are not found in any quantity in the supermarkets or food stores.

It is not practical nor environmentally friendly to drive 20 miles to a store regularly to get healthier food. In any case, Americans are suffering healthwise from consuming American foodstuffs (high fat, high sugar, high cholestrol, over refining). "

Again, no argument here, but the OP lives in Seattle, not Souix Falls. The amount of healthy food available there conveniently is considerable. One thing I noticed, and liked, about Seattle.
Again, no arguments about America's eating habits in general. And the supersizing of everything. Irks me (and my waistline ;-) ), too. I try to make the effort to eat healthily, however. And cen I tell you that when I go to visit my (English) mother in law, I'm the first one off to the store to buy green vegetables. Her idea of green veg is overcooked brussel sprouts. Its a challenge for her to cook for her (other) vegetarian son, whereas I have a whole plethora or recipes in my repitoire to pull from. The healthy eating habits thing is not necessarily societal or determined by ethnicity in reagrds to Britain/US. Some of it is generational.
But I will agree there's entirely too many additives and sugar in American foods. I try to "shop the perimeter" in the supermarket, and hit the farmer's markets on the weekends.

My idea that good friends, among other factors, are most important in determining a person's happiness in living someplace, and how "at home" they feel there, I think would be echoed by others. Talking to my visiting friend this weekend, she was remembering how miserable she was living in London. She didn't have many close friends and was much happier in Edinburgh, where she has lots and lots of close friends. As the love of her life got a job in Dallas, she moved there to be with him. At first, also miserable due to the lack of friends, she seems much happier now that she has some. They may not even be quite as "bird of a feather" as she's used to but they all have the trails and joys of motherhood in common, and that *is* something.

Shannon was shaken by the opinions and one sidedness of the people she was hanging with... my solution- find some friends she has more in common with.

L D Jones

scotsman-usa wrote:
    > Hi,
[ ... ]
    > city" and having some much more to do! If he decided not to become a citizen to to
    > have dual citizenship it would not bother me in the least!

He does not have to give up British citizenship to become a US citizen. In fact, it
would be quite difficult to do so (it's not automatic).

L D Jones

rogerpenycate wrote:
    > Michael J Young (does the J stand for Judge ?) I promised earlier that I would not
    > rise to the bait however, you are one arrogant son of a bitch.

[ list of questions ]

    > If you cannot answer all of these questions, I suggest that you "butt out and let
    > us aliens who do know the answers join you in the "Land of oppurtunity"

This is a bit much isn't it? All the guy said was that he thinks anyone who emigrates
to the US should eventually become a US citizen. He's entitled to his opinion and you
to yours. Most people in the thread seem to disagree with what he says but it's only
a usenet discussion thread and has little importance in the scheme of things.

What does it matter where his wife is from or how long she has been in the US? Why
should he answer these questions? I don't think he's arrogant at all. Slightly
amusing, perhaps. I think many people are reading far too much into what he said.

Squire

In article <[email protected]>, NC Penguin
<[email protected]> writes
    >To quote John Donne- No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of
    >the Continent, a part of the maine...

To quote The Times, about 1937

Fog in channel, Continent cut off


--
squire Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. (Groucho)

Shannon

I agree, absolutely. I think the fact that I moved quickly and easily into a like-minded community in Australia was why I felt so "at home". In Indonesia I anticipated the cultural differences so was far more accomodating - it was a remote village without electricity so you couldn't really expect the home comforts. At first

I guess the US suprised me because I had expected a similarly easy "integration" - meaning I expected to find friends and common ground. By chance or culture or whatever mix of the two its been a bit harder than expected. Still, I've only been in Seattle 18 months so its early days.

Shannon

Gentledoe

I am sorry and my apologies.. I wasn't post to him... you know who I refer to..

"pussycat" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > He was being sarcastic and referring to a previous poster who referred to all non
    > citizens as an "underclass". Steve is one of USC's on the "side"
of
    > the foreigners and resents the way other USC's negate them.
    > This isn't the sort of thread you can just pick bits out of otherwise
you're
    > bound to make little mistakes like this - you have to read it all. Sadly. But I
    > wouldn't recommend it.
    > -- cat
    > "GentleDoe" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > Underclass?? Youw wife might ne under your class and its her choice.. Foreigners
    > > are not underclass as you say..
    > >
    > >
    > > "Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > "Quinkman" <[email protected]> wrote in message [url="news:20020811003105.08577-[/q3]
[q3]> > > [email protected]"]news:[email protected][/url-
    > > > ]...
    > > > > << Subject: Re: Culture shock? From: "Michael D. Young" [email protected]
    > > > > Date: Sat, Aug 10, 2002 9:16 PM Message-id: <[email protected]>
    > > > > >>
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > << Yes an as of 08/08/2002 she is a conditional permanent resident
    > > alien,
    > > > who
    > > > > intends to become a U.S. citizen. Who doesn't whine everyday she
    > misses
    > > > > home and back home things were better. She is very happy here with
me
    > > and
    > > > > doesn't intend to ever go back.
    > > > >
    > > > > Take care,
    > > > >
    > > > > Mike
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > >>
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > now she's a true American, thank you Mike
    > > > >
    > > > > PS: they don't get it
    > > >
    > > > No she isn't. She's a conditional permanent resident. She isn't a
    > > citizen.
    > > > She isn't an American. She's part of the foreign underclass. Apply
    > your
    > > > standards evenly.
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >