CHIP & PIN Credit cards
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CHIP & PIN Credit cards
I've just requested that our existing credit card from a US credit union be changed to a CHIP and PIN card. My existing Amex card was up for renewal and although they don't do CHIP and PIN, they do have CHIP and Signature, which I now have.
We're off for a long trip to Australia in July and while I know that our old technology cards should work fine, I'm hoping that the new cards will be more difficult to clone (which is what happened last year during our long trip to the UK and Europe).
We're off for a long trip to Australia in July and while I know that our old technology cards should work fine, I'm hoping that the new cards will be more difficult to clone (which is what happened last year during our long trip to the UK and Europe).
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Re: CHIP & PIN Credit cards
I've had an Amex "chip and signature" card for ages. Never had anyone do anything other than swipe it though, here and in the UK. Is there some special feature I'm missing?
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Surprisingly, chip & pin cards are getting harder to find in the US!
I managed to get them for our trip back home last year, but when my wife's boss tried to get one for a European study trip a month or so ago, he was unsuccessful - even from the same bank as me! He tried several others and was told the same thing, "We don't have those".
Luckily, another professor on the trip has a Dutch wife and regularly visits, so he had one they could use.
It seems like the US is going backwards in this respect!
I managed to get them for our trip back home last year, but when my wife's boss tried to get one for a European study trip a month or so ago, he was unsuccessful - even from the same bank as me! He tried several others and was told the same thing, "We don't have those".
Luckily, another professor on the trip has a Dutch wife and regularly visits, so he had one they could use.
It seems like the US is going backwards in this respect!
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I guess the idea is to eventually eliminate all magnetic stripe cards so that only CHIP machines are used in stores, and then copying the cards becomes much more difficult, but the USA is really slow to implement.
http://www.today.com/money/u-s-retai...ght-2D11971618
Smart cards have been around since the 1990s, but U.S. banks have stayed with the magnetic stripe – a security technology developed in the '60s.
In the last few years, they have issued millions of chip-enabled cards, but they're still a very small part of the total market.
Visa, MasterCard, American Express and Discover want the U.S. converted to PIN and chip security by October 2015. After that date, they say, fraud losses will shift to the retailer if they don’t have point-of-sale payment terminals that read smart cards.
In the last few years, they have issued millions of chip-enabled cards, but they're still a very small part of the total market.
Visa, MasterCard, American Express and Discover want the U.S. converted to PIN and chip security by October 2015. After that date, they say, fraud losses will shift to the retailer if they don’t have point-of-sale payment terminals that read smart cards.
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I've read somewhere that the cost of replacing all the cards and the retail transaction machines in the US far outweighs the credit card fraud costs that the card companies have to absorb. Barring any legislative requirement if that's the case, I won't hold out hope.
I did have a BA Visa card which did have a chip and PIN (one of their marketing pitches revolved around that) but lack of flight availability and them 2 times having to wait over an hour for a human on BAs exec club line (unsuccessfully) put paid to that. I like the Amex card as you get good cash back which can then be applied to flights - I've given up on flight affinity cards.
I did have a BA Visa card which did have a chip and PIN (one of their marketing pitches revolved around that) but lack of flight availability and them 2 times having to wait over an hour for a human on BAs exec club line (unsuccessfully) put paid to that. I like the Amex card as you get good cash back which can then be applied to flights - I've given up on flight affinity cards.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnsha...more-on-jumio/
Merchants in the United States are losing approximately $190 billion a year to credit card fraud – much of it online, according to a 2009 Lexis Nexis study – The True Cost of Fraud. Banks lose $11 billion and customers loses about 4.8 billion, so merchants lose almost twenty times as much as banks.
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I've read that as well, but this recent report cited by Forbes puts the fraud at $190 Billion/year which surely must dwarf the costs of retailers putting in new technology.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnsha...more-on-jumio/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnsha...more-on-jumio/
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This isn't as great as you think. C&P in England has been used to put the entire responsibility (and liability) for fraud onto the consumer. If your PIN was correctly entered for a disputed transaction, good luck successfully over turning the banks decision in their favour.
Fraud already occurs with C&P, here's a good example: http://markmail.org/message/qhhqiou7tbxfqpdz
Fraud already occurs with C&P, here's a good example: http://markmail.org/message/qhhqiou7tbxfqpdz
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This isn't as great as you think. C&P in England has been used to put the entire responsibility (and liability) for fraud onto the consumer. If your PIN was correctly entered for a disputed transaction, good luck successfully over turning the banks decision in their favour.
Fraud already occurs with C&P, here's a good example: http://markmail.org/message/qhhqiou7tbxfqpdz
Fraud already occurs with C&P, here's a good example: http://markmail.org/message/qhhqiou7tbxfqpdz
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C&P in itself is good system, the implementation of it in the UK leaves a LOT to be desired in terms of protecting consumers. Currently it is just used as a means to protect the banks from incurring losses as the burden of blame is automatically apportioned to the consumer (see above).
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Read: http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2...pin-is-broken/
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They are, being phased in over a couple years, starting with credit cards.
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C&P is fundamentally a broken system. The US will probably implement something just as broken.
Read: http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2...pin-is-broken/
Read: http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2...pin-is-broken/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...tech-cons.html
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I've had a C&P card from BoA for a while now. Worked flawlessly in the UK last year.