Bye-bye Green Card Lottery
May 14th 2013, 1:20 am
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Re: Bye-bye Green Card Lottery
I did comment upon it because it did seem appropriate.
Still do not understand how Wales, Scotland etc are not in it, can not imagine these Countries are over the limit.
Isle of Man would be empty if it was.
Still do not understand how Wales, Scotland etc are not in it, can not imagine these Countries are over the limit.
Isle of Man would be empty if it was.
May 14th 2013, 1:29 am
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Re: Bye-bye Green Card Lottery
Northern Ireland is given special treatment for the Diversity Lottery. So are Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan.
The Republic of Ireland does not receive special treatment since it is a sovereign state.
May 14th 2013, 1:36 am
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So the Channel Islands qualify.
Why is the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland would have similar status.
Why is the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland would have similar status.
May 14th 2013, 2:19 am
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Guernsey and Jersey do not qualify.
Isle of Man does not qualify.
Northern Ireland does qualify because it has been given a special status and may qualify on its own merits even if the United Kingdom does not.
Why is the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland would have similar status.
Northern Ireland does qualify because it has been given a special status and may qualify on its own merits even if the United Kingdom does not.
May 14th 2013, 3:30 am
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Re: Bye-bye Green Card Lottery
Wales and Scotland are part of the United Kingdom and are not separate states. Northern Ireland is also part of the UK and is also not a separate state, but is treated as one for the purposes of the diversity lottery by the US government. All of this will be irrelevant when this dreadful visa is consigned to history.
May 15th 2013, 2:09 am
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I always regarded it as a terrible idea. Highly skilled professionals with PhDs could only get temporary visas like H1Bs while Tom, Dick and Harry got PR immediately for entering a lottery. It's about time the US had a proper immigration system based on points like everywhere else, but internal politics means that can never happen.
May 15th 2013, 2:03 pm
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Re: Bye-bye Green Card Lottery
This lottery began as in the name of diversity, for a way to bring more white people to America. The earlier immigration laws, from the late1880's, favored Northern Europeans. In 1965, at the height of the civil rights struggle, Congress changed the laws to favor relatives of American citizens or permanent residents, whoever liked, and Asians, Africans, and Latin Americans came in record numbers, while European immigration lowered. This alarmed many members of Congress, who argued for legislation to change and get Irish, Germans, Italians, Poles, and others without immediate family members in the United States. As a result, in the 1990's, were a series of short lived diversity-visa programs to bring more European immigrants, especially English speakers from there, to the United States. 1992 to 1994, 40% of diversity visas were set from one country that is Ireland. Irish exception was expired, and in 1995, Congress decided the lottery must cover all worlds other than the countries that have much number in the immigrant pool
What we now know as the Diversity Visa (DV) program actually only came into effect in 1995. Countries were eligible for DV visas if they had sent less than 50,000 immigrants to the US in the previous 5 years. Ireland was still eligible under this new criteria - and Northern Ireland was treated separately. Ireland (even combined) obtained very few visas under the DV program.
To suggest that Irish American voters would be upset about the DV lottery ending is simply ridiculous when Ireland received so few DV visas (less than 0.004% in DV-2013). Has anyone heard that they are upset over this proposal? If they were going to be upset, wouldn't they have been more upset about the ending of the transitional program (1992-94) when they received a bigger share?
US immigration obviously needs a major overhaul. There is too much family-based immigration and not enough skills-based immigration. An overhaul doesn't necessarily mean that the DV program needs to end. Some people see it as a good way to make sure immigration is as diverse as possible. Some people don't like it.
Last edited by MarylandNed; May 15th 2013 at 2:16 pm.
May 20th 2013, 8:51 pm
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Re: Bye-bye Green Card Lottery
The Isle of Man isn't part of the UK, it has a very comprehensive customs treaty with the UK unlike Jersey and Guernsey but it is technically independent of the UK, has its own legislature, the Tynwald and makes its own laws. Not part of the EU for example although they did ratify the ECHR.
Because of the treaty you will notice in customs SIs for the UK that it often refers to "or Act of Tynwald" because the SI has to take into account Manx law.
http://www.tynwald.org.im
The Isle of Man has employment immigration controls on people who move there from the UK: http://www.gov.im/ded/workpermits/wp...l?menuid=21604
Because of the treaty you will notice in customs SIs for the UK that it often refers to "or Act of Tynwald" because the SI has to take into account Manx law.
http://www.tynwald.org.im
The Isle of Man has employment immigration controls on people who move there from the UK: http://www.gov.im/ded/workpermits/wp...l?menuid=21604
May 22nd 2013, 4:10 am
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Re: Bye-bye Green Card Lottery
Ah... you all spoke too soon, they're going to have a replacement for the DV: http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/legi...AS13447%29.pdf
The Congressional Black Caucus made a fuss so they've put a provision in to provide for E-3 nonimmigrant visas for people from sub-Saharan Africa and also the Caribbean, max of 10,500 a year. Criteria is similar as for the DV.
The Congressional Black Caucus made a fuss so they've put a provision in to provide for E-3 nonimmigrant visas for people from sub-Saharan Africa and also the Caribbean, max of 10,500 a year. Criteria is similar as for the DV.
May 23rd 2013, 7:36 pm
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Re: Bye-bye Green Card Lottery
I always regarded it as a terrible idea. Highly skilled professionals with PhDs could only get temporary visas like H1Bs while Tom, Dick and Harry got PR immediately for entering a lottery. It's about time the US had a proper immigration system based on points like everywhere else, but internal politics means that can never happen.
May 23rd 2013, 7:42 pm
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Re: Bye-bye Green Card Lottery
Pray explain?
May 24th 2013, 4:47 pm
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Yeah it seems like a perfectly reasonable view to me.
May 24th 2013, 5:52 pm
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Re: Bye-bye Green Card Lottery
Me too.
Of course, having already gone through immigration and got citizenship, it's easier for me to agree to a system that probably would have made it harder for me to enter in the first place ...
Of course, having already gone through immigration and got citizenship, it's easier for me to agree to a system that probably would have made it harder for me to enter in the first place ...