British citizenship for US born son?
#16
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Re: British citizenship for US born son?
Originally Posted by FlyergirlUK
I wanted to know the benefits of registering a birth as well but no-one could come up with an answer when I asked some time ago.
I just know that it is not necessary to register the birth with the UK Embassy but that my son is entitled to both British and American passports, (lucky bugger - and not one brush with the USCIS for him)!!
I just know that it is not necessary to register the birth with the UK Embassy but that my son is entitled to both British and American passports, (lucky bugger - and not one brush with the USCIS for him)!!
We just had a baby so I've been researching this too. I figure the advantage of registering the birth with the British Embassy is that you get a certificate proving British citizenship that doesn't expire. I'd rather have that for our daughter, than a 5 year passport that we'll have to keep renewing. We'll be getting her an American passport to travel on, so I figure she doesn't need a British one too.
I guess it just depends on whether you want some documentation that easily shows that your child is British. We don't plan on living in the UK in the future, but I feel better having something that will prove her British citizenship.
#17
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Re: British citizenship for US born son?
Originally Posted by lionheart
Hi All,
I am attempting to ensure that my son is a British citizen in addition to being a US citizen( dual nationality). From what the British consulate website says they recommend getting a US passport as my son is automatically a UK citizen by descent of his father being a British national. Is my understanding correct? Should I just apply for a US passport and there would be no issues with hime gaining entry into the UK?
Here is the link I read;
http://www.britainusa.com/sections/a...6&L3=1&a=25317
I am attempting to ensure that my son is a British citizen in addition to being a US citizen( dual nationality). From what the British consulate website says they recommend getting a US passport as my son is automatically a UK citizen by descent of his father being a British national. Is my understanding correct? Should I just apply for a US passport and there would be no issues with hime gaining entry into the UK?
Here is the link I read;
http://www.britainusa.com/sections/a...6&L3=1&a=25317
It took about 4 weeks from posting to receiving the document and his passport, all very efficient. As for Finnish nationality contact the Finnish embassy.
All the info you need is here:
http://www.britainusa.com/sections/a...=41016&a=25315
and:
http://www.britainusa.com/sections/a...=41001&a=25297
PM me if you need specific advice!!! Happy to help.
#18
Re: British citizenship for US born son?
Originally Posted by Jememennie
Hi there,
We just had a baby so I've been researching this too. I figure the advantage of registering the birth with the British Embassy is that you get a certificate proving British citizenship that doesn't expire. I'd rather have that for our daughter, than a 5 year passport that we'll have to keep renewing. We'll be getting her an American passport to travel on, so I figure she doesn't need a British one too.
I guess it just depends on whether you want some documentation that easily shows that your child is British. We don't plan on living in the UK in the future, but I feel better having something that will prove her British citizenship.
We just had a baby so I've been researching this too. I figure the advantage of registering the birth with the British Embassy is that you get a certificate proving British citizenship that doesn't expire. I'd rather have that for our daughter, than a 5 year passport that we'll have to keep renewing. We'll be getting her an American passport to travel on, so I figure she doesn't need a British one too.
I guess it just depends on whether you want some documentation that easily shows that your child is British. We don't plan on living in the UK in the future, but I feel better having something that will prove her British citizenship.
Incidenatally you don't get a 'citizenship cert' if the child is automatically British at birth - Britain doesn't issue citizenship certs to those automatically British - what you get is a consular birth certificate. As far as I am aware these are only issued to British citizen children.
Jeremy
#19
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Re: British citizenship for US born son?
Originally Posted by JAJ
Incidentally it's not always automatic for the child of a British father to be a British citizen. The two most common exceptions are (assuming the child is not British from the mother are):
1. Father is not married to the mother; or
2. Father is British 'by descent'
In many cases it's possible to register the child as a British citizen in these cases, but there are time limits so it's important to act quickly. Never assume the child is British unless it has a consular birth cert and an individual British passport (or a Home Office Certificate of Registration).
There have also been cases where the father is a British subject and not a British citizen. British subject status is not transmissable.
A consular birth certificate is well worth obtaining, as well as a British passport. It will save a lot of hassle later on.
Jeremy
1. Father is not married to the mother; or
2. Father is British 'by descent'
In many cases it's possible to register the child as a British citizen in these cases, but there are time limits so it's important to act quickly. Never assume the child is British unless it has a consular birth cert and an individual British passport (or a Home Office Certificate of Registration).
There have also been cases where the father is a British subject and not a British citizen. British subject status is not transmissable.
A consular birth certificate is well worth obtaining, as well as a British passport. It will save a lot of hassle later on.
Jeremy
So my grandson...who has unmarried parents the father being a Brit...may not get British citizenship so easy.....?? the baby is 3 months old.....
#20
Re: British citizenship for US born son?
Originally Posted by krizzy
So my grandson...who has unmarried parents the father being a Brit...may not get British citizenship so easy.....?? the baby is 3 months old.....
It won'd be a problem provided the father applies for the child to be registered as a British citizen. The child is not British until registered, and the application *must* be made before the child is 18, otherwise all claim to British citizenship is lost (unless parents marry).
There is no information available on the British Embassy website but I can assure you the facility exists.
This is the information published on the website of the High Commission in Canberra, which is useful as a guide:
http://bhc.britaus.net/passports/pas...ult.asp?id=376
He should write to the British Embassy and ask for the relevant forms and information in order to register the child as a British citizen under s3(1) of the British Nationality Act.
There will be a fee involved. The forms and documentation need to be submitted to the Embassy, and will be forwarded to the Home Office in the UK. After a few months, the Home Office will send back a Certificate of Registration for the child.
Jeremy
#21
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Re: British citizenship for US born son?
Originally Posted by JAJ
It won'd be a problem provided the father applies for the child to be registered as a British citizen. The child is not British until registered, and the application *must* be made before the child is 18, otherwise all claim to British citizenship is lost (unless parents marry).
There is no information available on the British Embassy website but I can assure you the facility exists.
This is the information published on the website of the High Commission in Canberra, which is useful as a guide:
http://bhc.britaus.net/passports/pas...ult.asp?id=376
He should write to the British Embassy and ask for the relevant forms and information in order to register the child as a British citizen under s3(1) of the British Nationality Act.
There will be a fee involved. The forms and documentation need to be submitted to the Embassy, and will be forwarded to the Home Office in the UK. After a few months, the Home Office will send back a Certificate of Registration for the child.
Jeremy
There is no information available on the British Embassy website but I can assure you the facility exists.
This is the information published on the website of the High Commission in Canberra, which is useful as a guide:
http://bhc.britaus.net/passports/pas...ult.asp?id=376
He should write to the British Embassy and ask for the relevant forms and information in order to register the child as a British citizen under s3(1) of the British Nationality Act.
There will be a fee involved. The forms and documentation need to be submitted to the Embassy, and will be forwarded to the Home Office in the UK. After a few months, the Home Office will send back a Certificate of Registration for the child.
Jeremy
Thanks for that......
#22
Re: British citizenship for US born son?
Originally Posted by Yorkieabroad
And don't get me started on that $2.10 a minute premium rate line!! If I pay that much at least I want the silly tart on the other end to tell me what color her knickers are!!! Oops, sorry, time for bed...
Ant
#23
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Joined: Jul 2005
Location: Ca
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Re: British citizenship for US born son?
I have been trying to register our daughter's birth and are struggling as I have lost a divorce certificate from a previous marriage. We are both British citizens and have all other certs. The 2.10 per min help line was hopeless
Anyone have any experience of this or ideas as to how to register her birth? would we have more luck if we were in the UK?
Thanks
Anyone have any experience of this or ideas as to how to register her birth? would we have more luck if we were in the UK?
Thanks
Originally Posted by Muswell Hill
I did this a few months ago. My wife (USC) and I (UKC) had a boy. I downloaded the form to register his birth from the embassy website, and passport application form. We applied for his US passport first, and when that arrived sent the registration of a birth abroad form, or whatever it's called, to the embassy together with the passport application form, photos, documents and lots of MONEY!
It took about 4 weeks from posting to receiving the document and his passport, all very efficient. As for Finnish nationality contact the Finnish embassy.
All the info you need is here:
http://www.britainusa.com/sections/a...=41016&a=25315
and:
http://www.britainusa.com/sections/a...=41001&a=25297
PM me if you need specific advice!!! Happy to help.
It took about 4 weeks from posting to receiving the document and his passport, all very efficient. As for Finnish nationality contact the Finnish embassy.
All the info you need is here:
http://www.britainusa.com/sections/a...=41016&a=25315
and:
http://www.britainusa.com/sections/a...=41001&a=25297
PM me if you need specific advice!!! Happy to help.
#24
Re: British citizenship for US born son?
Originally Posted by Zippysigma
I have been trying to register our daughter's birth and are struggling as I have lost a divorce certificate from a previous marriage. We are both British citizens and have all other certs. The 2.10 per min help line was hopeless
Anyone have any experience of this or ideas as to how to register her birth? would we have more luck if we were in the UK?
Thanks
Anyone have any experience of this or ideas as to how to register her birth? would we have more luck if we were in the UK?
Thanks
http://www.britainusa.com/sections/a...=41016&a=25315
#25
Re: British citizenship for US born son?
Originally Posted by Maz
Your son is indeed an automatic dual national. You need to do three things - apply for a US passport, apply for a British passport, and register his birth with the UK Embassy in Washington D.C. The details for that are at britainusa.com so you're on the right track. You do not need to register his birth immediately, and you'll need to send off documents to D.C., so do that once you're done travelling for a bit. This is a good reminder, actually, I still need to do this for my nearly 4-year old daughter! Whoopsie! LOL
they do say that if you travel use the U.S passport, unlike the Brits the U.S has a big problem with one of their citizens travelling with another countries passport dual citizen or not
Lionheart if I was you I'd just get a U.S and a U.k passport for my child
#26
Re: British citizenship for US born son?
Originally Posted by Celtic_Angel
well I was told that you do not need to register the birth and to get a certificate was a complete waste of money..the British embassy in Washington told me this..they just said it's best to get the child a British passport, this is all the proof you will need that the child is a U.K citizen in his own right.
While a British passport on its own is usually enough, getting a consular birth cert will make life significantly easier if the passport is ever lost (otherwise there is a risk of having to prove citizenship again which can be a nightmare).
Not all US birth cert documentation is accepted at face value by British authorities, especially many years later.
It's inadvisable to have only a *single* document proving your citizenship, if born outside the UK. Also, as someone else pointed out, passports expire - consular birth certs don't.
they do say that if you travel use the U.S passport, unlike the Brits the U.S has a big problem with one of their citizens travelling with another countries passport dual citizen or not
Jeremy
Last edited by JAJ; Jul 27th 2005 at 11:12 pm.
#27
Re: British citizenship for US born son?
Originally Posted by JAJ
That's not correct.
While a British passport on its own is usually enough, getting a consular birth cert will make life significantly easier if the passport is ever lost (otherwise there is a risk of having to prove citizenship again which can be a nightmare).
Not all US birth cert documentation is accepted at face value by British authorities, especially many years later.
It's inadvisable to have only a *single* document proving your citizenship, if born outside the UK. Also, as someone else pointed out, passports expire - consular birth certs don't.
Also incorrect. The US has no problem with US citizens holding or using another passport, provided one always shows a US passport to American officials and abides by US travel restrictions (eg no travel to Cuba without permission).
Jeremy
While a British passport on its own is usually enough, getting a consular birth cert will make life significantly easier if the passport is ever lost (otherwise there is a risk of having to prove citizenship again which can be a nightmare).
Not all US birth cert documentation is accepted at face value by British authorities, especially many years later.
It's inadvisable to have only a *single* document proving your citizenship, if born outside the UK. Also, as someone else pointed out, passports expire - consular birth certs don't.
Also incorrect. The US has no problem with US citizens holding or using another passport, provided one always shows a US passport to American officials and abides by US travel restrictions (eg no travel to Cuba without permission).
Jeremy
#28
Re: British citizenship for US born son?
Originally Posted by Celtic_Angel
er okay so apparently everything was wrong lol I was just repeating what the person at the embassy told me "shrug"
Lots of people have been misadvised in various circumstances by embassy officials (not just British ones) over the years.
As a general rule, I would not accept information from any kind of public enquiry line as definitive unless it can be verified some other way (eg by checking against a website, or the actual legislation).
Jeremy
#29
Re: British citizenship for US born son?
Originally Posted by antjen
The embassy website is down currently but if you need to know how to get a UK birth/marriage etc cert, you can follow this link:
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind...re_to_get.html
Jeremy
#30
Re: British citizenship for US born son?
Originally Posted by JAJ
The embassy website is down currently but if you need to know how to get a UK birth/marriage etc cert, you can follow this link:
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind...re_to_get.html
Jeremy
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind...re_to_get.html
Jeremy
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