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"Britain's Special Relationship With US Is Just a Myth"

Old Nov 30th 2006, 2:08 pm
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The leading headline news in today's 'Daily Telegraph' reports that a senior US official has given a speech about the 'myth of the special relationship between the US and Britain':

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...30/wusuk30.xml

Absolute proof that Tony Blair is indeed 'Bush's poodle...'

The reader's comments are interesting too:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ublview30b.xml
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A very interesting article, although my first though on reading the title was (to use an American expression) "Well, Duuuuuuhhhhh".
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Old Nov 30th 2006, 2:50 pm
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One person's special relationship is another one's.....
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Originally Posted by Englishmum
Absolute proof that Tony Blair is indeed 'Bush's poodle...'
Surely you meant to say Labourdoodle?!?
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As one journalist put it in an article I read a couple of years ago, the USA currently would not bother to cross the road to piss on us if we were to catch fire. That's possibly a little harsh given the US's history of intervention in european wars (however belated and self-serving such interventions may have been), but over the last few decades this whole "special relationship" has started to look increasingly hollow. The most recent example I can think of is case of the Joint Strike Fighter, a super-duper high tech jet fighter currently being developed jointly by the USA and the UK. Despite the UK pouring billions into this project, the USA have been refusing to gaurantee that the UK forces that will use this plane (RAF, Royal Navy) will have access to the key software that will be vital for their maintenance and upgrading - they basically don't regard us as suficiently reliable as allies to be entrusted with this stuff.

Another example is the Falklands war - the Reagan government favoured a negotiated settlement that would have ultimately seen the islands formally handed over to Argentina, since they were keener to keep sweet the right wing Argentinian dictatorship and similar regimes in South America than help out their allegedly closest allies. We got more help from the French than the USA during the Falklands war.
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America - just like most Americans - is a self serving self-obsessed country.

Everything they do (and yes we can discuss the efforts of American Service personel in WW1 and 2 till the cows come home) is for America's benefit.

They wouldnt help their neighbour if they were on fire so why would they help us?
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Originally Posted by Old William
America - just like most Americans - is a self serving self-obsessed country.

Everything they do (and yes we can discuss the efforts of American Service personel in WW1 and 2 till the cows come home) is for America's benefit.

They wouldnt help their neighbour if they were on fire so why would they help us?
Argument over, as far as I'm concerned.



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Originally Posted by Hiro11
Argument over, as far as I'm concerned.



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I didnt say it was any different from any other country. Personally I've never got this Special Relationship crap.
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Originally Posted by elfman

Another example is the Falklands war - the Reagan government favoured a negotiated settlement that would have ultimately seen the islands formally handed over to Argentina, since they were keener to keep sweet the right wing Argentinian dictatorship and similar regimes in South America than help out their allegedly closest allies. We got more help from the French than the USA during the Falklands war.
To be fair, they did supply us with some Stinger missiles, but they did the same for the Mujahadeen, so not exactly special.
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Originally Posted by elfman
Another example is the Falklands war - the Reagan government favoured a negotiated settlement that would have ultimately seen the islands formally handed over to Argentina, since they were keener to keep sweet the right wing Argentinian dictatorship and similar regimes in South America than help out their allegedly closest allies. We got more help from the French than the USA during the Falklands war.
Hmmm

US offered the loan of a proper Aircraft Carrier.

French supplied the Argies with Exocets.
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Originally Posted by Boiler

French supplied the Argies with Exocets.
And Etendards to launch them with. Although the Skyhawks were American, everyone got a look in
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Originally Posted by Old William
America - just like most Americans - is a self serving self-obsessed country.

Everything they do (and yes we can discuss the efforts of American Service personel in WW1 and 2 till the cows come home) is for America's benefit.

They wouldnt help their neighbour if they were on fire so why would they help us?
That's why we're the king shits and you're a dying empire.
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Originally Posted by Old William
I didnt say it was any different from any other country. Personally I've never got this Special Relationship crap.

But, but, but.......but we're allies,

War on terror - we're both in it together to the end
same language - same people
the UK is the only nation the US can trust
we both have red-white and blue flags
you do like country music dont'cha?
whaddya mean ya don't salute the flag?

Heard these comments from well-meaning Americans and its a shame.
Makes me just want to go out and vote Republican. I gotta tell ya.........

OK, so the last two were slightly out of context.
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Originally Posted by Leslie66
That's why we're the king shits and you're a dying empire.
Get it right...a Dead Empire.
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