Go Back  British Expats > Living & Moving Abroad > USA
Reload this Page >

Advice for UK to Cali move

Advice for UK to Cali move

Old Oct 12th 2011, 7:40 pm
  #1  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 58
ned1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond repute
Question Advice for UK to Cali move

Hi All,
Sorry if this has already been covered in other posts! Im new to this forum and I dont fit in with the typical questions. I was born in the USA so have dual nationality and am trying to move over there to be with my partner after living in the UK since I was 3.

I've been advised that applying for a social security number while in the UK can be a drawn out process and I am better doing this in the USA as it will only take a week or 2. I understand I will get a temporary number of some sort while I wait, is this correct?

I am also trying to work out what to do about banks, I will be earning a reasonable wage (once I actually find a job over there) but my UK bank account has been in the red since I was a student and I live in my overdraft. Will this matter in the US? Do they do checks on your existing banks? I haven't had any court judgements or defaults but my balance isnt as rosy as it should be!!

Are there any banks I should stay away from, or ones you recommend?

Thanks in advance for your help
Ned
ned1983 is offline  
Old Oct 12th 2011, 8:52 pm
  #2  
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Location: Temecula, CA
Posts: 4,759
GeoffM has a reputation beyond reputeGeoffM has a reputation beyond reputeGeoffM has a reputation beyond reputeGeoffM has a reputation beyond reputeGeoffM has a reputation beyond reputeGeoffM has a reputation beyond reputeGeoffM has a reputation beyond reputeGeoffM has a reputation beyond reputeGeoffM has a reputation beyond reputeGeoffM has a reputation beyond reputeGeoffM has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Advice for UK to Cali move

Originally Posted by ned1983 View Post
I am better doing this in the USA as it will only take a week or 2. I understand I will get a temporary number of some sort while I wait, is this correct?
Well, supposedly you can get the number after a couple of weeks but you might not get the physical card for a little longer.

Originally Posted by ned1983 View Post
I am also trying to work out what to do about banks, I will be earning a reasonable wage (once I actually find a job over there) but my UK bank account has been in the red since I was a student and I live in my overdraft. Will this matter in the US? Do they do checks on your existing banks? I haven't had any court judgements or defaults but my balance isnt as rosy as it should be!!
I don't think they can check, especially if you haven't had any defaults. I wouldn't run away from your debts though, in case that ever crossed your mind, as they can catch up with you should you ever need to return to the UK (and, admittedly, from a personal point of view, why should I pay for your debts that you've run away from!).
GeoffM is offline  
Old Oct 12th 2011, 8:58 pm
  #3  
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Location: Eugene, OR
Posts: 1,352
avanutria has a reputation beyond reputeavanutria has a reputation beyond reputeavanutria has a reputation beyond reputeavanutria has a reputation beyond reputeavanutria has a reputation beyond reputeavanutria has a reputation beyond reputeavanutria has a reputation beyond reputeavanutria has a reputation beyond reputeavanutria has a reputation beyond reputeavanutria has a reputation beyond reputeavanutria has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Advice for UK to Cali move

Hi Ned,

Just another couple of considerations, in case you're not aware of them. If you are over 18 you should be filing US tax returns each year, and if you are male and between 18 and 26 (I think) you should register for the Selective Service.
avanutria is offline  
Old Oct 12th 2011, 10:38 pm
  #4  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 58
ned1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Advice for UK to Cali move

Wow I had no idea, I need to look into the tax returns then. Is this for income earned abroad? As I have never worked (left when I was 3) in the US I assumed that I didnt need to do anything like that.

I wasnt planning of running away from my debts, but i was concerned that i wouldnt get a bank account over there. What do i typically need documentation wise to start a new bank account in the US?
ned1983 is offline  
Old Oct 12th 2011, 11:26 pm
  #5  
Yes, I know i'm awesome.
 
ljaw2002uk's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
Posts: 624
ljaw2002uk has a reputation beyond reputeljaw2002uk has a reputation beyond reputeljaw2002uk has a reputation beyond reputeljaw2002uk has a reputation beyond reputeljaw2002uk has a reputation beyond reputeljaw2002uk has a reputation beyond reputeljaw2002uk has a reputation beyond reputeljaw2002uk has a reputation beyond reputeljaw2002uk has a reputation beyond reputeljaw2002uk has a reputation beyond reputeljaw2002uk has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Advice for UK to Cali move

Originally Posted by ned1983 View Post
Wow I had no idea, I need to look into the tax returns then. Is this for income earned abroad? As I have never worked (left when I was 3) in the US I assumed that I didnt need to do anything like that.
It is extremely unlikely that you owe the US anything as you will have been paying taxes in the UK, the US and UK have a tax treaty that will take this into account.

Originally Posted by ned1983 View Post
I wasnt planning of running away from my debts, but i was concerned that i wouldnt get a bank account over there. What do i typically need documentation wise to start a new bank account in the US?
Definitely don't run away from any debt, you have no idea what the future holds, and may come to regret it if you do. Passport and proof of your US address should be fine, it's a lot easier to open a bank account here than it is in the UK.

Good luck with your move!
ljaw2002uk is offline  
Old Oct 12th 2011, 11:59 pm
  #6  
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Posts: 4,896
md95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Advice for UK to Cali move

Originally Posted by ned1983 View Post
What do i typically need documentation wise to start a new bank account in the US?
Some form of id is all that is required - your US passport will be OK. They will want your social security number once you get one but you can open an account without it (although you may have trouble convincing some bank employees of that).

Your biggest problem is that, just like a new immigrant, you will have no US credit history and will have to go through the same steps as everyone else to build one - there is lots of advice on that in various threads and in the wiki on this site. The good news is that your current debt in the UK will not factor into any of this.
md95065 is offline  
Old Oct 13th 2011, 12:23 am
  #7  
MODERATOR
 
penguinsix's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Location: Hong Kong, mostly.
Posts: 5,105
penguinsix has a reputation beyond reputepenguinsix has a reputation beyond reputepenguinsix has a reputation beyond reputepenguinsix has a reputation beyond reputepenguinsix has a reputation beyond reputepenguinsix has a reputation beyond reputepenguinsix has a reputation beyond reputepenguinsix has a reputation beyond reputepenguinsix has a reputation beyond reputepenguinsix has a reputation beyond reputepenguinsix has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Advice for UK to Cali move

There are three major issues relating to your US citizenship you should clear up.

1) Selective service. If you are over 18, you need to register for military conscription (i.e. the draft). Of course they haven't drafted anyone in 30 years, and the requirement is basically so we can fight off a Soviet invasion of Europe, but still the paperwork is there and there are many government programs that require you to certify that you have registered for military service.

2) Tax returns. US citizens have to pay taxes on all income worldwide regardless of where they are living. Of course there are credits and exclusions that render the tax due to about $0 for most average Americans living overseas, but there is still this requirement.

3) FBAR. You need to report any foreign bank account over $10,000 US every year. The penalties for this are SEVERE so please check into this first on your own (i.e. accountant, lawyer, google searching) before talking to the US embassy about your lack of previous filings.
penguinsix is offline  
Old Oct 14th 2011, 4:23 pm
  #8  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 58
ned1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Advice for UK to Cali move

Well, apparently I have "missed the boat" for Selective Service as I am 28. If I ever need a federal job or some such I have to plead my case to the awarding body each time. "show by a preponderance of evidence that his failure to register was not knowing and willful. Offer as much evidence supporting your case, and as much detail, as possible."

I dont have $10,000 or I would already have moved to the US!

So it just leaves me to fill in some tax returns.
God there's a lot of bureaucratic nonsense!
ned1983 is offline  
Old Oct 14th 2011, 10:04 pm
  #9  
Just Joined
 
Rikki_v6's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Location: Laguna Niguel, CA
Posts: 9
Rikki_v6 is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Advice for UK to Cali move

Originally Posted by ned1983 View Post
I've been advised that applying for a social security number while in the UK can be a drawn out process and I am better doing this in the USA as it will only take a week or 2. I understand I will get a temporary number of some sort while I wait, is this correct?
Hi Ned,

It could be different as you don't need a Visa, but when I opted to have my SS number taken care of while in the UK, it was a right pain! The process actually didn't happen so on arrival to the US i was told to wait 3 weeks and call if I have no SS. I didn't receive it, so called and they just told me "there were problems". No one told me about those "problems".

Anyway, I had to go apply directly at the SS office (started from scratch) which took all of 30 mins and then I was able to return the next day and get my number. Nice and easy. If i knew that before my Visa app, I would have opted OUT of getting the Embassy to organise my SS number and not had to wait the 3 weeks. The card then arrived about 10 days later.

Hope this helps you out.
Rikki_v6 is offline  
Old Oct 14th 2011, 10:27 pm
  #10  
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Posts: 4,896
md95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond reputemd95065 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Advice for UK to Cali move

Originally Posted by ned1983 View Post
God there's a lot of bureaucratic nonsense!
Believe me, you have it easy - if you were a non-US citizen trying to immigrate to the US there is 100 times more ...
md95065 is offline  
Old Oct 15th 2011, 12:26 am
  #11  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 58
ned1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Advice for UK to Cali move

Hehe, I know! Very lucky.

Although not sure how to deal with these tax returns, lots of very boring reading by the sounds of it.
ned1983 is offline  
Old Oct 15th 2011, 6:45 pm
  #12  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Michael's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 10,678
Michael has a reputation beyond reputeMichael has a reputation beyond reputeMichael has a reputation beyond reputeMichael has a reputation beyond reputeMichael has a reputation beyond reputeMichael has a reputation beyond reputeMichael has a reputation beyond reputeMichael has a reputation beyond reputeMichael has a reputation beyond reputeMichael has a reputation beyond reputeMichael has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Advice for UK to Cali move

Originally Posted by ned1983 View Post
Hehe, I know! Very lucky.

Although not sure how to deal with these tax returns, lots of very boring reading by the sounds of it.
You only have to file returns for the years that you made more than a certain amount of money and normally only for the past three years. If it is likely that you don't owe any taxes, I wouldn't bother since you are not immigrating and returns are not required and if the IRS requests back returns, you can fill them out then. Just try to keep records of you previous UK income and taxes paid in case the IRS requests back returns.

There is no penalty for not filing returns if you don't owe taxes and don't need to declare FBAR accounts.

Last edited by Michael; Oct 15th 2011 at 6:51 pm.
Michael is offline  
Old Oct 15th 2011, 8:31 pm
  #13  
BE Enthusiast
 
discoviking's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Location: Quebec, Canada
Posts: 970
discoviking has a reputation beyond reputediscoviking has a reputation beyond reputediscoviking has a reputation beyond reputediscoviking has a reputation beyond reputediscoviking has a reputation beyond reputediscoviking has a reputation beyond reputediscoviking has a reputation beyond reputediscoviking has a reputation beyond reputediscoviking has a reputation beyond reputediscoviking has a reputation beyond reputediscoviking has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Advice for UK to Cali move

Originally Posted by ned1983 View Post
Well, apparently I have "missed the boat" for Selective Service as I am 28. If I ever need a federal job or some such I have to plead my case to the awarding body each time. "show by a preponderance of evidence that his failure to register was not knowing and willful. Offer as much evidence supporting your case, and as much detail, as possible."
You didn't miss the boat. You were only required to register if you were residing in the US when you were between the ages of 18 and 26, so if this ever becomes an issue you just have to show that you were residing elsewhere during those years.
discoviking is offline  
Old Mar 20th 2012, 3:45 pm
  #14  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 58
ned1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond reputened1983 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Advice for UK to Cali move

Hi all,
Just giving you an update and adding more queries!
I got a job (YAY *big-fat-smileyface*) working for SitnSleep at their headquarters in LA. I start on April 30th.

I went to the SSA and got my SSN application in with them using my partners address and also set up a "visitors" checking account with Bank of America (which they will turn into a full one when my SSN arrives).

I now need to hire/lease/buy a car. I assume i wont get a car on finance or lease arrangement without a credit check, and as I have no credit score over there yet what do you reckon I should do?

Thanks for all your help and support!
Ned
ned1983 is offline  
Old Mar 20th 2012, 3:54 pm
  #15  
Bob
BE Site Lead
 
Bob's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Location: MA, USA
Posts: 91,725
Bob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond reputeBob has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Advice for UK to Cali move

Originally Posted by ned1983 View Post
I now need to hire/lease/buy a car. I assume i wont get a car on finance or lease arrangement without a credit check, and as I have no credit score over there yet what do you reckon I should do?
Congrats!

I'd start by having a nose at the other hundred threads on car/credit advice though, there's probably a good handful on the first page alone covering buying new, secondhand, lease and new immigrant/global transfer type programs from the manufacturers, so that should cover a range of budgets you might have
Bob is offline  

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.