What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized citizens?
Feb 27th 2006, 4:21 pm
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What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized citizens?
I have looked at the USCIS site and I have read previous posts about
this and still I get no clear absolute answer.
My wife's sister is newly naturalized in the US and she lives with her
American husband and HER 2 kids, both under 18.
She wants to know if she needs the N600 or not. From what I read, the
children automatically become citizens when she did. And they can
apply for US Passports based on that.
So why would one want to pay $255 for a "Certificate of Citizenship"
via the N-600 application? Is there any reason at all to do this, or
is it just to get some certificate?
If the two kids just get their passports and not the N-600, will they
be able to renew without their mom, when their passports expire? I am
just not clear at all on what purpose the N-600 serves.
Any light you can shed on this would be greatly appreciated.
this and still I get no clear absolute answer.
My wife's sister is newly naturalized in the US and she lives with her
American husband and HER 2 kids, both under 18.
She wants to know if she needs the N600 or not. From what I read, the
children automatically become citizens when she did. And they can
apply for US Passports based on that.
So why would one want to pay $255 for a "Certificate of Citizenship"
via the N-600 application? Is there any reason at all to do this, or
is it just to get some certificate?
If the two kids just get their passports and not the N-600, will they
be able to renew without their mom, when their passports expire? I am
just not clear at all on what purpose the N-600 serves.
Any light you can shed on this would be greatly appreciated.
Feb 27th 2006, 4:51 pm
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Re: What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized citizens?
No one is saying that anyone MUST get a Certificate of Citizenship. A
US born citizen will have no problem prooving citizenship by showing a
birth certificate. Your sister's kids might want proof of citizenship
in case they lose or destroy their passports.
Jackie
US born citizen will have no problem prooving citizenship by showing a
birth certificate. Your sister's kids might want proof of citizenship
in case they lose or destroy their passports.
Jackie
Feb 27th 2006, 4:59 pm
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Re: What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized citizens?
Maybe this will help:
"Passports are cheaper than citizenship, but they are temporary options
that expire in five to ten years and can be lost or stolen. They are
essential to have if you plan to leave the U.S. with your child, or if
your child will travel abroad without you. Citizenship is the only
secure way to protect rights for life, and to facilitate passport
replacement should the need arise. Please note, a passport must be
renewed where a certificate of citizenship is a permanent document.
Passport applications require original documents. The process may take
six weeks, although it is possible to pay an additional $35 for an
expedited passport."
>From http://www.idahofca.org/Citizenship.htm
Jackie
"Passports are cheaper than citizenship, but they are temporary options
that expire in five to ten years and can be lost or stolen. They are
essential to have if you plan to leave the U.S. with your child, or if
your child will travel abroad without you. Citizenship is the only
secure way to protect rights for life, and to facilitate passport
replacement should the need arise. Please note, a passport must be
renewed where a certificate of citizenship is a permanent document.
Passport applications require original documents. The process may take
six weeks, although it is possible to pay an additional $35 for an
expedited passport."
>From http://www.idahofca.org/Citizenship.htm
Jackie
Feb 27th 2006, 5:05 pm
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Re: What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized citizens?
Check out http://uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffa...ts/adopted.htm
as to when a child acquires automatic citizenship.
as to when a child acquires automatic citizenship.
Originally Posted by Mrandmrsjones
I have looked at the USCIS site and I have read previous posts about
this and still I get no clear absolute answer.
My wife's sister is newly naturalized in the US and she lives with her
American husband and HER 2 kids, both under 18.
She wants to know if she needs the N600 or not. From what I read, the
children automatically become citizens when she did. And they can
apply for US Passports based on that.
So why would one want to pay $255 for a "Certificate of Citizenship"
via the N-600 application? Is there any reason at all to do this, or
is it just to get some certificate?
If the two kids just get their passports and not the N-600, will they
be able to renew without their mom, when their passports expire? I am
just not clear at all on what purpose the N-600 serves.
Any light you can shed on this would be greatly appreciated.
this and still I get no clear absolute answer.
My wife's sister is newly naturalized in the US and she lives with her
American husband and HER 2 kids, both under 18.
She wants to know if she needs the N600 or not. From what I read, the
children automatically become citizens when she did. And they can
apply for US Passports based on that.
So why would one want to pay $255 for a "Certificate of Citizenship"
via the N-600 application? Is there any reason at all to do this, or
is it just to get some certificate?
If the two kids just get their passports and not the N-600, will they
be able to renew without their mom, when their passports expire? I am
just not clear at all on what purpose the N-600 serves.
Any light you can shed on this would be greatly appreciated.
Feb 27th 2006, 7:23 pm
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Re: What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized citizens?
On 27 Feb 2006 09:59:54 -0800, "Jackie" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Maybe this will help:
>"Passports are cheaper than citizenship, but they are temporary options
>that expire in five to ten years and can be lost or stolen. They are
>essential to have if you plan to leave the U.S. with your child, or if
>your child will travel abroad without you. Citizenship is the only
>secure way to protect rights for life, and to facilitate passport
>replacement should the need arise. Please note, a passport must be
>renewed where a certificate of citizenship is a permanent document.
>Passport applications require original documents. The process may take
>six weeks, although it is possible to pay an additional $35 for an
>expedited passport."
>>From http://www.idahofca.org/Citizenship.htm
>Jackie
So, this is the way I see it:
If the parent wants to get only passports and not the Certificate via
the N-600, that is proof enough of their citizenship. However should
they find themselves without their passport, it would be difficult to
prove they are citizens without it.
What if they keep a good COPY of their passport in a safe place such
as a Safety Deposit box, and make it available on a secure web site as
well so they could access it from virtually anywhere? Wouldn't that be
just about as secure as having the N-600 Citizenship Certificate?
The above says that Citizenship via the N600 is "the only secure way
to protect rights for life and to facilitate passport replacement". I
still don't see why this is true. Once you have a passport and they
have a record of your having a passport, and you have a copy of that
passport, under what circumstances would you have difficulty getting a
renewal or replacement and be able to thus prove your citizenship?
Seems to me the USCIS is just trying to get people to spend $255 for a
certificate, though I sm still not certain as they do not spell out
the circumstances under which one would really NEED the Citizenship
Certificate. I guess if money is no problem, the certifcate via N-600
is best, but if money is an issue I'm still uncertain as to whether
the N-600 is really needed, in practical terms.
By the way, the site quoted above states
" it is possible to pay an additional $35 for an expedited passport."
Just fyi, this is old information. In fact the additional fee for an
expedited passport is $60, plus whatever it costs for overnight
shipping of the new passport, which I think is around $14 via US
Postal Service.
And, just while I'm at it, the cost of a new passport is $97 for
anyone over 16 y.o., which brings the expedited cost to around $171.
>Maybe this will help:
>"Passports are cheaper than citizenship, but they are temporary options
>that expire in five to ten years and can be lost or stolen. They are
>essential to have if you plan to leave the U.S. with your child, or if
>your child will travel abroad without you. Citizenship is the only
>secure way to protect rights for life, and to facilitate passport
>replacement should the need arise. Please note, a passport must be
>renewed where a certificate of citizenship is a permanent document.
>Passport applications require original documents. The process may take
>six weeks, although it is possible to pay an additional $35 for an
>expedited passport."
>>From http://www.idahofca.org/Citizenship.htm
>Jackie
So, this is the way I see it:
If the parent wants to get only passports and not the Certificate via
the N-600, that is proof enough of their citizenship. However should
they find themselves without their passport, it would be difficult to
prove they are citizens without it.
What if they keep a good COPY of their passport in a safe place such
as a Safety Deposit box, and make it available on a secure web site as
well so they could access it from virtually anywhere? Wouldn't that be
just about as secure as having the N-600 Citizenship Certificate?
The above says that Citizenship via the N600 is "the only secure way
to protect rights for life and to facilitate passport replacement". I
still don't see why this is true. Once you have a passport and they
have a record of your having a passport, and you have a copy of that
passport, under what circumstances would you have difficulty getting a
renewal or replacement and be able to thus prove your citizenship?
Seems to me the USCIS is just trying to get people to spend $255 for a
certificate, though I sm still not certain as they do not spell out
the circumstances under which one would really NEED the Citizenship
Certificate. I guess if money is no problem, the certifcate via N-600
is best, but if money is an issue I'm still uncertain as to whether
the N-600 is really needed, in practical terms.
By the way, the site quoted above states
" it is possible to pay an additional $35 for an expedited passport."
Just fyi, this is old information. In fact the additional fee for an
expedited passport is $60, plus whatever it costs for overnight
shipping of the new passport, which I think is around $14 via US
Postal Service.
And, just while I'm at it, the cost of a new passport is $97 for
anyone over 16 y.o., which brings the expedited cost to around $171.
Feb 27th 2006, 10:22 pm
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Re: What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized citizens?
mrandmrsjones, you are talking nonsense ;) Nobody is "trying to get
people" to pay for a certificate. It is their choice. IMO it's always a
good idea to keep another proof of citizenship around, just in case. A
passport is meant for traveling. Of course, one may use it for other
purposes.
Jackie
people" to pay for a certificate. It is their choice. IMO it's always a
good idea to keep another proof of citizenship around, just in case. A
passport is meant for traveling. Of course, one may use it for other
purposes.
Jackie
Feb 28th 2006, 4:33 am
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Re: What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized citizens?
A simple answer to your question is this: when it comes time to renew their
Passports, the kids will have to send in proof of their citizenship (old
passport alone won't do). US born citizens send in their birth certificate.
If your kids does not have a US birth certificate, they have to submit their
Green Card along with the birth certificate or citizenship certificate of
their US born parent, eerytime they want to renew the passport.
My advise is: go thorugh the N-600 process while you can. You never know,
laws may change and be retroactive too. It has happenned before.
"mrandmrsjones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I have looked at the USCIS site and I have read previous posts about
> this and still I get no clear absolute answer.
> My wife's sister is newly naturalized in the US and she lives with her
> American husband and HER 2 kids, both under 18.
> She wants to know if she needs the N600 or not. From what I read, the
> children automatically become citizens when she did. And they can
> apply for US Passports based on that.
> So why would one want to pay $255 for a "Certificate of Citizenship"
> via the N-600 application? Is there any reason at all to do this, or
> is it just to get some certificate?
> If the two kids just get their passports and not the N-600, will they
> be able to renew without their mom, when their passports expire? I am
> just not clear at all on what purpose the N-600 serves.
> Any light you can shed on this would be greatly appreciated.
Passports, the kids will have to send in proof of their citizenship (old
passport alone won't do). US born citizens send in their birth certificate.
If your kids does not have a US birth certificate, they have to submit their
Green Card along with the birth certificate or citizenship certificate of
their US born parent, eerytime they want to renew the passport.
My advise is: go thorugh the N-600 process while you can. You never know,
laws may change and be retroactive too. It has happenned before.
"mrandmrsjones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I have looked at the USCIS site and I have read previous posts about
> this and still I get no clear absolute answer.
> My wife's sister is newly naturalized in the US and she lives with her
> American husband and HER 2 kids, both under 18.
> She wants to know if she needs the N600 or not. From what I read, the
> children automatically become citizens when she did. And they can
> apply for US Passports based on that.
> So why would one want to pay $255 for a "Certificate of Citizenship"
> via the N-600 application? Is there any reason at all to do this, or
> is it just to get some certificate?
> If the two kids just get their passports and not the N-600, will they
> be able to renew without their mom, when their passports expire? I am
> just not clear at all on what purpose the N-600 serves.
> Any light you can shed on this would be greatly appreciated.
Feb 28th 2006, 5:11 am
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Re: What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized citizens?
On 27 Feb 2006 15:22:54 -0800, "Jackie" <[email protected]> wrote:
>mrandmrsjones, you are talking nonsense ;) Nobody is "trying to get
>people" to pay for a certificate. It is their choice.
I don't object to one having to get an n-600, what I object to is the
inflated prices of all the USCIS crap. I mean, come on, $255 for each
child needing a citizenship app. That is just abusive, as is the
Citizenship test.
I also object to the widespread incompetence and lack of organization
of the USCIS. Their 800# is known as the MISinformation line, for
example and I know for a fact they gave me false info on 2 occassions.
It's an effing pathetic joke, how bad they are. It's like a 3rd world
country's immigration office.
>IMO it's always a
>good idea to keep another proof of citizenship around, just in case. A
>passport is meant for traveling. Of course, one may use it for other
>purposes.
>Jackie
>mrandmrsjones, you are talking nonsense ;) Nobody is "trying to get
>people" to pay for a certificate. It is their choice.
I don't object to one having to get an n-600, what I object to is the
inflated prices of all the USCIS crap. I mean, come on, $255 for each
child needing a citizenship app. That is just abusive, as is the
Citizenship test.
I also object to the widespread incompetence and lack of organization
of the USCIS. Their 800# is known as the MISinformation line, for
example and I know for a fact they gave me false info on 2 occassions.
It's an effing pathetic joke, how bad they are. It's like a 3rd world
country's immigration office.
>IMO it's always a
>good idea to keep another proof of citizenship around, just in case. A
>passport is meant for traveling. Of course, one may use it for other
>purposes.
>Jackie
Feb 28th 2006, 12:03 pm
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Re: What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized citizens?
> I don't object to one having to get an n-600, what I object to is the
> inflated prices of all the USCIS crap. I mean, come on, $255 for each
> child needing a citizenship app.
Have you ever been to a USCIS office? Have you seen how many people
work there? These people get their paychecks every Friday ;) Someone
has to pay for it :)
> That is just abusive, as is the
> Citizenship test.
What in the hell is abusive about this? Those are the procedures, I
find nothing abusing of them. Who's forcing foreigners to become US
citizens, to pay and pass a citizenship test?
However, if it bothers you so much, why not do something to change it?
"Objecting" is not enough to make any changes. An organization fighting
for the rights of immigrants, perhaps? :)
> inflated prices of all the USCIS crap. I mean, come on, $255 for each
> child needing a citizenship app.
Have you ever been to a USCIS office? Have you seen how many people
work there? These people get their paychecks every Friday ;) Someone
has to pay for it :)
> That is just abusive, as is the
> Citizenship test.
What in the hell is abusive about this? Those are the procedures, I
find nothing abusing of them. Who's forcing foreigners to become US
citizens, to pay and pass a citizenship test?
However, if it bothers you so much, why not do something to change it?
"Objecting" is not enough to make any changes. An organization fighting
for the rights of immigrants, perhaps? :)
Mar 1st 2006, 1:33 am
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Re: What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized citizens?
Originally Posted by Mrandmrsjones
So why would one want to pay $255 for a "Certificate of Citizenship"
via the N-600 application? Is there any reason at all to do this, or
is it just to get some certificate?
If the two kids just get their passports and not the N-600, will they
be able to renew without their mom, when their passports expire? I am
just not clear at all on what purpose the N-600 serves.
via the N-600 application? Is there any reason at all to do this, or
is it just to get some certificate?
If the two kids just get their passports and not the N-600, will they
be able to renew without their mom, when their passports expire? I am
just not clear at all on what purpose the N-600 serves.
"Ok so I got an RFE and they want proof of citizenship. I guess a passport is not enough. They asked for one of the following:
Certificate of Naturalization
Birth Certificate (Born in US)
US Consular certifying I am a US Citizen
I can't provide any of the that! I was not naturalized, my parents were."
Mar 1st 2006, 3:40 am
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Re: What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized ci
Originally Posted by Mrandmrsjones
I have looked at the USCIS site and I have read previous posts about
this and still I get no clear absolute answer.
My wife's sister is newly naturalized in the US and she lives with her
American husband and HER 2 kids, both under 18.
She wants to know if she needs the N600 or not. From what I read, the
children automatically become citizens when she did. And they can
apply for US Passports based on that.
So why would one want to pay $255 for a "Certificate of Citizenship"
via the N-600 application? Is there any reason at all to do this, or
is it just to get some certificate?
If the two kids just get their passports and not the N-600, will they
be able to renew without their mom, when their passports expire? I am
just not clear at all on what purpose the N-600 serves.
Any light you can shed on this would be greatly appreciated.
this and still I get no clear absolute answer.
My wife's sister is newly naturalized in the US and she lives with her
American husband and HER 2 kids, both under 18.
She wants to know if she needs the N600 or not. From what I read, the
children automatically become citizens when she did. And they can
apply for US Passports based on that.
So why would one want to pay $255 for a "Certificate of Citizenship"
via the N-600 application? Is there any reason at all to do this, or
is it just to get some certificate?
If the two kids just get their passports and not the N-600, will they
be able to renew without their mom, when their passports expire? I am
just not clear at all on what purpose the N-600 serves.
Any light you can shed on this would be greatly appreciated.
As an experienced immigration lawyer, I am following this string with interest. It would be interesting to see a focused and valid discussion rather than pure guesses and speculation.
Mar 1st 2006, 4:06 am
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Re: What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized ci
Originally Posted by Folinskyinla
Hi:
As an experienced immigration lawyer, I am following this string with interest. It would be interesting to see a focused and valid discussion rather than pure guesses and speculation.
As an experienced immigration lawyer, I am following this string with interest. It would be interesting to see a focused and valid discussion rather than pure guesses and speculation.
Mar 5th 2006, 5:04 am
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Re: What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized citizens?
"Blank" wrote:
> when it comes time to renew their passports, the kids
> will have to send in proof of their citizenship (old
> passport alone won't do).
AFAIK, an old US passport =IS= accepted by the State Dept. as
acceptable proof of US citizenship for purposes of applying
for a new US passport.
The last time my wife and I renewed our son's US passport
(he was born in Canada to American parents), we used his old
US passport as proof of his US citizenship. He has a Consular
Report of Birth Abroad (FS-240), but as best I can recall,
we did =NOT= send that form in with his most recent passport
application. I'm quite loath to part with his FS-240, given
the significant difficulties in replacing it if it were lost,
so I'm pretty sure I would remember if I had had to send it
in. (This was in 2001, in case that matters.)
The current instructions on the State Department's web site
(http://travel.state.gov/passport/get...inors_834.html)
say that proof of the child's relationship to the applying
parent/guardian must now be submitted, and that an old US
passport is =NOT= accepted for this purpose. So, presumably,
the next time we renew our son's US passport, we will have
to submit either his Consular Report of Birth Abroad or his
Ontario (Canada) birth certificate with the application in
order to prove that we are his parents. But if we chose to
submit the foreign birth certificate and his previous US
passport, my understanding is that this would be sufficient
to prove his citizenship and our relationship to him.
> My advice is: go thorugh the N-600 process while you
> can. You never know, laws may change . . . .
It certainly couldn't hurt and may very possibly help. I'm not
challenging this point -- just the point about what does or does
not constitute proof of citizenship for US passport renewal.
Rich Wales [email protected] http://www.richw.org/dualcit/
*DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer, professional immigration consultant,
or consular officer. My comments are for discussion purposes only and
are not intended to be relied upon as legal or professional advice.
> when it comes time to renew their passports, the kids
> will have to send in proof of their citizenship (old
> passport alone won't do).
AFAIK, an old US passport =IS= accepted by the State Dept. as
acceptable proof of US citizenship for purposes of applying
for a new US passport.
The last time my wife and I renewed our son's US passport
(he was born in Canada to American parents), we used his old
US passport as proof of his US citizenship. He has a Consular
Report of Birth Abroad (FS-240), but as best I can recall,
we did =NOT= send that form in with his most recent passport
application. I'm quite loath to part with his FS-240, given
the significant difficulties in replacing it if it were lost,
so I'm pretty sure I would remember if I had had to send it
in. (This was in 2001, in case that matters.)
The current instructions on the State Department's web site
(http://travel.state.gov/passport/get...inors_834.html)
say that proof of the child's relationship to the applying
parent/guardian must now be submitted, and that an old US
passport is =NOT= accepted for this purpose. So, presumably,
the next time we renew our son's US passport, we will have
to submit either his Consular Report of Birth Abroad or his
Ontario (Canada) birth certificate with the application in
order to prove that we are his parents. But if we chose to
submit the foreign birth certificate and his previous US
passport, my understanding is that this would be sufficient
to prove his citizenship and our relationship to him.
> My advice is: go thorugh the N-600 process while you
> can. You never know, laws may change . . . .
It certainly couldn't hurt and may very possibly help. I'm not
challenging this point -- just the point about what does or does
not constitute proof of citizenship for US passport renewal.
Rich Wales [email protected] http://www.richw.org/dualcit/
*DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer, professional immigration consultant,
or consular officer. My comments are for discussion purposes only and
are not intended to be relied upon as legal or professional advice.
Mar 5th 2006, 1:36 pm
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Re: What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized citizens?
> The last time my wife and I renewed our son's US passport
> (he was born in Canada to American parents), we used his old
> US passport as proof of his US citizenship. He has a Consular
> Report of Birth Abroad (FS-240), but as best I can recall,
> we did =NOT= send that form in with his most recent passport
> application. I'm quite loath to part with his FS-240, given
> the significant difficulties in replacing it if it were lost,
Apply for a Certification of Report of Birth (DS-1350). You can get a
few copies. The only problem is that it is not issued overseas. I'm
getting these certifications for my children as soon as we get to the
US. As you, I am frantic of losing the FS-240 :)
> (he was born in Canada to American parents), we used his old
> US passport as proof of his US citizenship. He has a Consular
> Report of Birth Abroad (FS-240), but as best I can recall,
> we did =NOT= send that form in with his most recent passport
> application. I'm quite loath to part with his FS-240, given
> the significant difficulties in replacing it if it were lost,
Apply for a Certification of Report of Birth (DS-1350). You can get a
few copies. The only problem is that it is not issued overseas. I'm
getting these certifications for my children as soon as we get to the
US. As you, I am frantic of losing the FS-240 :)
Mar 5th 2006, 11:53 pm
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Re: What purpose does the N-600 serve? Is it necessary for children of naturalized citizens?
On 28 Feb 2006 05:03:06 -0800, "Jackie" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I don't object to one having to get an n-600, what I object to is the
>> inflated prices of all the USCIS crap. I mean, come on, $255 for each
>> child needing a citizenship app.
>Have you ever been to a USCIS office? Have you seen how many people
>work there? These people get their paychecks every Friday ;) Someone
>has to pay for it :)
>> That is just abusive, as is the
>> Citizenship test.
I'm referring only to the PRICE of it.
>> I don't object to one having to get an n-600, what I object to is the
>> inflated prices of all the USCIS crap. I mean, come on, $255 for each
>> child needing a citizenship app.
>Have you ever been to a USCIS office? Have you seen how many people
>work there? These people get their paychecks every Friday ;) Someone
>has to pay for it :)
>> That is just abusive, as is the
>> Citizenship test.
I'm referring only to the PRICE of it.