scrubbedexpat099

Nope.

Pulaski

Would you care to explain why, so I and everyone can else can learn from this case?

Pulaski

Yes, business and pleasure, and be ready with a few words to expand on the nature of the business and the pleasure activities planned.

bruceba

From state dept website.
□
If arriving by air or sea, are you traveling on an approved carrier and do you have a re-
turn ticket abroad?

Travelers with onward tickets terminating in Mexico, Canada, Bermuda, or the Caribbean Islands
must be legal permanent residents of those area

Pulaski

But if I have a ticket to join a cruise in Mexico, disembarking in Buenos Aires, the onward ticket does not "terminate" in Mexico! Sure, I agree, a mere hotel booking in the countries you list would very obviously not be acceptable, but I was talking about onward travel, and I think that I was fairly clear.

crg

The state department gives notoriously innaccurate information about VWP. In practice, people have not been denied entry solely for lack of an onward ticket. The airlines have been known to be skittish because the airline is on the hook to pay to remove VWP people if they are refused or removed, but the border guards have discretion in the matter. I'm with Mr. Pulaski on this one. There is no one size fits all requirement.

bruceba

There is no size fits all, but you are both incorrect with your assumptions with with VWP rules. It may have been some time since you read them so take a few a moments to review before you give the wrong advice. The state dept. will be the deciding factor when some ill-advised traveler thinks he can terminate his (vwp) trip in the Bahamas or Canada and finds out it is not so.

jeffreyhy

It will? How so? How will the Department of State be involved?

Regards, JEff

crg

Considering that the state department does not administer the VWP and has no personnel at the border, when and how will they swoop down and make the determination you describe? The state department VWP guidance is about as relevant and binding as the message in a fortune cookie.

Pulaski

My assertions are consistent with the web site you quoted, yet you persist in stating that I am wrong without saying how or why.

The one thing we appear to agree on that admission to the US is at the discretion of the CBP officer, and that anyone who arrives in the US without a return or onward airline ticket to a location outside of continental North America, is skating on thin ice and had better have a dämn good explanation and supporting documentation (typically tickets) to back up that explanation.

ian-mstm

Why are you quoting from the Department of State? Border control is under the jurisdiction of the Department of Homeland Security. Nothing the DOS says or writes is binding on the DHS.

Ian

bruceba

The state dept. is quoting The embassy which is quoting CBP. They say the same thing. Travel
may
not
terminate
in
contiguous
territory
or
adjacent islands unless the traveler is a resident of those
areas

scrubbedexpat099

Those continuous territories would not let you in if you did not have the appropriate status to terminate your travel there.

crg

You must have stayed here last night:

JustTime

Many thanks for all your help, appreciated.