Volunteering on an L1 Visa

Thread Tools
 
Old Aug 4th 2014, 1:22 pm
  #1  
Just Joined
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 5
Doxom is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Volunteering on an L1 Visa

Hello,

I've been a bit of a lurker for a few years on this forum, and have trawled the threads for answers to many questions in the past. I have always appreciated all the members inputs to some difficult questions, so I'm hoping to can get some advice on a current quandry...
I live in the US on an L1 visa from the UK. I have been offered a chance to become an instructor at a local martial arts school with the reward of free membership from my wife and I.
I am wondering if there are any legal rammifications from entering into such an agreement, and if there's anything I can do to mitigate any issues I may run into.

With regards,
Dom
Doxom is offline  
Old Aug 4th 2014, 1:28 pm
  #2  
crg
American Expat
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 7,598
crg has a reputation beyond reputecrg has a reputation beyond reputecrg has a reputation beyond reputecrg has a reputation beyond reputecrg has a reputation beyond reputecrg has a reputation beyond reputecrg has a reputation beyond reputecrg has a reputation beyond reputecrg has a reputation beyond reputecrg has a reputation beyond reputecrg has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Volunteering on an L1 Visa

Originally Posted by Doxom
Hello,

I've been a bit of a lurker for a few years on this forum, and have trawled the threads for answers to many questions in the past. I have always appreciated all the members inputs to some difficult questions, so I'm hoping to can get some advice on a current quandry...
I live in the US on an L1 visa from the UK. I have been offered a chance to become an instructor at a local martial arts school with the reward of free membership from my wife and I.
I am wondering if there are any legal rammifications from entering into such an agreement, and if there's anything I can do to mitigate any issues I may run into.

With regards,
Dom
Your authorization to work is only for your petitioner. You cannot volunteer for a commercial entity even for no remuneration. The "free" membership would be remuneration. Charitable/Nonprofit benefiting the community at large would generally be okay. Think soup kitchen or animal shelter. I don't see any mitigation. It's either legal or it's not. Legal ramifications can include status violation, denial of reentry or even removal which is odd considering how broken the immigration system is.

Last edited by crg; Aug 4th 2014 at 1:31 pm.
crg is offline  
Old Aug 4th 2014, 1:32 pm
  #3  
Just Joined
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 5
Doxom is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Volunteering on an L1 Visa

Thanks for a very clear and concise answer.
This is exactly why I use this forum.
Thanks again
Doxom is offline  
Old Aug 4th 2014, 3:15 pm
  #4  
Account Closed
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2
scrubbedexpat099 is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Volunteering on an L1 Visa

One of those is it OK to cross the road questions.

Well you could get hit by a bus.
scrubbedexpat099 is offline  
Old Apr 29th 2015, 2:22 pm
  #5  
Just Joined
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 5
Doxom is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Volunteering on an L1 Visa

Hey guys,

I have a quick question someone might be able to answer quickly.
I have a GC application in, and they've sent me an EAD.
Does this mean I could safely do my volunteer work?
Doxom is offline  
Old Apr 29th 2015, 2:23 pm
  #6  
Account Closed
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2
scrubbedexpat099 is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Volunteering on an L1 Visa

yes
scrubbedexpat099 is offline  
Old Apr 29th 2015, 2:37 pm
  #7  
Just Joined
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 5
Doxom is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Volunteering on an L1 Visa

As for a "cross the road" question before:
I'm sure, that when you had no prior experience of crossing the road, you asked whether it was ok. Otherwise, you'd likely be dead.
Doxom is offline  
Old Apr 29th 2015, 3:05 pm
  #8  
Account Closed
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 38,865
ian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Volunteering on an L1 Visa

Originally Posted by Doxom
I have a GC application in, and they've sent me an EAD.
Does this mean I could safely do my volunteer work?
Yes. It also means you can take paid employment as well... or work for yourself.

Ian
ian-mstm is offline  
Old Apr 29th 2015, 4:06 pm
  #9  
MODERATOR
 
Noorah101's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 58,679
Noorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Volunteering on an L1 Visa

Originally Posted by ian-mstm
Yes. It also means you can take paid employment as well... or work for yourself.

Ian
Just curious, can he take paid employment or work for himself AND continue working for the L1 sponsoring employer? Or would doing that violate the terms of the L1?

Rene
Noorah101 is offline  
Old Apr 29th 2015, 5:05 pm
  #10  
Account Closed
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 38,865
ian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond reputeian-mstm has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Volunteering on an L1 Visa

Originally Posted by Noorah101
Just curious, can he take paid employment or work for himself AND continue working for the L1 sponsoring employer? Or would doing that violate the terms of the L1?
Good questions! From where I sit, so long as he remains in L-1 status he can continue to work for his L-1 sponsor. Since they're handling the AOS, I don't think he can actually stop working for them... but I don't believe having an EAD alters his status at all. With an EAD, he should be able to pick up a second job or start his own business - so long as he remains working for his L-1 sponsor long enough to get a green card... at which point, he can leave the L-1 sponsor and work for whomever he wants.

I'm sure Mr. Folinsky will be able to highlight a specific instance where such advice once went belly up on one of his clients - and therefore serves as a demonstration of my foolhardy response. He'll probably also note that none of us are lawyers.

Ian
ian-mstm is offline  
Old Apr 29th 2015, 5:11 pm
  #11  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
sir_eccles's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 8,106
sir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond reputesir_eccles has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Volunteering on an L1 Visa

Originally Posted by ian-mstm
I'm sure Mr. Folinsky will be able to highlight a specific instance where such advice once went belly up on one of his clients - and therefore serves as a demonstration of my foolhardy response. He'll probably also note that none of us are lawyers.

Ian
Don't forget vaguely suggesting some information may be correct and some may be wrong but all of it raises interesting questions :-)
sir_eccles is offline  
Old Apr 29th 2015, 5:32 pm
  #12  
 
Pulaski's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Location: Dixie, ex UK
Posts: 52,448
Pulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Volunteering on an L1 Visa

Originally Posted by sir_eccles
Don't forget vaguely suggesting some information may be correct and some may be wrong but all of it raises interesting questions. ....
Google sometimes provides insightful answers to interesting questions.
Pulaski is offline  
Old Apr 29th 2015, 6:33 pm
  #13  
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,157
retzie has a reputation beyond reputeretzie has a reputation beyond reputeretzie has a reputation beyond reputeretzie has a reputation beyond reputeretzie has a reputation beyond reputeretzie has a reputation beyond reputeretzie has a reputation beyond reputeretzie has a reputation beyond reputeretzie has a reputation beyond reputeretzie has a reputation beyond reputeretzie has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Volunteering on an L1 Visa

Originally Posted by Noorah101
Just curious, can he take paid employment or work for himself AND continue working for the L1 sponsoring employer? Or would doing that violate the terms of the L1?

Rene
My understanding is that as soon as one makes use of the EAD to take up non-L-1 work, the L-1 visa becomes invalid. At this point, your continuing work for the sponsoring employer would also be on the EAD (I don't know if the company would want you to officially switch to working for them on the EAD instead of L-1). If you were to leave the country, you would need to use AP to re-enter.


Out of curiosity: what martial art(s)?
retzie is offline  
Old Apr 30th 2015, 3:17 pm
  #14  
BE Commentator
 
S Folinsky's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 8,429
S Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Volunteering on an L1 Visa

Originally Posted by ian-mstm
Good questions! From where I sit, so long as he remains in L-1 status he can continue to work for his L-1 sponsor. Since they're handling the AOS, I don't think he can actually stop working for them... but I don't believe having an EAD alters his status at all. With an EAD, he should be able to pick up a second job or start his own business - so long as he remains working for his L-1 sponsor long enough to get a green card... at which point, he can leave the L-1 sponsor and work for whomever he wants.

I'm sure Mr. Folinsky will be able to highlight a specific instance where such advice once went belly up on one of his clients - and therefore serves as a demonstration of my foolhardy response. He'll probably also note that none of us are lawyers.

Ian
OK, you asked for it my dear sanctimonious prick.

I agree with the first paragraph. I do not agree with the second one. The one case I've seen where was a FUBAR was where the non-citizen let both the H-1b and her EAD expire. [I mentioned elsewhere of a case where the attorney passed away]. This was after the June 2007 visa number backlog fiasco. But that was a unique set of facts not present here.
S Folinsky is offline  
Old Apr 30th 2015, 3:22 pm
  #15  
BE Commentator
 
S Folinsky's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 8,429
S Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond reputeS Folinsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Volunteering on an L1 Visa

Originally Posted by retzie
My understanding is that as soon as one makes use of the EAD to take up non-L-1 work, the L-1 visa becomes invalid. At this point, your continuing work for the sponsoring employer would also be on the EAD (I don't know if the company would want you to officially switch to working for them on the EAD instead of L-1). If you were to leave the country, you would need to use AP to re-enter.


Out of curiosity: what martial art(s)?
Hmm, on the pedantic side I would not say that the L-1, either "visa" or "status" becomes invalid provided the underlying employment remains in place.
S Folinsky is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.