slummymummy

Very nice of you to apologise...

So, we still don't know where this moral turpitude really comes from although I'm trying to say it might come from 1795 (see one of my posts above).

Does anyone know?

DavidLemon

Whilst i do not know the authenticity of its statements, this link produces a good read and possible insight to the existence of Moral Turpitude. According to this article, we might believe that the definition was from the 1800s and was introduced by the British Empire.

http://ezinearticles.com/?A-History-...rld&id=5838688

slummymummy

I read it, thanks. Other countries have changed but not the US...

Trixie_b

And that's exactly what I said in my post. and note the "that sort" was in quotes. A country has the right to allow or disallow anyone from stepping over their borders. The CIMT rules are currently unclear and unnecessarily difficult.

But just like the UK stopping the Westborou' Baptist church members from entering into the UK, the USA should keep similar "black balling" techniques.

Steve_

On the crime thing, I would remove any mention of the words "arrested" from the regulations and CBP should not ask the question at the POE either. Question B on I-94W for example asks that question.

Standards of arrest vary massively from country to country and it puts a negative connotation on your entry, even though it could have been an arrest that wouldn't be remotely possible in the US, e.g. due to a political protest.

In many countries they don't read you your rights or anything like that, they just haul you in, so you're not even sure if you have been arrested or not.

slummymummy

Yes totally agree and someone else already mentioned it. Someone can be arrested for something they are innocent of.

A friend of mine was once arrested for no reason (in London) but he's not sure if he was actually arrested or just put in the drunk tank (even though he wasn't even drunk). Was let out in the middle of the night with no explanation. His police record was clear so chose not to declare it. Still stressful though as he was worried that THEY would find out...

Also, I don't think children who were "forced" by their parents to overstay their VWP should have to suffer for that. (They can't use VWP again.) We had a thread about that recently - the music producer guy.

Steve_

Actually thinking about it, wouldn't it be simpler if all the nice parts of the US were annexed by Canada?