visa for pakistani in cuba
Oct 25th 2002, 7:00 pm
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visa for pakistani in cuba
ok here is the problem ppl..i hope u understand it
a friends of mine pakistani male and american female
going to cuba on turist visa..
he is coming from from egypt after he got cuban tourist visa
and she is coming from the states after getting tourist cuabn visa
they gonna meet in cuba..and
intend to get married there..
but no us embassy in cuba..so where shall they go?and..
what r needed papers from him and her in order to get him a visa to the states?
how long does it takes to issue 1?and the costs if possibe?
thank u in advance
a friends of mine pakistani male and american female
going to cuba on turist visa..
he is coming from from egypt after he got cuban tourist visa
and she is coming from the states after getting tourist cuabn visa
they gonna meet in cuba..and
intend to get married there..
but no us embassy in cuba..so where shall they go?and..
what r needed papers from him and her in order to get him a visa to the states?
how long does it takes to issue 1?and the costs if possibe?
thank u in advance
Oct 26th 2002, 4:26 am
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Re: visa for pakistani in cuba
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:00:10 -0700, worried friend wrote:
> ok here is the problem ppl..i hope u understand it a friends of mine
> pakistani male and american female going to cuba on turist visa.. he is
> coming from from egypt after he got cuban tourist visa and she is coming
> from the states after getting tourist cuabn visa
> they gonna meet in cuba..and
> intend to get married there..
> but no us embassy in cuba..so where shall they go?and..
She probably shouldn't go to Cuba in the first place. For American
citizens, it is normally illegal to go to Cuba due to the boycott.
If they want to get an immigrant visa for him based on the marriage, there
are several problems:
- first, from the marriage certificate it would be obvious to the US
consulate that she broke the law. I'm not sure what the penalty is, but
would not rule out that it is a prison term.
- normally, the only place where he can get an immigrant visa is in his
country of citizenship. So after getting married, they'd have to travel to
Pakistan.
> what r needed papers from him and her in order to get him a visa to the
> states?
go to alt.visa.us.marriage-based for details. But they would probably need
his and her birth certificate, the marriage certificate, her tax returns
for the last three years (which must show at least 125% of the poverty
line in income), and evidence that the marriage is bona fide.
> how long does it takes to issue 1?and the costs if possibe?
Given the situation that you describe, it may take a while just to sort
out the issues. Normally, marriage-based immigrant visas take about six
months to a year to process. As far as cost goes, if you do it without an
attorney, I would expect about $500 or so in fees. Don't forget to add the
expense of travelling to Pakistan.
> ok here is the problem ppl..i hope u understand it a friends of mine
> pakistani male and american female going to cuba on turist visa.. he is
> coming from from egypt after he got cuban tourist visa and she is coming
> from the states after getting tourist cuabn visa
> they gonna meet in cuba..and
> intend to get married there..
> but no us embassy in cuba..so where shall they go?and..
She probably shouldn't go to Cuba in the first place. For American
citizens, it is normally illegal to go to Cuba due to the boycott.
If they want to get an immigrant visa for him based on the marriage, there
are several problems:
- first, from the marriage certificate it would be obvious to the US
consulate that she broke the law. I'm not sure what the penalty is, but
would not rule out that it is a prison term.
- normally, the only place where he can get an immigrant visa is in his
country of citizenship. So after getting married, they'd have to travel to
Pakistan.
> what r needed papers from him and her in order to get him a visa to the
> states?
go to alt.visa.us.marriage-based for details. But they would probably need
his and her birth certificate, the marriage certificate, her tax returns
for the last three years (which must show at least 125% of the poverty
line in income), and evidence that the marriage is bona fide.
> how long does it takes to issue 1?and the costs if possibe?
Given the situation that you describe, it may take a while just to sort
out the issues. Normally, marriage-based immigrant visas take about six
months to a year to process. As far as cost goes, if you do it without an
attorney, I would expect about $500 or so in fees. Don't forget to add the
expense of travelling to Pakistan.
Oct 26th 2002, 5:31 am
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but he never went to pakistan b4..
beside he was boen in egypt and already has residence there..
so can't he deal woth pakistai embassy in egypt b4 he travels for what u said he needed to get from travelling there?
as for when she applied for te visa they asked her to fill in all details of her life in order to give her the visa..so y would be that problem to her?
u forgot to mention where they can get married in cuba...and it the legal offices representing the us government located in the swiss embassy in havana able to fix him temp visa till he reach the state and complete the rest of his permenant staying requiremnets?
thank u for ur help and i would be appreciate it if u replied again..
beside he was boen in egypt and already has residence there..
so can't he deal woth pakistai embassy in egypt b4 he travels for what u said he needed to get from travelling there?
as for when she applied for te visa they asked her to fill in all details of her life in order to give her the visa..so y would be that problem to her?
u forgot to mention where they can get married in cuba...and it the legal offices representing the us government located in the swiss embassy in havana able to fix him temp visa till he reach the state and complete the rest of his permenant staying requiremnets?
thank u for ur help and i would be appreciate it if u replied again..
Oct 26th 2002, 2:49 pm
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Tell your friend to have an initial consultation with an attorney before she gets married. . This may prevent a lot of problems down the road.
Oct 26th 2002, 9:24 pm
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Re: visa for pakistani in cuba
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 22:31:07 -0700, worried friend wrote:
> but he never went to pakistan b4..
> beside he was boen in egypt and already has residence there.. so can't
> he deal woth pakistai embassy in egypt b4 he travels for what u said he
> needed to get from travelling there?
If he has permanent residency in Egypt, he can probably deal with the US
consulate in Egypt (the Pakistani embassy in Egypt does not figure into
this at all, since they can't issue US visas).
> as for when she applied for te visa they asked her to fill in all
> details of her life in order to give her the visa..so y would be that
> problem to her?
I don't understand whom or what visa you are talking about here. I thought
we were talking about a Pakistani man, and now you are suddenly talking
about "her".
> u forgot to mention where they can get married in cuba...and it the
> legal offices representing the us government located in the swiss
> embassy in havana able to fix him temp visa till he reach the state and
> complete the rest of his permenant staying requiremnets?
Now I remember what this was referring to. Could you remember to include
the previous post when posting to a newsgroup? That really helps figuring
out the context; with hundreds of posts going on here, I don't always
recall who said what when. The Swiss embassy in Havana represents US
interests. I don't think they can issue visas for the US, though (I seem
to remember that Cubans have to use the US consulate in Mexico). In any
case, they certainly would not be issuing a visa for a Pakistani citizen
for any number of reasons:
- even real US consulates are reluctant to issue visas for third-country
nationals.
- Young men from both Pakistan and Egypt are typically subject to the
security check that has to be done right there.
- somebody who is outside the US and plans to enter the US with the intent
to remain must present an immigrant visa. This is what you refer to as a
"temp visa". It would be blatantly illegal to enter the US on a
non-immigrant visa with the intent to change to immigrant status (there
are a few exceptions, but they do not apply to you).
Bottom line: he will have to return to Egypt or Pakistan (probably his
choice). Meanwhile, it would be a good idea for her to consult with a good
attorney. Given that she was in Cuba probably violating US law, it may not
even be safe to travel to the US for her at all; she should see if she can
consult with an attorney before returning to the US.
By the way, if she does not reside in the US, he won't have a chance of
getting an immigrant visa. So she needs to get this sorted out first.
Ingo
> but he never went to pakistan b4..
> beside he was boen in egypt and already has residence there.. so can't
> he deal woth pakistai embassy in egypt b4 he travels for what u said he
> needed to get from travelling there?
If he has permanent residency in Egypt, he can probably deal with the US
consulate in Egypt (the Pakistani embassy in Egypt does not figure into
this at all, since they can't issue US visas).
> as for when she applied for te visa they asked her to fill in all
> details of her life in order to give her the visa..so y would be that
> problem to her?
I don't understand whom or what visa you are talking about here. I thought
we were talking about a Pakistani man, and now you are suddenly talking
about "her".
> u forgot to mention where they can get married in cuba...and it the
> legal offices representing the us government located in the swiss
> embassy in havana able to fix him temp visa till he reach the state and
> complete the rest of his permenant staying requiremnets?
Now I remember what this was referring to. Could you remember to include
the previous post when posting to a newsgroup? That really helps figuring
out the context; with hundreds of posts going on here, I don't always
recall who said what when. The Swiss embassy in Havana represents US
interests. I don't think they can issue visas for the US, though (I seem
to remember that Cubans have to use the US consulate in Mexico). In any
case, they certainly would not be issuing a visa for a Pakistani citizen
for any number of reasons:
- even real US consulates are reluctant to issue visas for third-country
nationals.
- Young men from both Pakistan and Egypt are typically subject to the
security check that has to be done right there.
- somebody who is outside the US and plans to enter the US with the intent
to remain must present an immigrant visa. This is what you refer to as a
"temp visa". It would be blatantly illegal to enter the US on a
non-immigrant visa with the intent to change to immigrant status (there
are a few exceptions, but they do not apply to you).
Bottom line: he will have to return to Egypt or Pakistan (probably his
choice). Meanwhile, it would be a good idea for her to consult with a good
attorney. Given that she was in Cuba probably violating US law, it may not
even be safe to travel to the US for her at all; she should see if she can
consult with an attorney before returning to the US.
By the way, if she does not reside in the US, he won't have a chance of
getting an immigrant visa. So she needs to get this sorted out first.
Ingo
Oct 27th 2002, 12:35 am
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she resides in usa and she got the tourism visa to cuba..how can u explains that???
Oct 27th 2002, 5:06 am
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Re: visa for pakistani in cuba
On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:35:24 -0700, worried friend wrote:
> she resides in usa and she got the tourism visa to cuba..how can u
> explains that???
Did she also get the permission to travel to Cuba from Department of
Commerce, who is in charge of administering the embargo?
> she resides in usa and she got the tourism visa to cuba..how can u
> explains that???
Did she also get the permission to travel to Cuba from Department of
Commerce, who is in charge of administering the embargo?
Oct 27th 2002, 6:21 am
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no just filled long application in her travel agency and send it by mail..
after 7 business days she received the visa by mail and went to travel agency to book a flight .
no can we discuss her chances of getting married there and after getting good loawyer advice b4 she travell?
after 7 business days she received the visa by mail and went to travel agency to book a flight .
no can we discuss her chances of getting married there and after getting good loawyer advice b4 she travell?
Oct 27th 2002, 6:01 pm
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Ingo Pakleppa wrote:
> For American citizens, it is normally illegal
> to go to Cuba due to the boycott.
How about us LPRs? Could there actually be a benefit to not (yet) being
a USC? ;-)
Thorsten
P.S. Speaking of exotic islands, Ingo, are you still investigating
relocation to some Pacific island?
> For American citizens, it is normally illegal
> to go to Cuba due to the boycott.
How about us LPRs? Could there actually be a benefit to not (yet) being
a USC? ;-)
Thorsten
P.S. Speaking of exotic islands, Ingo, are you still investigating
relocation to some Pacific island?
Oct 27th 2002, 6:15 pm
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Re: visa for pakistani in cuba
On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 00:21:45 -0700, worried friend wrote:
> no just filled long application in her travel agency and send it by
> mail..
> after 7 business days she received the visa by mail and went to travel
> agency to book a flight .
Was she by any chance a former Cuban citizen herself? I think there may
have been exceptions for such people. In any case, what kind of lengthy
form was it?
> no can we discuss her chances of getting married there and after getting
> good loawyer advice b4 she travell?
We are talking about that. If she broke such a US embargo law, it could
very well throw a major monkeywrench into his plans of getting a Green
Card. In fact, that is the only major obstacle that I see in her case.
Without Cuba in the picture, it would be a pretty straightforward matter.
She would have to petition for him, and then he would have to apply for an
immigrant visa at a US consulate in either his country of citizenship or
his country of permanent residence. It is done all the time. However,
without returning to his country of citizenship/residence, it will be near
impossible to go to the US legally.
> no just filled long application in her travel agency and send it by
> mail..
> after 7 business days she received the visa by mail and went to travel
> agency to book a flight .
Was she by any chance a former Cuban citizen herself? I think there may
have been exceptions for such people. In any case, what kind of lengthy
form was it?
> no can we discuss her chances of getting married there and after getting
> good loawyer advice b4 she travell?
We are talking about that. If she broke such a US embargo law, it could
very well throw a major monkeywrench into his plans of getting a Green
Card. In fact, that is the only major obstacle that I see in her case.
Without Cuba in the picture, it would be a pretty straightforward matter.
She would have to petition for him, and then he would have to apply for an
immigrant visa at a US consulate in either his country of citizenship or
his country of permanent residence. It is done all the time. However,
without returning to his country of citizenship/residence, it will be near
impossible to go to the US legally.
Oct 27th 2002, 7:45 pm
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she is pure american..and even more she never been to cuba b4..!
she did not break any law!!
she is going by the book!
but can she get married in cuba?
can she fins help from the us consultant office there?
can she find sneaky lawyer to get her spouse a temp visa tell he get to the states then change it to immigration visa?
she did not break any law!!
she is going by the book!
but can she get married in cuba?
can she fins help from the us consultant office there?
can she find sneaky lawyer to get her spouse a temp visa tell he get to the states then change it to immigration visa?
Oct 28th 2002, 1:01 am
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Thorsten wrote:
> Ingo Pakleppa wrote:
> > For American citizens, it is normally illegal
> > to go to Cuba due to the boycott.
> How about us LPRs? Could there actually be a benefit to not (yet) being
> a USC? ;-)
The same rules apply to permanent residents
> Ingo Pakleppa wrote:
> > For American citizens, it is normally illegal
> > to go to Cuba due to the boycott.
> How about us LPRs? Could there actually be a benefit to not (yet) being
> a USC? ;-)
The same rules apply to permanent residents
Oct 28th 2002, 1:06 am
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Re: visa for pakistani in cuba
worried friend wrote:
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> can she find sneaky lawyer to get her spouse a temp visa tell he get to
> the states then change it to immigration visa?
I don't see how this is possible. It has not been established that she
can get any US visa of any kind for her spouse while in Cuba, even if
she is legally in Cuba. Besides, a lawyer can't issue her a visa anyway
and no one knows whether the US consulate in Cuba (is there a consulate
in Cuba?) will issue one. I personally think she might have a better
chance if her spouse were Cuban.
[ ... ]
> can she find sneaky lawyer to get her spouse a temp visa tell he get to
> the states then change it to immigration visa?
I don't see how this is possible. It has not been established that she
can get any US visa of any kind for her spouse while in Cuba, even if
she is legally in Cuba. Besides, a lawyer can't issue her a visa anyway
and no one knows whether the US consulate in Cuba (is there a consulate
in Cuba?) will issue one. I personally think she might have a better
chance if her spouse were Cuban.
Oct 28th 2002, 2:02 am
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L D Jones
There is a US Ineterests section and I am sure it is issuing visas to Cubans joins their families in USA amond other consular duties.
There is a US Ineterests section and I am sure it is issuing visas to Cubans joins their families in USA amond other consular duties.
Oct 28th 2002, 7:14 am
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well the plan was both of them meet in cuba..get married..
then go back to usa after getting the husband a visa..
my early q's was..is it possible?..what r needed papers?..how long can visa take to be isssued 4 the husband after getting married?
then go back to usa after getting the husband a visa..
my early q's was..is it possible?..what r needed papers?..how long can visa take to be isssued 4 the husband after getting married?