visa denied in Bangkok
Jun 10th 2003, 5:45 pm
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Re: visa denied in Bangkok
For her income documentation she originally supplied 3 years W2
statements, and a notorized letter of employment from her employer. She
has now submitted thet 1040 that was requested.
Is ther anything else that she can/should supply regard her income?
Matthew Udall wrote:
> Originally posted by jeffreyhy
>
>>Matt,
>>With all due respect, yes he did say that she makes over 125% of the
>>poverty level in his original post. I agree with your conclusion that
>>she probably didn't provide satisfactory documentation of that fact.
>>Regards, JEff
>
>
> I stand corrected. I read his posting as saying her 30K put her well
> over the minimum income requirement.
>
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statements, and a notorized letter of employment from her employer. She
has now submitted thet 1040 that was requested.
Is ther anything else that she can/should supply regard her income?
Matthew Udall wrote:
> Originally posted by jeffreyhy
>
>>Matt,
>>With all due respect, yes he did say that she makes over 125% of the
>>poverty level in his original post. I agree with your conclusion that
>>she probably didn't provide satisfactory documentation of that fact.
>>Regards, JEff
>
>
> I stand corrected. I read his posting as saying her 30K put her well
> over the minimum income requirement.
>
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Jun 10th 2003, 6:15 pm
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Re: visa denied in Bangkok
thanks for your response. msrourke
yes... I an aware of the reputation that you speak of, and we did
consider the revesal of the norm as the possible eyebrow raiser. But she
is originally from Thailand so it seem that it should not be so
abnormal. the fiancee is actually a hardworking man who makes a pretty
decent living as the owner of an auto shop.
He said that the officer (a Thai woman) was apathetic in her mannerism,
and would not even look at him. So perhaps she had already formed her
own conclusions about his intent. Durring the interview he got the
feelong that she wanted to give him a hard time... who knows...
Anyway he is going to an Amphur in is home town to prove his singleness
and hopefully he will be able to complete his interview.
regards
ds
msrourke wrote:
> It is possible her income was overlooked. The W-2s vs actual tax forms
> is valid. I have spent a lot of time in Thailand over the years. My job
> requires me to work in the Bangkok frequently virtually every office
> there. I really think the issue here is a reversal of normal, ie, Thai
> female-American male. Your friend's situation is unusual and probably
> raised a few eyebrows. Depending on which officer involved, it is very
> well that the "What the hell?" light is burning bright.
>
> Anybody who has spent any time in Thailand will be able to tell you the
> general reputation, be it right or wrong, that Thai men as a whole
> have. I'm sure the the embassy folks have their opinion in this area
> and they probably can't figure why an American woman would be involved
> with a Thai man.
>
> I have many (well over 30) friends over the years that have completed
> K-1/K-3s through Bangkok and I can't recall an instance where a female
> Thai was required to prove her "singleness". In fact, as I said in
> another thread, Thais have a natural dislike for paperwork and a good
> 80-85% of marriages in Thailand have no legal paperwork behind them.
> Like JEff pointed out, there are a gazillion Amphurs in Thailand and
> they all do business differently. The way Thailand works, he may be as
> single as a newborn or he may be running away from a major wife and a
> small herd of minor wives.... he's the only who knows. There is no
> mechanism in the Thai system to prove what he knows, because in reality,
> the Thai government doesn't know for sure either. Our paperwork was a
> real charm because her parents' births were not recorded, they have no
> earthly idea how old they are or when they were born (her father died
> some time ago and no one put an X on the calendar for that too....)
>
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yes... I an aware of the reputation that you speak of, and we did
consider the revesal of the norm as the possible eyebrow raiser. But she
is originally from Thailand so it seem that it should not be so
abnormal. the fiancee is actually a hardworking man who makes a pretty
decent living as the owner of an auto shop.
He said that the officer (a Thai woman) was apathetic in her mannerism,
and would not even look at him. So perhaps she had already formed her
own conclusions about his intent. Durring the interview he got the
feelong that she wanted to give him a hard time... who knows...
Anyway he is going to an Amphur in is home town to prove his singleness
and hopefully he will be able to complete his interview.
regards
ds
msrourke wrote:
> It is possible her income was overlooked. The W-2s vs actual tax forms
> is valid. I have spent a lot of time in Thailand over the years. My job
> requires me to work in the Bangkok frequently virtually every office
> there. I really think the issue here is a reversal of normal, ie, Thai
> female-American male. Your friend's situation is unusual and probably
> raised a few eyebrows. Depending on which officer involved, it is very
> well that the "What the hell?" light is burning bright.
>
> Anybody who has spent any time in Thailand will be able to tell you the
> general reputation, be it right or wrong, that Thai men as a whole
> have. I'm sure the the embassy folks have their opinion in this area
> and they probably can't figure why an American woman would be involved
> with a Thai man.
>
> I have many (well over 30) friends over the years that have completed
> K-1/K-3s through Bangkok and I can't recall an instance where a female
> Thai was required to prove her "singleness". In fact, as I said in
> another thread, Thais have a natural dislike for paperwork and a good
> 80-85% of marriages in Thailand have no legal paperwork behind them.
> Like JEff pointed out, there are a gazillion Amphurs in Thailand and
> they all do business differently. The way Thailand works, he may be as
> single as a newborn or he may be running away from a major wife and a
> small herd of minor wives.... he's the only who knows. There is no
> mechanism in the Thai system to prove what he knows, because in reality,
> the Thai government doesn't know for sure either. Our paperwork was a
> real charm because her parents' births were not recorded, they have no
> earthly idea how old they are or when they were born (her father died
> some time ago and no one put an X on the calendar for that too....)
>
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Jun 10th 2003, 8:41 pm
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ds
I hope I didn't offend. I do not agree with and I dislike the perceptions that people have of Thais (not just the men), I just stated it as a fact of life. My Thai family is much better than my American family in many ways and I much prefer spending my precious vacation time with them (come on July 15th....).
We have a lawyer in the family (in Thailand) and according to him there is no "right" way or magical document to prove you are single. He thinks a statement from an Amphur will most certainly point out that the statement applies to that Amphur only. A sworn affidavit where he attests to his singleness (are we making up words?? 555) may be a good thing to attach to the statement if the paperwork from the Amphur applies only to that specific Amphur.
I hope the best for your friend and her fiance.... Just maybe this interviewer is off the day he returns, I really think she is the problem here. Please let us know what happens...
Mike
I hope I didn't offend. I do not agree with and I dislike the perceptions that people have of Thais (not just the men), I just stated it as a fact of life. My Thai family is much better than my American family in many ways and I much prefer spending my precious vacation time with them (come on July 15th....).
We have a lawyer in the family (in Thailand) and according to him there is no "right" way or magical document to prove you are single. He thinks a statement from an Amphur will most certainly point out that the statement applies to that Amphur only. A sworn affidavit where he attests to his singleness (are we making up words?? 555) may be a good thing to attach to the statement if the paperwork from the Amphur applies only to that specific Amphur.
I hope the best for your friend and her fiance.... Just maybe this interviewer is off the day he returns, I really think she is the problem here. Please let us know what happens...
Mike
Jun 11th 2003, 6:00 pm
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Re: visa denied in Bangkok
No you did not offend at all. I apreciate the info, and I'll pass your
suggestion along. he'll be back in bkk on monday. he is definitely
hoping for a different officer.
regards
ds
msrourke wrote:
> ds
>
> I hope I didn't offend. I do not agree with and I dislike the
> perceptions that people have of Thais (not just the men), I just stated
> it as a fact of life. My Thai family is much better than my American
> family in many ways and I much prefer spending my precious vacation time
> with them (come on July 15th....).
>
> We have a lawyer in the family (in Thailand) and according to him there
> is no "right" way or magical document to prove you are single. He thinks
> a statement from an Amphur will most certainly point out that the
> statement applies to that Amphur only. A sworn affidavit where he
> attests to his singleness (are we making up words?? 555) may be a good
> thing to attach to the statement if the paperwork from the Amphur
> applies only to that specific Amphur.
>
> I hope the best for your friend and her fiance.... Just maybe this
> interviewer is off the day he returns, I really think she is the problem
> here. Please let us know what happens...
>
> Mike
>
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suggestion along. he'll be back in bkk on monday. he is definitely
hoping for a different officer.
regards
ds
msrourke wrote:
> ds
>
> I hope I didn't offend. I do not agree with and I dislike the
> perceptions that people have of Thais (not just the men), I just stated
> it as a fact of life. My Thai family is much better than my American
> family in many ways and I much prefer spending my precious vacation time
> with them (come on July 15th....).
>
> We have a lawyer in the family (in Thailand) and according to him there
> is no "right" way or magical document to prove you are single. He thinks
> a statement from an Amphur will most certainly point out that the
> statement applies to that Amphur only. A sworn affidavit where he
> attests to his singleness (are we making up words?? 555) may be a good
> thing to attach to the statement if the paperwork from the Amphur
> applies only to that specific Amphur.
>
> I hope the best for your friend and her fiance.... Just maybe this
> interviewer is off the day he returns, I really think she is the problem
> here. Please let us know what happens...
>
> Mike
>
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Aug 10th 2003, 10:54 pm
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Re: visa denied in Bangkok
Yeah, Jeffrey, I am that "IDIOT " USC that mentioned statements
about the Thai marriage to satisfy my wife's parents.
I made a mistake, but a lot of people learn from their
mistakes and are not perfect like some individuals
pretend to be..... BTW, I told the INS I could not prove
something that did not happen and they agreed.
The Idiot
"jeffreyhy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dshack,
> I have heard of a Thai person having to prove they were single only once
> before, and that was to the BCIS (then INS) not the consulate. In that
> case the idiot USC included statements about a Thai wedding ceremony and
> some photos with his I-129f petition, as proof of the seriousness of the
> relationship. The INS, understandably ignorant of Thai law, figured
> that a wedding ceremony could well mean a legal marriage and sent the
> guy a RFE requesting proof that the the couple was not married already.
> In Thailand marriages are registered with a district office, not with
> the national government, similar to the US. So your friend's fiance
> could try going to his district office (called an Amphur) and get a
> statement from them that he does not have a marriage registered there.
> Problem is, in Thailand one can register their marriage at any Amphur -
> it does not have to be the Amphur where one's house registration is
> kept or the Amphur where one actually resides. And the consulate
> officials understand this. There are hundreds of Amphurs in Thailand
> where a marriage could conceivably be registered. Hopefully there's
> more to the issue than you have been told and repeated in your post,
> and your friend's fiance will not have to get a statement from each and
> every Amphur.
> Regards, JEff
> Originally posted by Dshack
> > Hello all,
> >
> > A friend of mine and her fiancee are in the interview stage of
> > the visa
> > process. Her fiancee just interviewed in Bangkok, Thailand and was
> > dinied for the following resons.
> >
> > *The Officer said that he needs to obtain proof that he is single,
> > though he has never been married.
> >
> > *The officer also said that my friend (the sponsor) needs to supply
> > proof that she has paid taxes even though she supplied W2s for
> > the last
> > three years.
> >
> > * the Officer also said that my friend did not have sufficient
> > funds in
> > the bank, although she has around 30k in savings and makes well
> > over the
> > 125% above poverty limit.
> >
> > I have never heard of a person that has never been married having to
> > prove that he or she is single. i am sure the the officer is
> > wrong about
> > the support issue, but I am not sure about the tax question.
> >
> > does anyone have any advice regarding this?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for all responses.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> DS
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about the Thai marriage to satisfy my wife's parents.
I made a mistake, but a lot of people learn from their
mistakes and are not perfect like some individuals
pretend to be..... BTW, I told the INS I could not prove
something that did not happen and they agreed.
The Idiot
"jeffreyhy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dshack,
> I have heard of a Thai person having to prove they were single only once
> before, and that was to the BCIS (then INS) not the consulate. In that
> case the idiot USC included statements about a Thai wedding ceremony and
> some photos with his I-129f petition, as proof of the seriousness of the
> relationship. The INS, understandably ignorant of Thai law, figured
> that a wedding ceremony could well mean a legal marriage and sent the
> guy a RFE requesting proof that the the couple was not married already.
> In Thailand marriages are registered with a district office, not with
> the national government, similar to the US. So your friend's fiance
> could try going to his district office (called an Amphur) and get a
> statement from them that he does not have a marriage registered there.
> Problem is, in Thailand one can register their marriage at any Amphur -
> it does not have to be the Amphur where one's house registration is
> kept or the Amphur where one actually resides. And the consulate
> officials understand this. There are hundreds of Amphurs in Thailand
> where a marriage could conceivably be registered. Hopefully there's
> more to the issue than you have been told and repeated in your post,
> and your friend's fiance will not have to get a statement from each and
> every Amphur.
> Regards, JEff
> Originally posted by Dshack
> > Hello all,
> >
> > A friend of mine and her fiancee are in the interview stage of
> > the visa
> > process. Her fiancee just interviewed in Bangkok, Thailand and was
> > dinied for the following resons.
> >
> > *The Officer said that he needs to obtain proof that he is single,
> > though he has never been married.
> >
> > *The officer also said that my friend (the sponsor) needs to supply
> > proof that she has paid taxes even though she supplied W2s for
> > the last
> > three years.
> >
> > * the Officer also said that my friend did not have sufficient
> > funds in
> > the bank, although she has around 30k in savings and makes well
> > over the
> > 125% above poverty limit.
> >
> > I have never heard of a person that has never been married having to
> > prove that he or she is single. i am sure the the officer is
> > wrong about
> > the support issue, but I am not sure about the tax question.
> >
> > does anyone have any advice regarding this?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for all responses.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> DS
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