are they getting rid of family class visa completely?
May 6th 2007, 2:17 am
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are they getting rid of family class visa completely?
I heard there are talks of completely eliminating family class visa, meaning
that only way to get a green card in the future is H1 or H1-B (both very
hard to get unless you are very important to a company). What is the scoop
on that?
I am guessing family unity isn't important to the government?
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TAI FU
that only way to get a green card in the future is H1 or H1-B (both very
hard to get unless you are very important to a company). What is the scoop
on that?
I am guessing family unity isn't important to the government?
--
TAI FU
May 6th 2007, 3:20 am
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Re: are they getting rid of family class visa completely?
tai fu wrote on 05/05/07 19:17:
> I heard there are talks of completely eliminating family class visa, meaning
> that only way to get a green card in the future is H1 or H1-B (both very
> hard to get unless you are very important to a company). What is the scoop
> on that?
There is something towards eliminating sponsoring of parents in one of the
immigration-related bill discussed in Congress. But that probably has zero
chance of making it into law.
And actually, H1s are easy to get (H1 is the short form for H1-B, btw), there
just is a quota for H1s.
> I am guessing family unity isn't important to the government?
Actually, the focus on family immigration in the US is what doesn't make too
much sense economically. Other countries have realized that long ago...
--
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For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
> I heard there are talks of completely eliminating family class visa, meaning
> that only way to get a green card in the future is H1 or H1-B (both very
> hard to get unless you are very important to a company). What is the scoop
> on that?
There is something towards eliminating sponsoring of parents in one of the
immigration-related bill discussed in Congress. But that probably has zero
chance of making it into law.
And actually, H1s are easy to get (H1 is the short form for H1-B, btw), there
just is a quota for H1s.
> I am guessing family unity isn't important to the government?
Actually, the focus on family immigration in the US is what doesn't make too
much sense economically. Other countries have realized that long ago...
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
May 6th 2007, 4:36 am
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Re: are they getting rid of family class visa completely?
Well my dad told me there are people wanting family class visa eliminated,
and I read somewhere that they were looking into reducing the number of
family visa and increasing employment based visa quota... since employment
visa is pretty hard to get for the US (not like you can get skilled worker
visa like AU/Canada/NZ and stuff) it'd make immigration much harder.
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TAI FU
"Ray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>> I heard there are talks of completely eliminating family class visa,
>> meaning
>> that only way to get a green card in the future is H1 or H1-B (both
>> very
>> hard to get unless you are very important to a company). What is the
>> scoop
>> on that?
>>
>> I am guessing family unity isn't important to the government?
>>
>> --
>> TAI FU
>
> Where do you hear these nonsence talks ...
>
> --
and I read somewhere that they were looking into reducing the number of
family visa and increasing employment based visa quota... since employment
visa is pretty hard to get for the US (not like you can get skilled worker
visa like AU/Canada/NZ and stuff) it'd make immigration much harder.
--
TAI FU
"Ray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] m...
>
>> I heard there are talks of completely eliminating family class visa,
>> meaning
>> that only way to get a green card in the future is H1 or H1-B (both
>> very
>> hard to get unless you are very important to a company). What is the
>> scoop
>> on that?
>>
>> I am guessing family unity isn't important to the government?
>>
>> --
>> TAI FU
>
> Where do you hear these nonsence talks ...
>
> --
May 6th 2007, 4:42 am
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Re: are they getting rid of family class visa completely?
What is important is there is not enough room for the whole freaking planet
inside the US!!!!
"tai fu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I heard there are talks of completely eliminating family class visa,
>meaning that only way to get a green card in the future is H1 or H1-B (both
>very hard to get unless you are very important to a company). What is the
>scoop on that?
>
> I am guessing family unity isn't important to the government?
>
> --
> TAI FU
>
inside the US!!!!
"tai fu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I heard there are talks of completely eliminating family class visa,
>meaning that only way to get a green card in the future is H1 or H1-B (both
>very hard to get unless you are very important to a company). What is the
>scoop on that?
>
> I am guessing family unity isn't important to the government?
>
> --
> TAI FU
>
May 6th 2007, 6:45 am
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Re: are they getting rid of family class visa completely?
tai fu wrote on 05/05/07 21:36:
> Well my dad told me there are people wanting family class visa eliminated,
> and I read somewhere that they were looking into reducing the number of
> family visa and increasing employment based visa quota... since employment
> visa is pretty hard to get for the US
Where in the world did you get the idea that an employment-based visa (assuming
you are talking about H1) is hard to get?
May I suggest learning about this stuff before posting such BS?
> (not like you can get skilled worker
> visa like AU/Canada/NZ and stuff) it'd make immigration much harder.
Huh? H1 requires a college degree, employment-based GCs require degrees (except
the EB3-Others category). Looks like skilled worker visas to me.
Geez, learn about this stuff.
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
> Well my dad told me there are people wanting family class visa eliminated,
> and I read somewhere that they were looking into reducing the number of
> family visa and increasing employment based visa quota... since employment
> visa is pretty hard to get for the US
Where in the world did you get the idea that an employment-based visa (assuming
you are talking about H1) is hard to get?
May I suggest learning about this stuff before posting such BS?
> (not like you can get skilled worker
> visa like AU/Canada/NZ and stuff) it'd make immigration much harder.
Huh? H1 requires a college degree, employment-based GCs require degrees (except
the EB3-Others category). Looks like skilled worker visas to me.
Geez, learn about this stuff.
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
May 6th 2007, 8:06 am
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Re: are they getting rid of family class visa completely?
Well sorry for being misinformed about getting employment based visa but my
understanding is it requires sponsorship and they had to make a good case
about you, and costs them a lot of money. Unless that is something else. One
other one I read about is having a skill in extreme short supply. US
immigration law is way more complex than they let on, and not all of us have
a phD in law.
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TAI FU
"Joe Feise (Immigration)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> tai fu wrote on 05/05/07 21:36:
>
>> Well my dad told me there are people wanting family class visa
>> eliminated,
>> and I read somewhere that they were looking into reducing the number of
>> family visa and increasing employment based visa quota... since
>> employment
>> visa is pretty hard to get for the US
>
>
> Where in the world did you get the idea that an employment-based visa
> (assuming
> you are talking about H1) is hard to get?
> May I suggest learning about this stuff before posting such BS?
>
>> (not like you can get skilled worker
>> visa like AU/Canada/NZ and stuff) it'd make immigration much harder.
>
> Huh? H1 requires a college degree, employment-based GCs require degrees
> (except
> the EB3-Others category). Looks like skilled worker visas to me.
> Geez, learn about this stuff.
> --
> I am not a lawyer.
> For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
understanding is it requires sponsorship and they had to make a good case
about you, and costs them a lot of money. Unless that is something else. One
other one I read about is having a skill in extreme short supply. US
immigration law is way more complex than they let on, and not all of us have
a phD in law.
--
TAI FU
"Joe Feise (Immigration)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> tai fu wrote on 05/05/07 21:36:
>
>> Well my dad told me there are people wanting family class visa
>> eliminated,
>> and I read somewhere that they were looking into reducing the number of
>> family visa and increasing employment based visa quota... since
>> employment
>> visa is pretty hard to get for the US
>
>
> Where in the world did you get the idea that an employment-based visa
> (assuming
> you are talking about H1) is hard to get?
> May I suggest learning about this stuff before posting such BS?
>
>> (not like you can get skilled worker
>> visa like AU/Canada/NZ and stuff) it'd make immigration much harder.
>
> Huh? H1 requires a college degree, employment-based GCs require degrees
> (except
> the EB3-Others category). Looks like skilled worker visas to me.
> Geez, learn about this stuff.
> --
> I am not a lawyer.
> For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
May 6th 2007, 3:13 pm
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Re: are they getting rid of family class visa completely?
tai fu wrote on 05/06/07 01:06:
> Well sorry for being misinformed about getting employment based visa but my
> understanding is it requires sponsorship and they had to make a good case
> about you, and costs them a lot of money.
Yeah, and? There are lots of companies who sponsor people, as is evident by the
H1 quota being filled the first day it opens, and by backlogs in the
employment-based GC categories.
Oh, and define "a lot of money". A couple $1000 is not a lot for a company.
> Unless that is something else. One
> other one I read about is having a skill in extreme short supply.
Define "extreme short supply"...
First, for H1 that's not necessary.
Second, for an employment-based GC, there is a labor market test. That still has
nothing to do with "extreme short supply".
> US
> immigration law is way more complex than they let on, and not all of us have
> a phD in law.
Just being informed is all that is needed...
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
> Well sorry for being misinformed about getting employment based visa but my
> understanding is it requires sponsorship and they had to make a good case
> about you, and costs them a lot of money.
Yeah, and? There are lots of companies who sponsor people, as is evident by the
H1 quota being filled the first day it opens, and by backlogs in the
employment-based GC categories.
Oh, and define "a lot of money". A couple $1000 is not a lot for a company.
> Unless that is something else. One
> other one I read about is having a skill in extreme short supply.
Define "extreme short supply"...
First, for H1 that's not necessary.
Second, for an employment-based GC, there is a labor market test. That still has
nothing to do with "extreme short supply".
> US
> immigration law is way more complex than they let on, and not all of us have
> a phD in law.
Just being informed is all that is needed...
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
May 8th 2007, 6:46 pm
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Re: are they getting rid of family class visa completely?
On May 6, 8:45 am, "Joe Feise (Immigration)" <[email protected]> wrote:
> tai fu wrote on 05/05/07 21:36:
>
> > Well my dad told me there are people wanting family class visa eliminated,
> > and I read somewhere that they were looking into reducing the number of
> > family visa and increasing employment based visa quota... since employment
> > visa is pretty hard to get for the US
>
> Where in the world did you get the idea that an employment-based visa (assuming
> you are talking about H1) is hard to get?
> May I suggest learning about this stuff before posting such BS?
>
> > (not like you can get skilled worker
> > visa like AU/Canada/NZ and stuff) it'd make immigration much harder.
>
> Huh? H1 requires a college degree, employment-based GCs require degrees (except
> the EB3-Others category). Looks like skilled worker visas to me.
> Geez, learn about this stuff.
> --
> I am not a lawyer.
> For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
Dude - what makes you think H1 is easy to get. Try getting an H1 with
Philosophy degree and try working as a customer service rep. If you
are and engineer I agree it is easy to get H1 provided you have the
job, you have a company willing to pay extra 3K to sponsor you etc.
BTW - Canada and most countries have a generous family reunification
program.
Also good luck in getting a spouse in on H1B if the spouse doesn't
have a college degree.
There might be other issues where the spouse doesn't want to work e.g:
wants to take care of the house and kids. On H1B the spouse needs to
work in the US.
> tai fu wrote on 05/05/07 21:36:
>
> > Well my dad told me there are people wanting family class visa eliminated,
> > and I read somewhere that they were looking into reducing the number of
> > family visa and increasing employment based visa quota... since employment
> > visa is pretty hard to get for the US
>
> Where in the world did you get the idea that an employment-based visa (assuming
> you are talking about H1) is hard to get?
> May I suggest learning about this stuff before posting such BS?
>
> > (not like you can get skilled worker
> > visa like AU/Canada/NZ and stuff) it'd make immigration much harder.
>
> Huh? H1 requires a college degree, employment-based GCs require degrees (except
> the EB3-Others category). Looks like skilled worker visas to me.
> Geez, learn about this stuff.
> --
> I am not a lawyer.
> For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
Dude - what makes you think H1 is easy to get. Try getting an H1 with
Philosophy degree and try working as a customer service rep. If you
are and engineer I agree it is easy to get H1 provided you have the
job, you have a company willing to pay extra 3K to sponsor you etc.
BTW - Canada and most countries have a generous family reunification
program.
Also good luck in getting a spouse in on H1B if the spouse doesn't
have a college degree.
There might be other issues where the spouse doesn't want to work e.g:
wants to take care of the house and kids. On H1B the spouse needs to
work in the US.
May 9th 2007, 1:54 am
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Re: are they getting rid of family class visa completely?
Dude - what makes you think H1 is easy to get. Try getting an H1 with
Philosophy degree and try working as a customer service rep. If you
are and engineer I agree it is easy to get H1 provided you have the
job, you have a company willing to pay extra 3K to sponsor you etc.
BTW - Canada and most countries have a generous family reunification
program.
Also good luck in getting a spouse in on H1B if the spouse doesn't
have a college degree.
There might be other issues where the spouse doesn't want to work e.g:
wants to take care of the house and kids. On H1B the spouse needs to
work in the US.
Philosophy degree and try working as a customer service rep. If you
are and engineer I agree it is easy to get H1 provided you have the
job, you have a company willing to pay extra 3K to sponsor you etc.
BTW - Canada and most countries have a generous family reunification
program.
Also good luck in getting a spouse in on H1B if the spouse doesn't
have a college degree.
There might be other issues where the spouse doesn't want to work e.g:
wants to take care of the house and kids. On H1B the spouse needs to
work in the US.
The spouse of an H1-B can enter the country on an H4 visa and specifically CANNOT work in the US.
To work, the spouse needs to find their own company to sponsor an H1-B.
May 9th 2007, 2:05 am
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Re: are they getting rid of family class visa completely?
As of right now, the world population is 6,710,784,472.
The area of the US is over 3,700,000 square miles, or 103,150,080,000,000 square feet.
So, any idiot can see that there's at least 15,371 square feet per freaking person on the planet. If that's not enough for you then you're a very selfish person... or an unusually large one.
May 9th 2007, 2:40 am
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Re: are they getting rid of family class visa completely?
[email protected] wrote on 05/08/07 11:46:
> On May 6, 8:45 am, "Joe Feise (Immigration)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> tai fu wrote on 05/05/07 21:36:
>>
>>> Well my dad told me there are people wanting family class visa eliminated,
>>> and I read somewhere that they were looking into reducing the number of
>>> family visa and increasing employment based visa quota... since employment
>>> visa is pretty hard to get for the US
>> Where in the world did you get the idea that an employment-based visa (assuming
>> you are talking about H1) is hard to get?
>> May I suggest learning about this stuff before posting such BS?
>>
>>> (not like you can get skilled worker
>>> visa like AU/Canada/NZ and stuff) it'd make immigration much harder.
>> Huh? H1 requires a college degree, employment-based GCs require degrees (except
>> the EB3-Others category). Looks like skilled worker visas to me.
>> Geez, learn about this stuff.
>> --
>> I am not a lawyer.
>> For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
>
> Dude - what makes you think H1 is easy to get. Try getting an H1 with
> Philosophy degree and try working as a customer service rep.
Dude, the H1 prerequisite is that the job requires a college degree in a
specific field and that the applicant has that college degree.
It should be obvious that a) a customer service rep doesn't need a college
degree, and that b) somebody with a Philosophy degree can only get an H1 for a
position that requires a Philosophy degree.
So, "dude", please stop posting crap you have no clue about.
> Also good luck in getting a spouse in on H1B if the spouse doesn't
> have a college degree.
Yeah, and? Spouses of people on H1 can get an H4. So, what's the problem?
> There might be other issues where the spouse doesn't want to work e.g:
> wants to take care of the house and kids. On H1B the spouse needs to
> work in the US.
Again, what are you babbling about?
Get a clue, troll.
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
> On May 6, 8:45 am, "Joe Feise (Immigration)" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> tai fu wrote on 05/05/07 21:36:
>>
>>> Well my dad told me there are people wanting family class visa eliminated,
>>> and I read somewhere that they were looking into reducing the number of
>>> family visa and increasing employment based visa quota... since employment
>>> visa is pretty hard to get for the US
>> Where in the world did you get the idea that an employment-based visa (assuming
>> you are talking about H1) is hard to get?
>> May I suggest learning about this stuff before posting such BS?
>>
>>> (not like you can get skilled worker
>>> visa like AU/Canada/NZ and stuff) it'd make immigration much harder.
>> Huh? H1 requires a college degree, employment-based GCs require degrees (except
>> the EB3-Others category). Looks like skilled worker visas to me.
>> Geez, learn about this stuff.
>> --
>> I am not a lawyer.
>> For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
>
> Dude - what makes you think H1 is easy to get. Try getting an H1 with
> Philosophy degree and try working as a customer service rep.
Dude, the H1 prerequisite is that the job requires a college degree in a
specific field and that the applicant has that college degree.
It should be obvious that a) a customer service rep doesn't need a college
degree, and that b) somebody with a Philosophy degree can only get an H1 for a
position that requires a Philosophy degree.
So, "dude", please stop posting crap you have no clue about.
> Also good luck in getting a spouse in on H1B if the spouse doesn't
> have a college degree.
Yeah, and? Spouses of people on H1 can get an H4. So, what's the problem?
> There might be other issues where the spouse doesn't want to work e.g:
> wants to take care of the house and kids. On H1B the spouse needs to
> work in the US.
Again, what are you babbling about?
Get a clue, troll.
--
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For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.
May 9th 2007, 3:43 am
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Re: are they getting rid of family class visa completely?
For those interested here are the links to the various proposals, together with a commentary from Shusterman:
1. The President's new immigration plan which was leaked to the press recently, see
http://shusterman.com/toc-leg.html#6B
2. The Senate bill which was passed in 2006, see
http://shusterman.com/toc-leg.html#6D
3. The STRIVE Act which was introduced in the House of Representatives in March 2007, see
http://shusterman.com/toc-leg.html#6E
All of the above have one important thing in common, and it has nothing to do with amnesty, guest workers or increased levels of immigration enforcement.
All would change the way most people immigrate to the United States. For over 40 years, we have had a family-based system where citizens could apply for their spouses, parents, sons and daughters and brothers and sisters. Less than 10% of immigrants qualify through their jobs. Their employers are required to prove that they are not displacing U.S. workers.
Each of the proposals listed above would make employment-based immigration the main component of our laws. The Senate and House bills would greatly expand the employment-based system by lifting the yearly quota from 140,000 to 500,000 to 1,000,000.
At the same time, under the existing law, over 3.5 million relatives of U.S. citizens and permanent residents have been waiting for five to over 20 years to obtain green cards through their relatives.
The President's plan would go further than the Senate and House bills, and increase employment-based immigration at the expense of family-based immigration. No longer would U.S. citizens be able to apply for their siblings and adult sons and daughters to come to the U.S.
Supporters of the President's proposal like Senator Jeff Sessions (R- ALA) says that without dramatically increasing immigration based on employment, the U.S. will be at a competitive disadvantage worldwide. Critics like Angela Kelley of the National Immigration Forum, say that family-based immigration should remain the cornerstone of our system.
Almost everyone agrees that we will either have a new immigration law in place before August or the issue won't be debated again until 2009.
The question is: Can our immigration system increase the percentage of employment-based immigrants without leaving family-based immigrants out in the cold?
The Senate has set aside the last two weeks in May to discuss Comprehensive Immigration Reform.
We say, "Let the debate begin!"
1. The President's new immigration plan which was leaked to the press recently, see
http://shusterman.com/toc-leg.html#6B
2. The Senate bill which was passed in 2006, see
http://shusterman.com/toc-leg.html#6D
3. The STRIVE Act which was introduced in the House of Representatives in March 2007, see
http://shusterman.com/toc-leg.html#6E
All of the above have one important thing in common, and it has nothing to do with amnesty, guest workers or increased levels of immigration enforcement.
All would change the way most people immigrate to the United States. For over 40 years, we have had a family-based system where citizens could apply for their spouses, parents, sons and daughters and brothers and sisters. Less than 10% of immigrants qualify through their jobs. Their employers are required to prove that they are not displacing U.S. workers.
Each of the proposals listed above would make employment-based immigration the main component of our laws. The Senate and House bills would greatly expand the employment-based system by lifting the yearly quota from 140,000 to 500,000 to 1,000,000.
At the same time, under the existing law, over 3.5 million relatives of U.S. citizens and permanent residents have been waiting for five to over 20 years to obtain green cards through their relatives.
The President's plan would go further than the Senate and House bills, and increase employment-based immigration at the expense of family-based immigration. No longer would U.S. citizens be able to apply for their siblings and adult sons and daughters to come to the U.S.
Supporters of the President's proposal like Senator Jeff Sessions (R- ALA) says that without dramatically increasing immigration based on employment, the U.S. will be at a competitive disadvantage worldwide. Critics like Angela Kelley of the National Immigration Forum, say that family-based immigration should remain the cornerstone of our system.
Almost everyone agrees that we will either have a new immigration law in place before August or the issue won't be debated again until 2009.
The question is: Can our immigration system increase the percentage of employment-based immigrants without leaving family-based immigrants out in the cold?
The Senate has set aside the last two weeks in May to discuss Comprehensive Immigration Reform.
We say, "Let the debate begin!"
May 9th 2007, 4:47 am
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Re: are they getting rid of family class visa completely?
We don't enforce the existing H-1B laws as well as we should. And you say 10% of LEGAL immigrants are qualifying through their jobs. A whole lot of other "illegal" immigrants are de facto qualifying through their jobs too.
Unless we truly turn to a skills-based system where skills are evaluated by the government and do NOT require sponsorship by a specific company, hell, bring back slavery. The slave owners didn't care about family unification, either.