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Old Apr 3rd 2008, 7:34 am
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I was wondering whether it would be possible to take advantage of these facts in order for my Irish girlfriend to be stay here 'legally' but still work for 6-9 months.

1. The IRS is prohibited from talking to immigration USCIS.
2. Executive Order 41 prohibits NYC emergency services and the NYPD from disclosing immigrant status in most situations
3. We know a company who can sponsor her under the J-1 Exchange Visitor Trainee visa even tho they know, and we know she wouldnt want to work there.
4. If you get the J-1 visa, you can legally obtain a social security number.
5. Even though the USCIS would say she'd only be allowed to work at the trainee program, her SSN would be totally valid with the IRS. (Taking advantage of the two departments being disconnected).
6. So she should be able to use that SSN to get work here in NYC.
7. She also shouldn't have any problems coming home, because she wouldnt be overstaying any visa.

Let me explain my situation. I'm an American living in NYC. (I was born here). I have an Irish girlfriend [yes I know this is BRITISH expats, but forget about that for now]. She's living in Ireland and I'm here in NYC. She'd like to come here for about 6 or 9 months and have a 'work holiday' here, working in retail. Ya know like those programs they have in Australia. But she's not eligible for the work holiday programs because she's not a third year university student.

Here's a more illegal version of exploiting the communication barrier between IRS and immigration. The IRS issues something called an ITIN number. Basically it allows someone to file a tax return without a social security number. Except some people are using them to get employment 'the horror'. This doesn't work obviously for a big firm, but smaller companies won't notice. Normally under the VWP visa waiver program, she'd only be allowed to stay 90 days, and not work. But if she applied for the B-2 visitor visa, she could stay 6 months, AND be eligible to apply for extension. Obviously this does not grant work privileges. But if she can use the ITIN to get work, immigration wouldn't even know. Most importantly she would not be overstaying any visas.

Please comment on these ideas!
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Wow, this is going to get ugly...
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Originally Posted by andoman View Post
I was wondering whether it would be possible to take advantage of these facts in order for my Irish girlfriend to be stay here 'legally' but still work for 6-9 months.

1. The IRS is prohibited from talking to immigration USCIS.
2. Executive Order 41 prohibits NYC emergency services and the NYPD from disclosing immigrant status in most situations
3. We know a company who can sponsor her under the J-1 Exchange Visitor Trainee visa even tho they know, and we know she wouldnt want to work there.
4. If you get the J-1 visa, you can legally obtain a social security number.
5. Even though the USCIS would say she'd only be allowed to work at the trainee program, her SSN would be totally valid with the IRS. (Taking advantage of the two departments being disconnected).
6. So she should be able to use that SSN to get work here in NYC.
7. She also shouldn't have any problems coming home, because she wouldnt be overstaying any visa.

Let me explain my situation. I'm an American living in NYC. (I was born here). I have an Irish girlfriend [yes I know this is BRITISH expats, but forget about that for now]. She's living in Ireland and I'm here in NYC. She'd like to come here for about 6 or 9 months and have a 'work holiday' here, working in retail. Ya know like those programs they have in Australia. But she's not eligible for the work holiday programs because she's not a third year university student.

Here's a more illegal version of exploiting the communication barrier between IRS and immigration. The IRS issues something called an ITIN number. Basically it allows someone to file a tax return without a social security number. Except some people are using them to get employment 'the horror'. This doesn't work obviously for a big firm, but smaller companies won't notice. Normally under the VWP visa waiver program, she'd only be allowed to stay 90 days, and not work. But if she applied for the B-2 visitor visa, she could stay 6 months, AND be eligible to apply for extension. Obviously this does not grant work privileges. But if she can use the ITIN to get work, immigration wouldn't even know. Most importantly she would not be overstaying any visas.

Please comment on these ideas!
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Gee.... I'd be SO delighted to help you figure out how to break the law. Just what the forum is for after all.

Oh wait... are there some of us here who spent months and years apart to get our husbands and wives here legally? I'm sure they'll all be extremely sympathetic and helpful to you.
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And her chances of getting a B-2........... slim
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Wow, this is going to get ugly...
Hi:

I won't go into my usual rant. I'll let others do that! However, on a non-legal note, it seems to me that he really doesn't love her, but does like sleeping with her. I may be wrong.
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Hi:

I won't go into my usual rant. I'll let others do that! However, on a non-legal note, it seems to me that he really doesn't love her, but does like sleeping with her. I may be wrong.
And he wants her to work..there's real love
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Hi:

I won't go into my usual rant.
Drats. I broke out the popcorn for nothing? *listens to distant sounds of locks clicking*
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Originally Posted by Folinskyinla View Post
Hi:

I won't go into my usual rant. I'll let others do that! However, on a non-legal note, it seems to me that he really doesn't love her, but does like sleeping with her. I may be wrong.
And on what presumption do you base that hypothesis?

Yay - I'd always wanted to be able to say something like that to you!!!

Don't mind me...
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I was wondering whether it would be possible to take advantage of these facts in order for my Irish girlfriend to be stay here 'legally' but still work for 6-9 months.

1. The IRS is prohibited from talking to immigration USCIS.
2. Executive Order 41 prohibits NYC emergency services and the NYPD from disclosing immigrant status in most situations
3. We know a company who can sponsor her under the J-1 Exchange Visitor Trainee visa even tho they know, and we know she wouldnt want to work there.
4. If you get the J-1 visa, you can legally obtain a social security number.
5. Even though the USCIS would say she'd only be allowed to work at the trainee program, her SSN would be totally valid with the IRS. (Taking advantage of the two departments being disconnected).
6. So she should be able to use that SSN to get work here in NYC.
7. She also shouldn't have any problems coming home, because she wouldnt be overstaying any visa.

Let me explain my situation. I'm an American living in NYC. (I was born here). I have an Irish girlfriend [yes I know this is BRITISH expats, but forget about that for now]. She's living in Ireland and I'm here in NYC. She'd like to come here for about 6 or 9 months and have a 'work holiday' here, working in retail. Ya know like those programs they have in Australia. But she's not eligible for the work holiday programs because she's not a third year university student.

Here's a more illegal version of exploiting the communication barrier between IRS and immigration. The IRS issues something called an ITIN number. Basically it allows someone to file a tax return without a social security number. Except some people are using them to get employment 'the horror'. This doesn't work obviously for a big firm, but smaller companies won't notice. Normally under the VWP visa waiver program, she'd only be allowed to stay 90 days, and not work. But if she applied for the B-2 visitor visa, she could stay 6 months, AND be eligible to apply for extension. Obviously this does not grant work privileges. But if she can use the ITIN to get work, immigration wouldn't even know. Most importantly she would not be overstaying any visas.

Please comment on these ideas!
Everyone's been very polite so far, so let me be the first to say...

F**K you

I sincerely hope she gets deported if you try your little scam. Then you can sleep with her in Ireland until a) you get bored of her or b) her 10-year ban on entering the US expires. Whichever comes first.
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Everyone's been very polite so far, so let me be the first to say...

F**K you

I sincerely hope she gets deported if you try your little scam. Then you can sleep with her in Ireland until a) you get bored of her or b) her 10-year ban on entering the US expires. Whichever comes first.


Now don't hold back with your opinion or anything...
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Does the OP have an issue about commitment? If not, what's to stop him from marrying his Irish girlfriend.

Also, don't Social Security cards have a notation indicating whether the cardholder is eligible for employment? Maybe it's "Not Valid for Employment" or words to that effect.
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The basic thing here is that by working illegally you are no longer staying here legally, so it's all a bit of a moot point.
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The basic thing here is that by working illegally you are no longer staying here legally, so it's all a bit of a moot point.
He's perfectly aware of that Neil. That's why he wrote "legally". He wants advice on how to break the law, not for us to tell him it's illegal.

Andoman, have you considered paying this nice girl to be your girlfriend? Then she wouldn't have to work!

See, I can think outside the box...

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And he wants her to work..there's real love
BTW did Joycee take that job....lol
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BTW did Joycee take that job....lol
Oh yes ... I like to be a kept man ...seems others do ....
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