Barry

    >i am just wondering - does it make a differance if you (one filing for
    >ssn) is male or female ? my sweetie is the male partner in this and he
    >does not have to change last name- does that make a differance?
    >would it be a ok to marry, file AOS, get EAD, then go for the SSN ?
    >why the big thing about SSN before marriage? you can not work before you
    >have EAD anyway right ? i know that many suggest to do the SSN before
    >marriage- but i dont understand why. if someone could explain i would be
    >very thankful.

Most likely he is going to need the SSN for many things to get him started e.g.
bank account, drivers lic. , etc. If he has his SSN before you are married then
when he gets his EAD then he can work ASAP.

ScarlettHill

Hi,

The reason for doing it before marriage is if you wait to apply till after you get your EAD you could have a long wait while they write back to verify that EAD with BCIS. EG I waited, got my EAD in March and applied for ssn same day - I'm still waiting for it. If you get your ssn first then you can start working as soon as you get your EAD. I don't even need that EAD anymore since I've adjusted status so we paid for it and I never got the chance to use it because I had no dratted ssn. Even as a conditional resident with no restriction on my working and no need anymore for work authorisation I'm still waiting for the ssn, still can't work.

My advice - go get it straight away.

Regards
-=-
Scarlett

thing1

Hey Rob,

Sometimes *men* take on the last names of their wives. My thing2 is taking my last name as his middle name (when it is all said and done we will both have the same middle name...my current last name). So he will have to go in and change the name on his SSN card as well as my own.

I'm glad this SSN topic has come up again. I have felt confused about it as well even though I have read oodles of posts about it. We actually scheduled the wedding with the two week wait for applying for SSN in mind. But now it seems we should apply for it right away. I guess it can't hurt...at least I hope not. I'm with you, Mikki, this one area of the process is very confusing about knowing what to do because everyone's experiences vary so dramatically.

When thing2 does apply for his SSN, we'll let everyone know and keep y'all updated on what happens. His plane is due in tonight!

mikkitango

I think it's AWESOME that thing2 is taking your last name as his middle name - first time I've heard of that and I think it's terrific!! Kudos to you things!!!

Mikki

Michael D. Young

thing1 wrote:

    > Originally posted by robclews
    > > *snip*
    > >
    > > It is best in the case of a woman to get it pre marriage, but then you
    > > will have to change it after you marry to alter the name if you are
    > > taking your future husbands last name.
    > >
    > > *snip*
    > >
    > Hey Rob,
    > Sometimes *men* take on the last names of their wives. My thing2 is
    > taking my last name as his middle name (when it is all said and done we
    > will both have the same middle name...my current last name). So he will
    > have to go in and change the name on his SSN card as well as my own.
    > I'm glad this SSN topic has come up again. I have felt confused about
    > it as well even though I have read oodles of posts about it. We
    > actually scheduled the wedding with the two week wait for applying for
    > SSN in mind. But now it seems we should apply for it right away. I
    > guess it can't hurt...at least I hope not. I'm with you, Mikki, this
    > one area of the process is very confusing about knowing what to do
    > because everyone's experiences vary so dramatically.
    > When thing2 does apply for his SSN, we'll let everyone know and keep
    > y'all updated on what happens. His plane is due in tonight!

Hi All,

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203210

RM 00203.210 Changing Numident Data

A. POLICY – CHANGING NUMIDENT DATA—NAME CHANGE

If applying for a corrected SSN card, the applicant must submit one or more
documents identifying him/herself by both the old name (as shown on the
latest Numident record) and the new name. In addition to the person's name,
the identity document(s) must also show information that can be compared
with the Numident data (e.g., age, date of birth, or parents' names). (See
RM 00203.200F. NOTE.)

The applicant may submit either:

One document showing both the old and new names which establishes both
identities (e.g., a court order for a name change or a marriage
certificate). The document must also show either a photograph of the person
or information that can be compared with the Numident data; or

Two documents, one showing the old name and one showing the new name (e.g.,
a driver's license in the old name and a health insurance card in the new
name). At least one of the documents must also show either a photograph of
the person or information that can be compared with the Numident data.

A legal document showing a name change or the basis of the name change
(divorce, marriage, naturalization), although not required, is certainly
acceptable.

The name to be shown on the SSN card (item 1, line 1 on the application)
must match the name on the identity document showing the new name.

B. EXAMPLES OF NAME CHANGES

5. Change of Name Because of Marriage

Lynn Perkins-Walker applies for a replacement SSN card because he is
changing his name. He submits a marriage certificate showing his old name of
Lynn Perkins, his date of birth, and his wife's name (Lesley Walker). Lynn
and Lesley are both changing their last names to “Perkins-Walker.� The
marriage certificate is acceptable evidence for a name change because in the
State where Lynn and Lesley married, the wife may change to the husband's
last name, the husband may change his name to the wife's last name, or they
both may change to a new name.

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200

RM 00203.200 Evidence of Identity for an SSN Card

A. POLICY - GENERAL

2. General Rule

Identity evidence must:

-- Have been established at a later time and for a different purpose than
the birth record; and

-- Be of recent issuance to establish the individual's continued existence.
(Generally, “recent� means a current, unexpired document. The acceptability
of an identity document must be evaluated on a case by case basis, taking
into consideration the applicant's situation and exploring what evidence is
available for the person. For example, if the applicant is a 90 year old
person in a nursing home, an expired driver's license issued 10 or 15 years
ago would probably be acceptable. However, if the applicant is a 30-year old
worker, an expired driver's license issued 10 years ago would not be an
acceptable identity document.)

June2002

Hello everyone,


You have been talking about having the K1, what about if you have the K3. What do you have to do to get your ssn.Hope to hear back from you soon.


Bye for now

Michael D. Young

June2002 wrote:

    > Originally posted by ScarlettHill
    > Hello everyone,
    > You have been talking about having the K1, what about if you have
    > the K3. What do you have to do to get your ssn. Hope to hear back
    > from you soon.

Hi All!

To be assigned a work authorized SSN:

Form SS-5

http://www.ssa.gov/online/ss-5.html

Age- Birth certificate
Identity - Passport or EAD in married name or marriage certificate
Alien status - I-94 with current K-3 status
Work authorization - EAD

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203500

RM 00203.500 Employment Authorization for Nonimmigrants

C. POLICY - EMPLOYMENT AUTHORIZATION BY CLASS OF ADMISSION

2. Aliens Who Require an EAD From INS Authorizing Employment

The following lists nonimmigrants, by alien classification, who are
authorized to work with authorization from INS. Employment authorization
must be shown on an EAD.

K-3 - Spouse of U.S. Citizen (provision of law: 274a.12(a) (6))


Nonwork authorized SSN:

Form SS-5
Birth certificate
Passport in married name or marriage certificate
I-94 with current K-3 status
Valid nonwork reason for needing SSN

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203510

RM 00203.510 Alien Without Work Authorization - Nonwork Need For an SSN

A. POLICY - EVIDENCE REQUIREMENTS FOR OBTAINING AN SSN FOR NONWORK PURPOSES

SSA will not assign an SSN to an alien who does not have INS work
authorization unless the alien has a valid nonwork reason for an SSN.

1. Valid Nonwork Reasons

The only valid nonwork reasons are:

-- If a Federal statute or regulation requires that the alien provide
his/her SSN to get the particular benefit or service;

-- If a State or local law requires the alien legally in the U.S. to provide
his/her SSN to get general assistance benefits to which the alien has
established entitlement or a State driver's license for which all other
requirements have been met.

2. Documentation

Documentation from the appropriate government entity explaining the need for
the SSN.

IMPORTANT: The letter must be dated and on letterhead stationery. It must
specifically identify the alien, the nonwork reason for which an SSN is
required, the relevant statute or regulation, and the name and telephone
number of an official to contact so that the information provided may be
verified. It should state that the alien completed all the requirements to
receive the benefit/service except for an SSN.

NOTE: The documentation cannot be a generic application, form letter, or a
photocopy.

A legal document showing a name change or the basis of the name change
(divorce, marriage, naturalization), although not required, is certainly
acceptable to establish identity.

The name to be shown on the SSN card (item 1, line 1 on the Form SS-5) must
match the name on the identity document..


SSA Office Locator:

http://s3abaca.ssa.gov/pro/fol/fol-home.html

Remember, no matter what your status is or the type of card you are
applying, your status/documents must verifiied with BCIS.


Take care,


Mike

lucymoody

I just asked Rete this question, but I'd like to clarify it with you as well. I'm a K3. Once I get my EAD card (fingers are still crossed), or I try and get an interim EAD card, I'll go to my SSA office. If they see me in the system, great. But, if they need to verify for a long time, I can still work from what I understand from your earlier posts, right? As long as it can be proven that I have applied for a SSN and have an EAD, one is allowed to work.
Just wanted to clarify.....sorry - I know it's been gone through before, but people seem to still be saying that SSNs are needed to start working......
Lucy

Michael D. Young

lucymoody wrote:

    > I just asked Rete this question, but I'd like to clarify it with you as
    > well. I'm a K3. Once I get my EAD card (fingers are still crossed), or
    > I try and get an interim EAD card, I'll go to my SSA office. If they
    > see me in the system, great. But, if they need to verify for a long
    > time, I can still work from what I understand from your earlier posts,
    > right? As long as it can be proven that I have applied for a SSN and
    > have an EAD, one is allowed to work.
    > Just wanted to clarify.....sorry - I know it's been gone through before,
    > but people seem to still be saying that SSNs are needed to start
    > working......

Hi All,

Code of Federal Regulations 26CFR31.6011(b)-2 TITLE 26--INTERNAL REVENUE
PART 31--EMPLOYMENT TAXES AND COLLECTION OF INCOME TAX AT SOURCE--Table of
Contents Subpart G--Administrative Provisions of Special Application to
Employment Taxes Sec. 31.6011(b)-2 Employees' account numbers.

i) Employee who has account number card. If the employee has been issued an
account number card by the Social Security Administration and has the card
available, the employee shall show it to the employer.

ii) Employee who has number but card not available. If the employee does not
have available the account number card issued to him by the Social Security
Administration but knows what his account number is, and what his name is,
exactly as shown on such card, the employee shall advise the employer of
such number and name. Care must be exercised that the employer is correctly
advised of such number and name.

(iii) Employee who has receipt acknowledging application. If the employee
does not have an account number card but has available a receipt issued to
him by an office of the Social Security Administration acknowledging that an
application for an account number has been received, the employee shall show
such receipt to the employer.

2) Additional information to be furnished by employee to employer. Every
employee who on the day on which he is required to comply with paragraph
(b)(1)(i), (ii), (iii), or (iv) of this section, has an account number card
but for any reason does not show such card to the employer on such day shall
promptly thereafter show the card to the employer. An employee who does not
have an account number card on such day shall, upon receipt of an account
number card from the Social Security Administration, promptly show such card
to the employer, if he is still in the employ of that employer.

SSA offices can assist an individual awaiting his or her SSN card by the
following methods:

-- Issuing a notice acknowledging the individual's SSN application while his
or her documents are being verified;

-- Providing upon request, a copy of the individual's UNCERTIFIED SSN
application;

-- Notifying the individual of the SSN assigned, once it has been issued,
before the SSN card is received in the mail; and

-- Sending an SSA-7028, Notice to Third Party of Social Security Number
Assignments, to the individual's employer or other interested third party
once an SSN has been assigned.

K1eadfromchicagobcis

Do a google search on this: rm00202.315 POMS enumerated at entry EAE

It can get you to a SSA website where they have seemingly new rules
about immigrants gettings SSNs. If you follow the links on the
site...one of the documents list categories in which you can easily
get a SSN including if you are a K1. My wife has not received an EAD
but walked in to an SSA office, proved she is here legally on a K1 and
showed her birth certificate and received a card in the mail in about
a week.

The SSA's rules on this are quite explicit on this. if the above doc
doesn't have exactly what you need, click on some of the related links
and you will find it. One of the docs has chart that shows which
immigration classes can automoatically be eligible to get a SSN card.

What the SSA regs actually say is that the BCIS is supposed to let
them know when a K1 arrives and then the SSA will issue a card but
good luck getting the BCIS to send the SSA the info.

Hope this helps





"Michael D. Young" wrote in message news:...
    > lucymoody wrote:
    >
    > > I just asked Rete this question, but I'd like to clarify it with you as
    > > well. I'm a K3. Once I get my EAD card (fingers are still crossed), or
    > > I try and get an interim EAD card, I'll go to my SSA office. If they
    > > see me in the system, great. But, if they need to verify for a long
    > > time, I can still work from what I understand from your earlier posts,
    > > right? As long as it can be proven that I have applied for a SSN and
    > > have an EAD, one is allowed to work.
    > > Just wanted to clarify.....sorry - I know it's been gone through before,
    > > but people seem to still be saying that SSNs are needed to start
    > > working......
    >
    > Hi All,
    >
    > Code of Federal Regulations 26CFR31.6011(b)-2 TITLE 26--INTERNAL REVENUE
    > PART 31--EMPLOYMENT TAXES AND COLLECTION OF INCOME TAX AT SOURCE--Table of
    > Contents Subpart G--Administrative Provisions of Special Application to
    > Employment Taxes Sec. 31.6011(b)-2 Employees' account numbers.
    >
    > i) Employee who has account number card. If the employee has been issued an
    > account number card by the Social Security Administration and has the card
    > available, the employee shall show it to the employer.
    >
    > ii) Employee who has number but card not available. If the employee does not
    > have available the account number card issued to him by the Social Security
    > Administration but knows what his account number is, and what his name is,
    > exactly as shown on such card, the employee shall advise the employer of
    > such number and name. Care must be exercised that the employer is correctly
    > advised of such number and name.
    >
    > (iii) Employee who has receipt acknowledging application. If the employee
    > does not have an account number card but has available a receipt issued to
    > him by an office of the Social Security Administration acknowledging that an
    > application for an account number has been received, the employee shall show
    > such receipt to the employer.
    >
    > 2) Additional information to be furnished by employee to employer. Every
    > employee who on the day on which he is required to comply with paragraph
    > (b)(1)(i), (ii), (iii), or (iv) of this section, has an account number card
    > but for any reason does not show such card to the employer on such day shall
    > promptly thereafter show the card to the employer. An employee who does not
    > have an account number card on such day shall, upon receipt of an account
    > number card from the Social Security Administration, promptly show such card
    > to the employer, if he is still in the employ of that employer.
    >
    > SSA offices can assist an individual awaiting his or her SSN card by the
    > following methods:
    >
    > -- Issuing a notice acknowledging the individual's SSN application while his
    > or her documents are being verified;
    >
    > -- Providing upon request, a copy of the individual's UNCERTIFIED SSN
    > application;
    >
    > -- Notifying the individual of the SSN assigned, once it has been issued,
    > before the SSN card is received in the mail; and
    >
    > -- Sending an SSA-7028, Notice to Third Party of Social Security Number
    > Assignments, to the individual's employer or other interested third party
    > once an SSN has been assigned.

Michael D. Young

K1EADfromChicagoBCIS wrote:

    > Do a google search on this: rm00202.315 POMS enumerated at entry EAE

EAE is only for people that are applying for immigrant visas, of which a K-1 is not. The link is
on this page:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/poms?...nd=1.1.3#1.1.3