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Old May 21st 2003, 4:58 am
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Originally posted by ScarlettHill
Once you enter, the 90 day-period kicks in but it's not clear on the visa, which expires 6 months from visa approval. Technically your K1 visa could still appear valid when you are out of status entirely if you move to the US straight after getting the visa and don't marry within 90 days - the visa would look unexpired but you would be here illegally. Things aren't always as cut and dried as they seem.
It would be clear, because your passport would be marked with the date of entry, the day the 90 day clock starts. It isnt hard for them to tell if you have gone past that 90 days. For example, mine says US Immigration VCV Admitted May 30, 2002 Class K-1 Until 29 Aug 2002 (once on the I-94 and on a seperate passport page too).

The fiance visa is for getting into the US and showing you have a reason for being there (and a reason why you are supposed to be able to get things like SSN's). Like it says on the K1Faq, if they arent helping you then try another office.
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Old May 21st 2003, 5:49 am
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Originally posted by Kiwaberry
It would be clear, because your passport would be marked with the date of entry, the day the 90 day clock starts. It isnt hard for them to tell if you have gone past that 90 days. For example, mine says US Immigration VCV Admitted May 30, 2002 Class K-1 Until 29 Aug 2002 (once on the I-94 and on a seperate passport page too).

The fiance visa is for getting into the US and showing you have a reason for being there (and a reason why you are supposed to be able to get things like SSN's). Like it says on the K1Faq, if they arent helping you then try another office.
Listen, I'm really not interested in winning an argument. I read the K1faq too - it talks about proving you're work authorised. I didn't need to prove that as I had an EAD. I had to prove my EAD was real and for that they had to write to BCIS. I've had the same story from BCIS as the SS office. When the SS office looked me up on computer it said 'must refer back to BCIS". It wasn't going to say something else on the same computer system at another office.

I'm sure some people will get through doing what you did. But the fact is some people won't. I'm glad you got your SS card. I wouldn't wish the hardship we've endured on anyone. All I'm interested in is doing my level best to make sure no one else has to deal with what we're going through. If I was doing this again I wouldn't take the risk of waiting to apply for SSN till after I was married. Half a year with two kids and an income that only just makes it is no joke. Feeling like I can't contribute is no joke. You have your SSN. I'm delighted for you. I want everyone else to get theirs too. So I repeat - till I'm blue in the face - go get your SSN before you marry!

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Old May 21st 2003, 6:04 am
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Originally posted by ScarlettHill
Listen, I'm really not interested in winning an argument. I read the K1faq too - it talks about proving you're work authorised. I didn't need to prove that as I had an EAD. I had to prove my EAD was real and for that they had to write to BCIS. I've had the same story from BCIS as the SS office. When the SS office looked me up on computer it said 'must refer back to BCIS". It wasn't going to say something else on the same computer system at another office.

I'm sure some people will get through doing what you did. But the fact is some people won't. I'm glad you got your SS card. I wouldn't wish the hardship we've endured on anyone. All I'm interested in is doing my level best to make sure no one else has to deal with what we're going through. If I was doing this again I wouldn't take the risk of waiting to apply for SSN till after I was married. Half a year with two kids and an income that only just makes it is no joke. Feeling like I can't contribute is no joke. You have your SSN. I'm delighted for you. I want everyone else to get theirs too. So I repeat - till I'm blue in the face - go get your SSN before you marry!

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And just so you know it's not simply my advice - this is what Rete was saying (and I should have LISTENED to) in October last year:

"....unless you came through on a K-1 and applied before your marriage, you cannot get a SSN without an EAD. ......

....the problem lies now with the fact that the SSA is suppose to verify your status with the INS before issuing the card. This verification can take one week to 8 weeks depending on whether or not your status has been entered into the INS database. And this verification is not done by all SSA offices so you might be one of the lucky ones who walks in, applies and walks out with a promise of a number in 10 days."

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...eferrerid=4283

That 8 weks has turned into months in my case. I wasn't one of the lucky ones. Why would anyone trust to luck if they don't have to?

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Old May 21st 2003, 8:48 am
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There is no need to be rude to me. I am sorry that you had such a problem getting yours but it is no reason to jump on those that didnt have such a hassel.
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Mikki,

I think you're right, but that 90-day EAD is no more temporary than is the 1-year EAD that one applies for after (or at the same time as) applying for AOS. It simply has a different period of validity until it expires.

Good luck to you.

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Originally posted by mikkitango
I think Leslie was probably referring to the EAD stamp which is sometimes issued at the POE and is only valid for 90 days.

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Old May 21st 2003, 10:38 am
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mikkitango wrote:

    > I'm sorry folks, but I am SO confused about this!! I've been searching
    > for prior posts and the more I read the more confusing it seems. I'm
    > hoping that someone who has been through this recently can clarify for
    > me. I've read posts that say get the SSN right away - go and apply
    > asap after arrival in the US! I've read posts that say wait 2 weeks
    > before going because going too soon only causes delays for you due to
    > systems not having your info!
    > When is the best time to apply for the SSN?? I KNOW this has been
    > discussed but I've been reading old posts for hours and it just becomes
    > a muddier issue the more I read...

Hi All!

Well since the pressure has been put on me here goes. LOL I assume we
are talking about someone with K-1 status. I say go as soon as you can to
apply and the SSA office is open. Yes it is true that you might not be in
the online system, but if you wait and still aren't in system that's 14
days you have lost. SSA will not issue an SSN to a person that is within
14 days of being out of status even if the G-845 verification comes back
saying you are OK. So after waiting 14 days you are down to 62 days to
get verified before you need the EAD card. Then that needs to be
verified. Plus as I said before there is nothing to stop you from going
back into the SSA office to ask them to again query the online system after
the G-845 has been sent. So if you miss the first time and go back in 14
days and ask them to query the online system again and you are in there,
great. If not the G-845 has a 14 day head start. Just be sure to take
all your document with you every time you go to the SSA office.

I don't mind people asking me private questions and I don't wear PJs. LOL


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Old May 21st 2003, 10:51 am
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Kiwaberry wrote:

    > Originally posted by ScarlettHill
    > > Once you enter, the 90 day-period kicks in but it's not clear on the
    > > visa, which expires 6 months from visa approval. Technically your K1
    > > visa could still appear valid when you are out of status entirely if
    > > you move to the US straight after getting the visa and don't marry
    > > within 90 days - the visa would look unexpired but you would be here
    > > illegally. Things aren't always as cut and dried as they seem.
    > >
    > It would be clear, because your passport would be marked with the date
    > of entry, the day the 90 day clock starts. It isnt hard for them to tell
    > if you have gone past that 90 days. For example, mine says US
    > Immigration VCV Admitted May 30, 2002 Class K-1 Until 29 Aug 2002 (once
    > on the I-94 and on a seperate passport page too).
    > The fiance visa is for getting into the US and showing you have a reason
    > for being there (and a reason why you are supposed to be able to get
    > things like SSN's). Like it says on the K1Faq, if they arent helping you
    > then try another office.

Hi All!

Going to another office used to be worth a try, but since every office is
tapping into the same system and checking everyone, there isn't much use in
going to another office unless they did something stupid like refuse to take
your application. Every SSA office in the area is probably going to use the
same BCIS office if the G-845 needs to be sent, so nothing to gain there
either.

Take care,


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Old May 21st 2003, 11:08 am
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ScarlettHill wrote:

    > Originally posted by Kiwaberry
    > > It would be clear, because your passport would be marked with the date
    > > of entry, the day the 90 day clock starts. It isnt hard for them to
    > > tell if you have gone past that 90 days. For example, mine says US
    > > Immigration VCV Admitted May 30, 2002 Class K-1 Until 29 Aug 2002
    > > (once on the I-94 and on a seperate passport page too).
    > >
    > > The fiance visa is for getting into the US and showing you have a
    > > reason for being there (and a reason why you are supposed to be able
    > > to get things like SSN's). Like it says on the K1Faq, if they arent
    > > helping you then try another office.
    > Listen, I'm really not interested in winning an argument. I read the
    > K1faq too - it talks about proving you're work authorised. I didn't need
    > to prove that as I had an EAD. I had to prove my EAD was real and for
    > that they had to write to BCIS. I've had the same story from BCIS as the
    > SS office. When the SS office looked me up on computer it said 'must
    > refer back to BCIS". It wasn't going to say something else on the same
    > computer system at another office.
    > I'm sure some people will get through doing what you did. But the fact
    > is some people won't. I'm glad you got your SS card. I wouldn't wish the
    > hardship we've endured on anyone. All I'm interested in is doing my
    > level best to make sure no one else has to deal with what we're going
    > through. If I was doing this again I wouldn't take the risk of waiting
    > to apply for SSN till after I was married. Half a year with two kids and
    > an income that only just makes it is no joke. Feeling like I can't
    > contribute is no joke. You have your SSN. I'm delighted for you. I want
    > everyone else to get theirs too. So I repeat - till I'm blue in the face
    > - go get your SSN before you marry!

Hi All,

Which SSA office was this and have you gone back to ask them to check the
online system again? I don't understand why they are telling you that you
will not get your SSN until you have your I-551 card. I assume your EAD is
still valid and by now that should be in the system, so there shouldn't have
been a need for a second G-845 to be sent.

You might want to send an message to SSA tomorrow with "Social Security
Number or card" as your subject.

http://www.ssa.gov/feedback/index.htm


Take care,

Mike
 
Old May 21st 2003, 11:11 am
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ScarlettHill wrote:

    > Originally posted by ScarlettHill
    > > Listen, I'm really not interested in winning an argument. I read the
    > > K1faq too - it talks about proving you're work authorised. I didn't
    > > need to prove that as I had an EAD. I had to prove my EAD was real and
    > > for that they had to write to BCIS. I've had the same story from BCIS
    > > as the SS office. When the SS office looked me up on computer it said
    > > 'must refer back to BCIS". It wasn't going to say something else on
    > > the same computer system at another office.
    > >
    > > I'm sure some people will get through doing what you did. But the fact
    > > is some people won't. I'm glad you got your SS card. I wouldn't wish
    > > the hardship we've endured on anyone. All I'm interested in is doing
    > > my level best to make sure no one else has to deal with what we're
    > > going through. If I was doing this again I wouldn't take the risk of
    > > waiting to apply for SSN till after I was married. Half a year with
    > > two kids and an income that only just makes it is no joke. Feeling
    > > like I can't contribute is no joke. You have your SSN. I'm delighted
    > > for you. I want everyone else to get theirs too. So I repeat - till
    > > I'm blue in the face - go get your SSN before you marry!
    > >
    > > Regards
    > > -=-
    > > Scarlett
    > And just so you know it's not simply my advice - this is what Rete was
    > saying (and I should have LISTENED to) in October last year:
    > "....unless you came through on a K-1 and applied before your marriage,
    > you cannot get a SSN without an EAD. ......
    > ...the problem lies now with the fact that the SSA is suppose to verify
    > your status with the INS before issuing the card. This verification can
    > take one week to 8 weeks depending on whether or not your status has
    > been entered into the INS database. And this verification is not done by
    > all SSA offices so you might be one of the lucky ones who walks in,
    > applies and walks out with a promise of a number in 10 days."

Hi All,

Sorry, but ever alien gets their status/documents verified with BCIS at all
SSA offices.


Take care,


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Old May 21st 2003, 2:11 pm
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Thank you!! Okay, I'm going to rush on over to the SSA office as soon as possible after I arrive in Denver. And now, I'm going to stop fussing about this particular issue! I appreciate everyone's responses!

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Oops! I lied, I'm not quite ready to stop fussing. I went to the SSA website to see if I could download the application and also to find out what documentation they want. Well, they've changed the site recently and I can't find anything about the K-1 there! It's got to be there, but darned if I can get to it. Has anyone else looked at that site recently. I know I looked once before and got a page that very specifically discussed K-1 documents and getting the number. Now all I can find is a page about immigrants and it talks about the DS-230 Part II that is now used for applying. AHHHHH!!! Pulling my hair out - I've been searching that site for the past hour and I'm getting nowhere! Can anyone help me with this PLEASE!!!! Thanks!

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mikkitango wrote:

    > Oops! I lied, I'm not quite ready to stop fussing. I went to the SSA
    > website to see if I could download the application and also to find out
    > what documentation they want. Well, they've changed the site recently
    > and I can't find anything about the K-1 there! It's got to be there,
    > but darned if I can get to it. Has anyone else looked at that site
    > recently. I know I looked once before and got a page that very
    > specifically discussed K-1 documents and getting the number. Now all I
    > can find is a page about immigrants and it talks about the DS-230 Part
    > II that is now used for applying. AHHHHH!!! Pulling my hair out -
    > I've been searching that site for the past hour and I'm getting nowhere!
    > Can anyone help me with this PLEASE!!!! Thanks!

Hi All!

I was just looking at it yesterday. LOL

Need Form SS-5, Birth certificate, passport and I-94 showing current K-1
status.

Form SS-5

http://www.ssa.gov/online/ss-5.html


Find your local office:

http://s3abaca.ssa.gov/pro/fol/fol-home.html


http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203001

RM 00203.001 Evidence Required for an SSN Card

C. POLICY - EVIDENCE FOR AN ORIGINAL (OR NEW) SSN

1. Work Authorized SSN Card

Alien allowed to work (either foreign-born or U.S.-born)

Age,

Identity and

Work authorized lawful alien status

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203500

RM 00203.500 Employment Authorization for Nonimmigrants

C. POLICY - EMPLOYMENT AUTHORIZATION BY CLASS OF ADMISSION

1. Aliens Work Authorized Without Specific INS Authorization

The following lists nonimmigrants, by alien classification, who are
authorized to work in the U.S. without specific authorization from INS. The
alien’s I-94 will not have the INS employment authorization stamp and the
alien will not have an EAD.

K-1 Fiance(e) of U.S. citizen


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MUCH APPRECIATED!! THANKS!

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Old May 22nd 2003, 12:57 am
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Michael - thanks for all your clarification and helpful advice.

(I don't have to wait for the green card but the officer I saw Monday said the green card processing should mean the BCIS computer should be updated with my details within the next two weeks. So I'm going to try waiting for that as it's quicker than waiting another 2 months for EAD verification.)

And Kiwaberry, I certainly didn't mean you to take anything I said as rude. I believe I told you I was delighted you had your SSN. I am, and the only reason I keep on shouting about this issue is I want other people to get theirs too in as hassle-free a way as possible. I think Michael has cleared the muddy waters though so I'll pipe down a while


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Originally posted by ScarlettHill
The BIG point is to get the SSN BFORE you marry.
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i am just wondering - does it make a differance if you (one filing for ssn) is male or female ? my sweetie is the male partner in this and he does not have to change last name- does that make a differance?

would it be a ok to marry, file AOS, get EAD, then go for the SSN ?

why the big thing about SSN before marriage? you can not work before you have EAD anyway right ? i know that many suggest to do the SSN before marriage- but i dont understand why. if someone could explain i would be very thankful.
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