SS and name change
Oct 11th 2002, 6:59 pm
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SS and name change
So, my wife and I go to Social Security to get her number and a name change.
We have all of her original Thai documents, the original and certified
copies of our marriage certificate and her brand new Work Authorization Card
(just had her FBI fingerprints done). The lady over there tells us that she
can't have a SSN with my last name, just her Thai name because that's what's
on her work card ... she insists they must match. So, if we want the SSN in
her married name, she said go back to the INS and have them change the name
on the work card. Clearly, she hadn't a clue about how virtually impossible
that is to do. Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
We have all of her original Thai documents, the original and certified
copies of our marriage certificate and her brand new Work Authorization Card
(just had her FBI fingerprints done). The lady over there tells us that she
can't have a SSN with my last name, just her Thai name because that's what's
on her work card ... she insists they must match. So, if we want the SSN in
her married name, she said go back to the INS and have them change the name
on the work card. Clearly, she hadn't a clue about how virtually impossible
that is to do. Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
Oct 11th 2002, 7:21 pm
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Re: SS and name change
We've seen this before. I believe it's wrong. All you need for a name change
with the SS is the marriage certificate to show the reason for the change
and proof of identity. You are using the EAD for proof of identify so their
argument that the name on their must be her married name is ridiculous - if
you used the same logic for a USC they would say your birth certificate had
to match your new married name! Unfortunately the best thing to do was for
your wife to use her new name on all INS paperwork but it's too late for
that. Anyway, you have a few choices:
a) Wait until the AOS interview. Your wife can change the name she'll have
on the GC then.
b) Back to the SS office, try to speak with a supervisor and clear it up
c) Try a different SS office or two.
Note that until you sort this out with the SS you'll have to use her maiden
name for tax returns because they now check the names match and throw them
out if they don't.
Andy.
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> So, my wife and I go to Social Security to get her number and a name
change.
> We have all of her original Thai documents, the original and certified
> copies of our marriage certificate and her brand new Work Authorization
Card
> (just had her FBI fingerprints done). The lady over there tells us that
she
> can't have a SSN with my last name, just her Thai name because that's
what's
> on her work card ... she insists they must match. So, if we want the SSN
in
> her married name, she said go back to the INS and have them change the
name
> on the work card. Clearly, she hadn't a clue about how virtually
impossible
> that is to do. Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
with the SS is the marriage certificate to show the reason for the change
and proof of identity. You are using the EAD for proof of identify so their
argument that the name on their must be her married name is ridiculous - if
you used the same logic for a USC they would say your birth certificate had
to match your new married name! Unfortunately the best thing to do was for
your wife to use her new name on all INS paperwork but it's too late for
that. Anyway, you have a few choices:
a) Wait until the AOS interview. Your wife can change the name she'll have
on the GC then.
b) Back to the SS office, try to speak with a supervisor and clear it up
c) Try a different SS office or two.
Note that until you sort this out with the SS you'll have to use her maiden
name for tax returns because they now check the names match and throw them
out if they don't.
Andy.
--
I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
"IMWeasle" wrote in message
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> So, my wife and I go to Social Security to get her number and a name
change.
> We have all of her original Thai documents, the original and certified
> copies of our marriage certificate and her brand new Work Authorization
Card
> (just had her FBI fingerprints done). The lady over there tells us that
she
> can't have a SSN with my last name, just her Thai name because that's
what's
> on her work card ... she insists they must match. So, if we want the SSN
in
> her married name, she said go back to the INS and have them change the
name
> on the work card. Clearly, she hadn't a clue about how virtually
impossible
> that is to do. Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
Oct 11th 2002, 8:23 pm
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Re: SS and name change
Waiting for the GC can take a long time. I had to extend my
work permit twice already.
You need to do that every year, so change the name on the
Work Permit when asking for an extension and go back to the SS.
steg
Andy Platt wrote:
> a) Wait until the AOS interview. Your wife can change the name she'll have
> on the GC then.
> b) Back to the SS office, try to speak with a supervisor and clear it up
> c) Try a different SS office or two.
> Note that until you sort this out with the SS you'll have to use her maiden
> name for tax returns because they now check the names match and throw them
> out if they don't.
> Andy.
> --
> I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
> "IMWeasle" wrote in message
> news:OcFp9.14$eX5.2@newssvr1-
> 9.news.prodigy.com ...
> > So, my wife and I go to Social Security to get her number and a name
> change.
> > We have all of her original Thai documents, the original and certified
> > copies of our marriage certificate and her brand new Work Authorization
> Card
> > (just had her FBI fingerprints done). The lady over there tells us that
> she
> > can't have a SSN with my last name, just her Thai name because that's
> what's
> > on her work card ... she insists they must match. So, if we want the SSN
> in
> > her married name, she said go back to the INS and have them change the
> name
> > on the work card. Clearly, she hadn't a clue about how virtually
> impossible
> > that is to do. Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
> >
work permit twice already.
You need to do that every year, so change the name on the
Work Permit when asking for an extension and go back to the SS.
steg
Andy Platt wrote:
> a) Wait until the AOS interview. Your wife can change the name she'll have
> on the GC then.
> b) Back to the SS office, try to speak with a supervisor and clear it up
> c) Try a different SS office or two.
> Note that until you sort this out with the SS you'll have to use her maiden
> name for tax returns because they now check the names match and throw them
> out if they don't.
> Andy.
> --
> I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
> "IMWeasle" wrote in message
> news:OcFp9.14$eX5.2@newssvr1-
> 9.news.prodigy.com ...
> > So, my wife and I go to Social Security to get her number and a name
> change.
> > We have all of her original Thai documents, the original and certified
> > copies of our marriage certificate and her brand new Work Authorization
> Card
> > (just had her FBI fingerprints done). The lady over there tells us that
> she
> > can't have a SSN with my last name, just her Thai name because that's
> what's
> > on her work card ... she insists they must match. So, if we want the SSN
> in
> > her married name, she said go back to the INS and have them change the
> name
> > on the work card. Clearly, she hadn't a clue about how virtually
> impossible
> > that is to do. Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
> >
Oct 12th 2002, 1:26 am
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Re: SS and name change
Andy Platt wrote:
> We've seen this before. I believe it's wrong. All you need for a name change
> with the SS is the marriage certificate to show the reason for the change
> and proof of identity. You are using the EAD for proof of identify so their
> argument that the name on their must be her married name is ridiculous - if
> you used the same logic for a USC they would say your birth certificate had
> to match your new married name! Unfortunately the best thing to do was for
> your wife to use her new name on all INS paperwork but it's too late for
> that.
Hi All!
http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/-
lnx/0100203210
RM 00203.210 Changing Numident Data
A. POLICY CHANGING NUMIDENT DATA ;NAME CHANGE
The applicant may submit either:
One document showing both the old and new names which establishes both
identities (e.g., a court order for a name change or a marriage certificate).
The document must also show either a photograph of the person or information
that can be compared with the Numident data; or
Two documents, one showing the old name and one showing the new name (e.g., a
driver's license in the old name and a health insurance card in the new name).
At least one of the documents must also show either a photograph of the person
or information that can be compared with the Numident data.
B. EXAMPLES OF NAME CHANGES
3. Alien Changes Name To One Different Than Shown On INS Document
A woman applies for a replacement SSN card. She:
Completes an SS-5 showing her first name as Monica, her middle name as Perez,
and her last name as Smith;
Completes the other names used field, showing that name as "Monica Cruz Perez;"
Signs the SS-5 as "Monica Smith;"
Submits a driver's license with her photograph and showing the name Monica
Smith; and
Submits an INS employment authorization card with her photograph and showing her
name as "Cruz Perez, Monica."
The name to be shown on the card agrees with the name on the identity document
in that name (the
driver's license). However, since the last Numident record shows her name as
"Monica" (first name),
"Cruz" (middle name), "Perez" (last name), a name that is not reflected on
either the identity document
or the INS document submitted, and because the prior Numident record does not
show her prior last
name as "Cruz Perez," as it is shown on the INS document, when the other names
used information is
entered, it should be entered as "Monica"(first name) "Cruz Perez" (last name).
The compound
surname must be entered the same way it is shown on the INS document which is
the document
submitted showing the identity in the old name. Advise the NH to also contact
INS to change her
surname to "Smith" with that agency.
http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/-
lnx/0100203200
RM 00203.200 Evidence of Identity for an SSN Card
4. General Rule
NOTE: A birth record establishes a fact of birth (i.e., that the person was
born). It is not sufficient
evidence to establish identity for SSA purposes because it does not establish
the person's continued
existence. Therefore, SSA does not accept a birth record as an identity
document. SSA needs
evidence that shows the individual continues to exist beyond the date of birth
up to the present time.
Take care,
Mike
> We've seen this before. I believe it's wrong. All you need for a name change
> with the SS is the marriage certificate to show the reason for the change
> and proof of identity. You are using the EAD for proof of identify so their
> argument that the name on their must be her married name is ridiculous - if
> you used the same logic for a USC they would say your birth certificate had
> to match your new married name! Unfortunately the best thing to do was for
> your wife to use her new name on all INS paperwork but it's too late for
> that.
Hi All!
http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/-
lnx/0100203210
RM 00203.210 Changing Numident Data
A. POLICY CHANGING NUMIDENT DATA ;NAME CHANGE
The applicant may submit either:
One document showing both the old and new names which establishes both
identities (e.g., a court order for a name change or a marriage certificate).
The document must also show either a photograph of the person or information
that can be compared with the Numident data; or
Two documents, one showing the old name and one showing the new name (e.g., a
driver's license in the old name and a health insurance card in the new name).
At least one of the documents must also show either a photograph of the person
or information that can be compared with the Numident data.
B. EXAMPLES OF NAME CHANGES
3. Alien Changes Name To One Different Than Shown On INS Document
A woman applies for a replacement SSN card. She:
Completes an SS-5 showing her first name as Monica, her middle name as Perez,
and her last name as Smith;
Completes the other names used field, showing that name as "Monica Cruz Perez;"
Signs the SS-5 as "Monica Smith;"
Submits a driver's license with her photograph and showing the name Monica
Smith; and
Submits an INS employment authorization card with her photograph and showing her
name as "Cruz Perez, Monica."
The name to be shown on the card agrees with the name on the identity document
in that name (the
driver's license). However, since the last Numident record shows her name as
"Monica" (first name),
"Cruz" (middle name), "Perez" (last name), a name that is not reflected on
either the identity document
or the INS document submitted, and because the prior Numident record does not
show her prior last
name as "Cruz Perez," as it is shown on the INS document, when the other names
used information is
entered, it should be entered as "Monica"(first name) "Cruz Perez" (last name).
The compound
surname must be entered the same way it is shown on the INS document which is
the document
submitted showing the identity in the old name. Advise the NH to also contact
INS to change her
surname to "Smith" with that agency.
http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/-
lnx/0100203200
RM 00203.200 Evidence of Identity for an SSN Card
4. General Rule
NOTE: A birth record establishes a fact of birth (i.e., that the person was
born). It is not sufficient
evidence to establish identity for SSA purposes because it does not establish
the person's continued
existence. Therefore, SSA does not accept a birth record as an identity
document. SSA needs
evidence that shows the individual continues to exist beyond the date of birth
up to the present time.
Take care,
Mike
