Sponsorship.
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Sponsorship.
Hi,
I am a film-maker (mostly directing music video's in the UK) and I am writing to seek any advice that anyone may have regarding my situation.
I want to go to LA to show my work to studios, production companies and talent agencies to hopefully gain a sponsor or someone who is willing to keep me out in LA to shoot music videos, commercials etc
Would this be possible to do on an ESTA? or is there a specific visa that i need to get hold of?
Many thanks in advance.
I am a film-maker (mostly directing music video's in the UK) and I am writing to seek any advice that anyone may have regarding my situation.
I want to go to LA to show my work to studios, production companies and talent agencies to hopefully gain a sponsor or someone who is willing to keep me out in LA to shoot music videos, commercials etc
Would this be possible to do on an ESTA? or is there a specific visa that i need to get hold of?
Many thanks in advance.
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Re: Sponsorship.
ESTA is travel authorization, but I understand what you mean. Is this possible on the Visa Waiver Program (VWP)? Yes. You are allowed to flog your talents and go to interviews. The only thing you can't do, is sign a contract because in that moment, you become a de facto employee. I wouldn't necessarily carry a bunch of résumés with you... because that might trigger some questions you don't want asked.
Ian
Ian
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ESTA is travel authorization, but I understand what you mean. Is this possible on the Visa Waiver Program (VWP)? Yes. You are allowed to flog your talents and go to interviews. The only thing you can't do, is sign a contract because in that moment, you become a de facto employee. I wouldn't necessarily carry a bunch of résumés with you... because that might trigger some questions you don't want asked.
Ian
Ian
Further, if you do find an interested employer, and they offer you a job, your question to them should be "which visa will you be petitioning me for"? It is up to the employer to begin your work visa process. If they hem ad haw, or they don't know, or they say it's up to you...then that job is not going to work out.
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Re: Sponsorship.
ESTA is travel authorization, but I understand what you mean. Is this possible on the Visa Waiver Program (VWP)? Yes. You are allowed to flog your talents and go to interviews. The only thing you can't do, is sign a contract because in that moment, you become a de facto employee. I wouldn't necessarily carry a bunch of résumés with you... because that might trigger some questions you don't want asked.
Ian
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Also, I understand I will need to network, travel and meet people while in LA so hopefully you can help me with another query. Im going to give myself 2 months March 1st - May 1st to create initial relationships and just to do a lot of ground work, then return to the UK from May 1st - Mid June just to stay out of the country and reduce any speculation of me trying to over stay, but then return Mid June - Late August...both visits are under 90 days at a time and the total do not amount to more than 180 days. Is this acceptable?
Thank you again
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Re: Sponsorship.
+1 to what Ian said.
Further, if you do find an interested employer, and they offer you a job, your question to them should be "which visa will you be petitioning me for"? It is up to the employer to begin your work visa process. If they hem ad haw, or they don't know, or they say it's up to you...then that job is not going to work out.
Rene
Further, if you do find an interested employer, and they offer you a job, your question to them should be "which visa will you be petitioning me for"? It is up to the employer to begin your work visa process. If they hem ad haw, or they don't know, or they say it's up to you...then that job is not going to work out.
Rene
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Re: Sponsorship.
Is this acceptable?
Ian
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I've worked with several of the studios, mainly previz with Universal so I know enough to be dangerous.
Most of this work is on contract though, on a per job basis.There are very few permanent jobs for creative types in the movie industry anymore. And it's getting worse.
It's unlikely you'd get a sponsor as there isn't any lack of highly qualified experienced people who are unable to get regular work. Practically none....
A better idea might be setting up your own business and bidding for work but that would obviously take investment money.
Most of this work is on contract though, on a per job basis.There are very few permanent jobs for creative types in the movie industry anymore. And it's getting worse.
It's unlikely you'd get a sponsor as there isn't any lack of highly qualified experienced people who are unable to get regular work. Practically none....
A better idea might be setting up your own business and bidding for work but that would obviously take investment money.
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Re: Sponsorship.
I've worked with several of the studios, mainly previz with Universal so I know enough to be dangerous.
Most of this work is on contract though, on a per job basis.There are very few permanent jobs for creative types in the movie industry anymore. And it's getting worse.
It's unlikely you'd get a sponsor as there isn't any lack of highly qualified experienced people who are unable to get regular work. Practically none....
A better idea might be setting up your own business and bidding for work but that would obviously take investment money.
Most of this work is on contract though, on a per job basis.There are very few permanent jobs for creative types in the movie industry anymore. And it's getting worse.
It's unlikely you'd get a sponsor as there isn't any lack of highly qualified experienced people who are unable to get regular work. Practically none....
A better idea might be setting up your own business and bidding for work but that would obviously take investment money.
A major studio job would be an incredible opportunity, but like you said, I am fully aware of how realistic that is.
I feel with my body of work and attitude, i will find someone who is willing to invest in my skills, albeit a smaller production company.
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Thanks for your reply.
A major studio job would be an incredible opportunity, but like you said, I am fully aware of how realistic that is.
I feel with my body of work and attitude, i will find someone who is willing to invest in my skills, albeit a smaller production company.
A major studio job would be an incredible opportunity, but like you said, I am fully aware of how realistic that is.
I feel with my body of work and attitude, i will find someone who is willing to invest in my skills, albeit a smaller production company.
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Ian
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In addition, production in the LA area is falling with work being sent to Europe/Spain/Prague/Canada.
I personally know many highly experienced pro's living on lentils, waiting tables, competing with hundreds of others for the next short term gig. And these are folks you'll find on IMDB with long resumes.
Even an acquaintance, Jim Rygiel, who won three Oscars for LOTR movies....that fact opened doors for him....once. He does ok but it's very tough, even for him.
I personally know many highly experienced pro's living on lentils, waiting tables, competing with hundreds of others for the next short term gig. And these are folks you'll find on IMDB with long resumes.
Even an acquaintance, Jim Rygiel, who won three Oscars for LOTR movies....that fact opened doors for him....once. He does ok but it's very tough, even for him.
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Additionally...and please, I hate using absolutes, can make one look like a smartypants...
But, honestly, no matter your drive/ambition/desire you're not going to find a production company to sponsor you. They just don't operate that way unless you are some sort of top executive or filmmaker and they need you, and only you. (And apologies if you are...I don't know.)
However if it's really your dream to work over here it is not impossible. There may be other paths.
For example
1. Marriage
2. Start your own production company with an office in Los Angeles.
3. Develop your career in the UK and in Europe. Try to get some work with American crew based outside the USA. Network. Get recognition.
4. Do an industry related degree in the USA, maybe a Masters, to allow you to network,
5. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/tfr/ Check this craigslist link to educate yourself on the kind of short term projects going on. Make some contacts.
6. Get a subscription to Variety. Keep up to date with projects and production companies.
7. I don't know if there's any arts related visa that you can leverage.
8. If you ever spend time in Los Angeles try to hang out at this restaurant in Beverly Hills. Well attended by industry types. Rub shoulders with everyone. http://katemantilinirestaurant.com/category/locations/
But, honestly, no matter your drive/ambition/desire you're not going to find a production company to sponsor you. They just don't operate that way unless you are some sort of top executive or filmmaker and they need you, and only you. (And apologies if you are...I don't know.)
However if it's really your dream to work over here it is not impossible. There may be other paths.
For example
1. Marriage
2. Start your own production company with an office in Los Angeles.
3. Develop your career in the UK and in Europe. Try to get some work with American crew based outside the USA. Network. Get recognition.
4. Do an industry related degree in the USA, maybe a Masters, to allow you to network,
5. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/tfr/ Check this craigslist link to educate yourself on the kind of short term projects going on. Make some contacts.
6. Get a subscription to Variety. Keep up to date with projects and production companies.
7. I don't know if there's any arts related visa that you can leverage.
8. If you ever spend time in Los Angeles try to hang out at this restaurant in Beverly Hills. Well attended by industry types. Rub shoulders with everyone. http://katemantilinirestaurant.com/category/locations/
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Have you considered Toronto? There are several film studios there. Many American movies are filmed in the city. It's easier to move there than it is to the US.
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I completely agree with all of this!
There are almost no "staff" directors in the industry. All are self-employed contractors. This is not something you can get sponsorship for.
There is also no shortage of talented, hungry, young directors who don't come with the hassle of immigration issues.
Most production companies have retainer deals with freelance directors. The directors are not guaranteed any work and often have to hit the streets trying to rustle up their own projects. It's a slog and all dependent on a deep contacts book, reputation and of course, talent.
From what I hear tell, the music video business is in a tough place right now. The work is split between neophyte directors spending their own money (for real record company gigs!) or a small pool of A-list talent, with little in the middle. Budgets have plummeted this last decade to shockingly low levels. Top-10 artists who got $200K a few years ago now have to make videos for $50K. And that's often multiple shoot days.
Hotscot's ideas are all great.
You could spend 50K of your own money creating a convincing commercial reel. Raise 100K or so to start a business with a USC friend. Work your asses of to get clients, and with a bit of luck you will get some decent gigs to direct!
One thing I would add is that you should self-educate on the O1. I believe that an agent can petition for an O1 for their client, and I'm guessing this may include directors.
HTH!
There are almost no "staff" directors in the industry. All are self-employed contractors. This is not something you can get sponsorship for.
There is also no shortage of talented, hungry, young directors who don't come with the hassle of immigration issues.
Most production companies have retainer deals with freelance directors. The directors are not guaranteed any work and often have to hit the streets trying to rustle up their own projects. It's a slog and all dependent on a deep contacts book, reputation and of course, talent.
From what I hear tell, the music video business is in a tough place right now. The work is split between neophyte directors spending their own money (for real record company gigs!) or a small pool of A-list talent, with little in the middle. Budgets have plummeted this last decade to shockingly low levels. Top-10 artists who got $200K a few years ago now have to make videos for $50K. And that's often multiple shoot days.
Hotscot's ideas are all great.
You could spend 50K of your own money creating a convincing commercial reel. Raise 100K or so to start a business with a USC friend. Work your asses of to get clients, and with a bit of luck you will get some decent gigs to direct!
One thing I would add is that you should self-educate on the O1. I believe that an agent can petition for an O1 for their client, and I'm guessing this may include directors.
HTH!
Additionally...and please, I hate using absolutes, can make one look like a smartypants...
But, honestly, no matter your drive/ambition/desire you're not going to find a production company to sponsor you. They just don't operate that way unless you are some sort of top executive or filmmaker and they need you, and only you. (And apologies if you are...I don't know.)
However if it's really your dream to work over here it is not impossible. There may be other paths.
For example
1. Marriage
2. Start your own production company with an office in Los Angeles.
3. Develop your career in the UK and in Europe. Try to get some work with American crew based outside the USA. Network. Get recognition.
4. Do an industry related degree in the USA, maybe a Masters, to allow you to network,
5. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/tfr/ Check this craigslist link to educate yourself on the kind of short term projects going on. Make some contacts.
6. Get a subscription to Variety. Keep up to date with projects and production companies.
7. I don't know if there's any arts related visa that you can leverage.
8. If you ever spend time in Los Angeles try to hang out at this restaurant in Beverly Hills. Well attended by industry types. Rub shoulders with everyone. http://katemantilinirestaurant.com/category/locations/
But, honestly, no matter your drive/ambition/desire you're not going to find a production company to sponsor you. They just don't operate that way unless you are some sort of top executive or filmmaker and they need you, and only you. (And apologies if you are...I don't know.)
However if it's really your dream to work over here it is not impossible. There may be other paths.
For example
1. Marriage
2. Start your own production company with an office in Los Angeles.
3. Develop your career in the UK and in Europe. Try to get some work with American crew based outside the USA. Network. Get recognition.
4. Do an industry related degree in the USA, maybe a Masters, to allow you to network,
5. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/tfr/ Check this craigslist link to educate yourself on the kind of short term projects going on. Make some contacts.
6. Get a subscription to Variety. Keep up to date with projects and production companies.
7. I don't know if there's any arts related visa that you can leverage.
8. If you ever spend time in Los Angeles try to hang out at this restaurant in Beverly Hills. Well attended by industry types. Rub shoulders with everyone. http://katemantilinirestaurant.com/category/locations/