Possible residency abandonment (green card)?
#1
Possible residency abandonment (green card)?
First off, I do want to thank all of you on this board for providing so much help to others. I've enjoyed reading all of your posts, both the helpful ones and the snarky ones.
I'm not British, but this seems like the most knowledgeable forum, so I hope y'all don't mind me barging in here.
I've been living in the US since 1994 and I received my greencard in May 2002. I attended university in Australia from Feb 2003 to Nov 2006. Having read about other PR abandonment cases on BE, I'm a little concerned about establishing my ties to the US during the time I was in Australia.
With the exception of the first year I attended uni in Australia, I came back to NJ every 6 months (during the winter and summer breaks) for anywhere from three weeks to two months at a time. The first year, I was outside of the US from 31 December 2002 to late-November 2003. After uni ended (in Nov 2006), I returned to the US on 11 Dec 2006, and have been living and working here ever since.
During the time I was in Aus, I maintained my US bank account (which I have had since at least 1999 and still use), kept my NJ drivers license (although I currently hold a VA drivers license) used an American credit card (linked to and paid for by my parents). I have never worked in Australia; I was financially supported by my parents (who have lived in the US since 1994 and remained in NJ during the time I was in Aus). They claimed me as a dependent until early-2007. (Don't know if it's relevant, but they are naturalised US citizens since October 2008.)
I think it's fairly clear that my intent has always been to live in the States, but since the USCIS doesn't really care about my 'intent', I'm not sure how I go about proving this? Are they likely to even need me to prove it? Would evidence such as my drivers licence and bank records be something I provide, or does USCIS research this themselves during the naturalisation process? If I do need to send them paperwork, what exactly do I send? And do I send it along with the application, or is it better to wait until they ask for it? (Though ideally, I'd prefer to minimise any delays in becoming an American.)
-- As a side note, I'm not too worried about possibly having 're-set' the PR clock with my almost 12 month absence from the States in 2003. I've held off on applying for citizenship since I need to have been physically resident in the US for at least 50% of the five years prior to applying for citizenship, so I anticipate submitting my application in April 2009, which will (obviously) be more than 5 years since 2003. --
Help (or snark) is greatly appreciated!
I'm not British, but this seems like the most knowledgeable forum, so I hope y'all don't mind me barging in here.
I've been living in the US since 1994 and I received my greencard in May 2002. I attended university in Australia from Feb 2003 to Nov 2006. Having read about other PR abandonment cases on BE, I'm a little concerned about establishing my ties to the US during the time I was in Australia.
With the exception of the first year I attended uni in Australia, I came back to NJ every 6 months (during the winter and summer breaks) for anywhere from three weeks to two months at a time. The first year, I was outside of the US from 31 December 2002 to late-November 2003. After uni ended (in Nov 2006), I returned to the US on 11 Dec 2006, and have been living and working here ever since.
During the time I was in Aus, I maintained my US bank account (which I have had since at least 1999 and still use), kept my NJ drivers license (although I currently hold a VA drivers license) used an American credit card (linked to and paid for by my parents). I have never worked in Australia; I was financially supported by my parents (who have lived in the US since 1994 and remained in NJ during the time I was in Aus). They claimed me as a dependent until early-2007. (Don't know if it's relevant, but they are naturalised US citizens since October 2008.)
I think it's fairly clear that my intent has always been to live in the States, but since the USCIS doesn't really care about my 'intent', I'm not sure how I go about proving this? Are they likely to even need me to prove it? Would evidence such as my drivers licence and bank records be something I provide, or does USCIS research this themselves during the naturalisation process? If I do need to send them paperwork, what exactly do I send? And do I send it along with the application, or is it better to wait until they ask for it? (Though ideally, I'd prefer to minimise any delays in becoming an American.)
-- As a side note, I'm not too worried about possibly having 're-set' the PR clock with my almost 12 month absence from the States in 2003. I've held off on applying for citizenship since I need to have been physically resident in the US for at least 50% of the five years prior to applying for citizenship, so I anticipate submitting my application in April 2009, which will (obviously) be more than 5 years since 2003. --
Help (or snark) is greatly appreciated!
#2
Re: Possible residency abandonment (green card)?
One of the attorneys on this site, folinskyinla has said many times that even a short (days or weeks) absence in the wrong circumstances can be -- and has been at times -- interpreted by USCIS as evidence of intentional abandonment of PR status.
Sounds to me like you need the services of a good attorney experienced in cases of abandonment of status. 'Nuff said?
Sounds to me like you need the services of a good attorney experienced in cases of abandonment of status. 'Nuff said?
#3
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Re: Possible residency abandonment (green card)?
I think he's fine. He's living and working here now, he was never out for more than a year. I don't see any basis for removal at all.
#4
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Yeah, it looks like I misread the original. Deleted my original post.
#5
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Re: Possible residency abandonment (green card)?
First off, I do want to thank all of you on this board for providing so much help to others. I've enjoyed reading all of your posts, both the helpful ones and the snarky ones.
I'm not British, but this seems like the most knowledgeable forum, so I hope y'all don't mind me barging in here.
I've been living in the US since 1994 and I received my greencard in May 2002. I attended university in Australia from Feb 2003 to Nov 2006. Having read about other PR abandonment cases on BE, I'm a little concerned about establishing my ties to the US during the time I was in Australia.
With the exception of the first year I attended uni in Australia, I came back to NJ every 6 months (during the winter and summer breaks) for anywhere from three weeks to two months at a time. The first year, I was outside of the US from 31 December 2002 to late-November 2003. After uni ended (in Nov 2006), I returned to the US on 11 Dec 2006, and have been living and working here ever since.
During the time I was in Aus, I maintained my US bank account (which I have had since at least 1999 and still use), kept my NJ drivers license (although I currently hold a VA drivers license) used an American credit card (linked to and paid for by my parents). I have never worked in Australia; I was financially supported by my parents (who have lived in the US since 1994 and remained in NJ during the time I was in Aus). They claimed me as a dependent until early-2007. (Don't know if it's relevant, but they are naturalised US citizens since October 2008.)
I think it's fairly clear that my intent has always been to live in the States, but since the USCIS doesn't really care about my 'intent', I'm not sure how I go about proving this? Are they likely to even need me to prove it? Would evidence such as my drivers licence and bank records be something I provide, or does USCIS research this themselves during the naturalisation process? If I do need to send them paperwork, what exactly do I send? And do I send it along with the application, or is it better to wait until they ask for it? (Though ideally, I'd prefer to minimise any delays in becoming an American.)
-- As a side note, I'm not too worried about possibly having 're-set' the PR clock with my almost 12 month absence from the States in 2003. I've held off on applying for citizenship since I need to have been physically resident in the US for at least 50% of the five years prior to applying for citizenship, so I anticipate submitting my application in April 2009, which will (obviously) be more than 5 years since 2003. --
Help (or snark) is greatly appreciated!
I'm not British, but this seems like the most knowledgeable forum, so I hope y'all don't mind me barging in here.
I've been living in the US since 1994 and I received my greencard in May 2002. I attended university in Australia from Feb 2003 to Nov 2006. Having read about other PR abandonment cases on BE, I'm a little concerned about establishing my ties to the US during the time I was in Australia.
With the exception of the first year I attended uni in Australia, I came back to NJ every 6 months (during the winter and summer breaks) for anywhere from three weeks to two months at a time. The first year, I was outside of the US from 31 December 2002 to late-November 2003. After uni ended (in Nov 2006), I returned to the US on 11 Dec 2006, and have been living and working here ever since.
During the time I was in Aus, I maintained my US bank account (which I have had since at least 1999 and still use), kept my NJ drivers license (although I currently hold a VA drivers license) used an American credit card (linked to and paid for by my parents). I have never worked in Australia; I was financially supported by my parents (who have lived in the US since 1994 and remained in NJ during the time I was in Aus). They claimed me as a dependent until early-2007. (Don't know if it's relevant, but they are naturalised US citizens since October 2008.)
I think it's fairly clear that my intent has always been to live in the States, but since the USCIS doesn't really care about my 'intent', I'm not sure how I go about proving this? Are they likely to even need me to prove it? Would evidence such as my drivers licence and bank records be something I provide, or does USCIS research this themselves during the naturalisation process? If I do need to send them paperwork, what exactly do I send? And do I send it along with the application, or is it better to wait until they ask for it? (Though ideally, I'd prefer to minimise any delays in becoming an American.)
-- As a side note, I'm not too worried about possibly having 're-set' the PR clock with my almost 12 month absence from the States in 2003. I've held off on applying for citizenship since I need to have been physically resident in the US for at least 50% of the five years prior to applying for citizenship, so I anticipate submitting my application in April 2009, which will (obviously) be more than 5 years since 2003. --
Help (or snark) is greatly appreciated!
Don't use the 90 day advance filing rule. What makes you think that USCIS won't care about "intent" when adjudicating the N-400? I don't see anything really weird about your case. You may want to have a lawyer well versed in the law of abandonment to point USCIS in the right direction by an appropriate and understandable brief.
#6
Re: Possible residency abandonment (green card)?
That said, your comment (and JAJ's) was very reassuring and much appreciated! Since US naturalisation seems very discretionary in some respects, it's hard to get a 'feel' for how concerned I need to be. So thank you!
#7
Re: Possible residency abandonment (green card)?
Hi:
Don't use the 90 day advance filing rule. What makes you think that USCIS won't care about "intent" when adjudicating the N-400? I don't see anything really weird about your case. You may want to have a lawyer well versed in the law of abandonment to point USCIS in the right direction by an appropriate and understandable brief.
Don't use the 90 day advance filing rule. What makes you think that USCIS won't care about "intent" when adjudicating the N-400? I don't see anything really weird about your case. You may want to have a lawyer well versed in the law of abandonment to point USCIS in the right direction by an appropriate and understandable brief.
As for the 90 advance filing rule, would it be best to delay my application until June or July of this year? I assume your recommendation is due to my lack of physical presence during the time I was at uni?
I guess my question ultimately is: do I full out the N-400 with the assumption that if anything more is needed, they'll come back and ask me? Would sending additional paperwork (bank account info, tax records) help my application, or would it be overkill and delay my application (and piss off the immigration officer who has to wade through my random paperwork)?
#8
Re: Possible residency abandonment (green card)?
I guess my question ultimately is: do I full out the N-400 with the assumption that if anything more is needed, they'll come back and ask me? Would sending additional paperwork (bank account info, tax records) help my application, or would it be overkill and delay my application (and piss off the immigration officer who has to wade through my random paperwork)?
Rene
#9
Re: Possible residency abandonment (green card)?
Welcome to BE and your nationality or lack of British citizenship does not bar you from using our forums.
IMHO (and I am not an attorney) I would not worry overmuch about this. You have returned periodically for periods of time during the school breaks and have the perfect reason for being outside of the US during your absences. I doubt that USCIS will consider your residency abandoned. Now if you told us that you were living and working in Australia then it might be a different story. In fact, I'm not sure that your absence hinders the time allowance for naturalization. I recall that JerseyGirl's daughter lived and schooled in Canada for several years, coming and going into the US periodically as you did and she was able to naturalize without any difficulties whatsoever.
Bring school transcripts if you have them; flight itineraries, bank statements for those time periods that you were in Australia, etc.
IMHO (and I am not an attorney) I would not worry overmuch about this. You have returned periodically for periods of time during the school breaks and have the perfect reason for being outside of the US during your absences. I doubt that USCIS will consider your residency abandoned. Now if you told us that you were living and working in Australia then it might be a different story. In fact, I'm not sure that your absence hinders the time allowance for naturalization. I recall that JerseyGirl's daughter lived and schooled in Canada for several years, coming and going into the US periodically as you did and she was able to naturalize without any difficulties whatsoever.
Bring school transcripts if you have them; flight itineraries, bank statements for those time periods that you were in Australia, etc.
Last edited by Rete; Jan 9th 2009 at 1:38 pm.
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Re: Possible residency abandonment (green card)?
I'm having trouble understanding your math. I don't see where the April 2012 date comes from. December 11, 2006 plus four years one day is December 12, 2010 by my calculations.
#12
Re: Possible residency abandonment (green card)?
Apologies for dragging this old thread up to the top of the list, but I do want to thank you for your help. Per Folinsky's advice to another poster ('CIS believes that the residence break or 50% rule eliminates the 90 "early filing" rule.'), it looks like I'll apply for naturalisation sometime in May 2009. 30 months from Dec 2006 is obviously not May 2009, but I'm hoping to count the times between 2003 and 2006 that I was back in the US towards the 50% physical residency requirement. (Can you tell I'm eager to become a US citizen?)
Anyway, thanks again for your help everyone! Greatly appreciated!
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