Ray

So you suggest that giving advice that could be construed as being illegal to a poster is a good idea then ..
Lets be quite frank we may not agree with certain thing that the system gives us ..and I'm sure that some people would agree with your stand ..
but its just not sensible to advice people to follow a dubious route in public ..
in private is another thing ..

ian-mstm

It's okay... with a little time, you'll be one of us. No need for envy!


Simply, it's these very intentions that make it more difficult for everyone else down the road... those who are doing things legally. Whenever people "get away with it", USCIS implements new rules and regulations. Well, perhaps you don't care about others. <shrug>



I have every right to judge. People judge all the time... they just don't come out and call a spade a spade. Well... I call it a f***ing shovel. People who are afraid to judge or claim no one should judge another, are afraid of having an opinion and holding it. It's called character. It's called integrity. It's called honesty. Fortunately, I have the moral capacity to have and hold an opinion, and I'm certainly not afraid of sharing it. You may not like or agree with anything I have to say, but you'll always know where I stand on an issue.


Everyone? No... but it only takes one to make an example.


Well, I guess that lets me off the hook... I completed the journey almost 1.5 years ago. Are the rest of you guys naive? Y'don't look naive!

Ian

Rete

Which is probably what he did since he PM'd her regarding this. Since this forum is frequented by attorneys and on occasion the CIS, I would not want to be the one to have my post in the archive telling her to do what she intends and that all will be well. I have my own thoughts about marriage under the VWP and have long since stopped airing my opinion for just that reason.

ian-mstm

No worries... that's why I'm here! I knew I had a purpose in life!

Ian

leedsPaddy

ok Lady, I think the lesson I have learned from this debate, is to keep my opinions to myself in future. When I frequent these websites, I sometimes forget l am no longer an immigrant

ladygwennie

I dont agree or disagree with u leeds, i just find that feelings run so high on this subject that it can often turn into a war of words and insults instead of the original just wanting to help or let the op know what others do. We don't all have to have the same opinion or feelings on the subject, i respect everyone's here. I may not agree with them but they have the right to think what they want and feel what they want and be able to express that, god bless america and the western world for that.

JenniferB

sigh.. I'm an American trying to get my British husband legally into the U.S. There's NO way I want to see that get ruined by people who want to take short-cuts and do things illegally -- and ruin the system for all.

I took it upon myself to not only learn the U.S. Visa system but the U.K. Visa one as well. I would hate to see Visa laws get "tougher" because they're already hard as it is. My biggest concern with my BIL is that it would reflect on our application to the U.S. but thankfully it doesn't.

Scarlett2004

Wow, it was a hard decision to pick out my favorite respponse on this thread but I think this one from Rete says so much about what "love" is--yes, love is patient and love seeks the best for the other. There is another four letter word which begins with an "L" and that emotion often counterfeits love. That emotion is self-centered, thinking of self, IMPATIENT and looking for immediate self-gratification. JenniferB, it may even end up with a single pregnant woman waiting for an illegal to marry her--oops, he still has a wife back home! I guess in my "moralistic" way of looking at things (and I make no apologies for that--I agree with Ian's comments about being judgmental) a person who truly loves another will do what is needed to become legally able to marry that person before creating an innocent life which will be caught up in the whole mess. (BTW, Jennifer, best wishes in your own quest for a visa for your love and bless you for doing it the "right" way.)

I am sure I will receive some choice comments regarding this post--go right ahead. Momma always told me to consider the source.

Lupa

When I first started this topic, I knew it would get heated. I sat for quite a while debating and deleted it over and over before I bit the bullet and posted it. I am grateful for each valid response. With respect to "blabbing" I don't plan to. I use an identity here which cannot be traced and I do not intend to release all details for the world to see when I speak to the attorney tomorrow. In that respect, nobody here has any place where they can judge me. Each individual person who has taken the journey I'm about to take with my partner has a different story to tell, and I am an educated female with a degree which is a higher education standard than most Usc's possess, therefore I have potential to offer to the economy in my area of expertise.

On a finishing note for now, don't think for a pico second that I am taking this lightly because I'm not and neither is my partner. The risk involved does alarm me, but I know that it is not impossible to do and that right now is a main driving force behind our decision.

Please do not jump on LeedsPaddy. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and because of me opening up this post where he stated an opinion of his own, should not result in him being flamed.

Regards, Lupa

Noorah101

Hi Lupa,

Just wanted to wish you all the best, come back and let us know how it's going with you guys.

Rene

Bob

I wouldn't be so sure about being secure, IP numbers are easy enough to trace, even through a proxy if someone wants to...will anyone bother, probably slim chances, but the potential is there.

Oh, and a degree, probably won't bring any real kudos over here unless it's from a US uni, or from OxBridge....but anyway, good luck with it all

ian-mstm

I've worked with computers and network technologies since 1983... and I can assure you, it can be traced! Would anyone bother? Perhaps... but not me. Welcome to the wonderful world of social engineering.


Good for you, but don't confuse intelligence with wisdom. You may excel in the former but the latter seems to be wanting! At any rate, good luck to you.

Ian

meauxna

More insults <sigh>.
you're the one not 'getting' this other point of view. Morals have nothing to do with it, for me. OK, it irks a bit when someone blatently breaks a rule I have to follow anywhere in life, but that's not the root of my position on pre-planned VWP + AOS.
I don't care who that person is, and I don't care about judging her or not. I don't care if she spills her guts online, or goes to a USCIS office and announces her plan in person.
*I* am not going to be the one to tell her publically, or privately, how to break the law. It's not like there are not a million other ways to find the info; this OP simply was not creative enough to find them.

Now, you don't seem to above giveing this kind of advice to people in public or in private. Your earliest posts to this group show so: http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...2&postcount=10
(speaking of naive, you seem unable to make the distinctiion between 'meeting some one while in the US and deciding to marry + stay' and 'preplanning the same event')

Then again, you seem to have your own morals and discriminate against behavior you dont' like: http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...4&postcount=22

Eww. The rest of your posts are too boring or foul to review.
And I wrote this hours ago and didnt pull the trigger, but there's nothing new in this thread to make me change what I had to say.

ladygwennie

Good Luck Lupa, i hope that whatever way u take it works out for the best. I hope the attorney gives u some sound advice so you know what u have to do. Best wishes!

Noorah101

Off topic, but....just curious what education level most USC's posses. Her statement made me curious as to what her degree is that is higher than most USCs possess. I might be in that category as well. lol

And, also, USCIS doesn't care what the USC's potential is to offer to the economy. This statement has nothing to do with immigration.

Rene