Hypertweeky

I second that

ian-mstm

Thanks to both of you! I just call 'em as I see 'em!

Ian

ladygwennie

Nicely said Ian.

Hypertweeky

Too bad I can't give you karma, you deserve a big chunk!!

meauxna

I third it.
I had to cancel 3 attempts at replies to this thread because they were really, really not nice.

The crux of my thought was:
Who cares who is doing it and how many of them do? It is not our place in a public message board to tell these people what to do, or what we would do or not--the point is, it's been drilled into this particular group that entering on the VWP with the intent to immigrate is not kosher and does involve an illegal act. How can we state otherwise?

Insulting those of us who point those facts out is the height of arrogance, and particularly insulting when used as a measure of our love and/or commitment to our spouses.

Naive? Hardly. I know what the consequences CAN be and I choose to not direct someone over the cliff with the other lemmings because they can't be bothered to do things 'right'. Dollars to donuts this is the same person who will be here crying in her beer because they're broke, the trailer payment is due and she can't work yet. Or yet another divorce post. At least I sleep at night knowing that I helped my husband immigrate legally, and without a day of separation. That's right, I love him enough to do it 'right' and keep him safe in the US where I want him.

I've lost just about all sympathy for the vast bands of idiots roaming the internet (you probably don't know who you are).

ian-mstm

Thanks Tweeky! Even though I'm not hurting for karma, I appreciate the thought!

Ian

Hypertweeky

you are simply awesome

Ps: Why can't I give karma to those who REALLY deserve it?? arg!!

Hypertweeky

You are welcome Ian!
I have just realiced I have max'ed out my karma levels!!

ian-mstm

Okay... now you're starting to sound like me! After so many years, I'm sure there's been some contamination.

Ian

Noorah101

Ian by Osmosis.

SecretGarden

Post Of The Day.......

Thanks for the laugh, Mo....I just spit perfectly good wine across my monitor!


~SecretGarden
(Ian, you're pretty amusing as well....)

Matthew Udall

I’d also add that after getting advice from the attorney, don’t then blab to the entire world on the net what the attorney told you (and what "you" decided to do based on the opinion- the client ultimately makes the call). I just read a report on VJ today where someone got advice from their attorney, formulated their strategy, blabbed it on the net, and then had some in the VJ community telling her she should be angry at her attorney and fire him/or her (and I’m not making any comments on the initial legal advice given which may or may not have been accurately retold on VJ).

But if I posted on VJ, I would have probably posted to that person that now that she’s confessed her potentially fraudulent intentions on the net for the entire freaking world to read, I might consider whether I should now change my plans.

There were two problems; an attorney might have given advice involving some risk so the client could evaluate that risk for herself (and possible ethical problems depending on the approach the attorney took in dealing with the potential client) and a poster spilling the beans on herself “IN PUBLIC” just for the sake of asking non-attorneys to confirm the attorneys advice (due in part from her reading over and over again in news groups, advice given from non-attorneys about this issue that is flat out wrong, or at least suspect [and I see that same inaccurate advice dispensed in this particular group - BE and other similar groups - over and over and over and over and over again by those who take it upon themselves to render legal advice based on the bull “they” swallowed in their own case and fed to them by other non-attorneys who felt the same compulsion to play attorney]).

JenniferB

Great comment!

That's my BIL now, he's illegal & both him and his "lover" are broke. He just got her pregnant too! Totally irresponsible and I'm sick of hearing how much in love they are. I bet he marries her despite still being married in the UK.
Stupid stupid stupid! Can't wait to sort it out the right way, which is a shame.

Rete

Romano and Juliet felt the same way. Dead by their own hands for the sake of love.

Grownups realize that life will not end because gratification is delayed. Adults understand thatlove does not demand but is an emotion that can withstand physical separation and still continue to exist and grow. Adults also understand that obsession is a form of mental illness.

leedsPaddy

To Ian, hypertweeky, ladygwennie, meauxna, jenniferB and Rete..........you sound like a know-it-all bunch of w a n k e r s. Who cares what intentions this woman has..........it her choice and her neck if she gets caught but don't give me your moralistic b u l l s h i t. You don't know who that person is and you have no right to judge her. Lastly It is completely irrelevant whether she spills her guts regarding her intentions on the internet..........do you really think that the USCIS has the resources to investigate everyone who gives forward notice of their intentions to break the law.

I think it you guys who are completely naive especially those that haven't even completed their immigration journey.