My rant of the day...
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My rant of the day...
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Considering the amount of difficulties, that we British Citizens generally face going to the US to work temporarily, live, settle or whatever .... why is it that we hand things on a plate to Americans and Canadians? I am currently in the process of trying to look for a grant/scholarship/whatever to help me fund study in France and being an EU member, you would think that this was simple...It is to a certain extent. Firstly, you have to be studying at a UK university that has a link with a EU University in order for you to go to study in EU. Secondly, once you have a place, you go via the ERASMUS program that gives you a grant to cover expenses. Thirdly, this grant is not available if you just want to go and study in France (or anywhere in the EU) without being a student of a UK University first! The student maintenance loans that we use in the UK to cover living expenses here cannot be used in Europe. Most EU Countries including France and Germany do not charge any tuition fees to majority of higher education students, including non-EU students!
During my search for grants etc, I have come across NUMEROUS grant and scholarship opportunities that are available as mobility programs "between the European Community and the United States of America, in the field of higher education and vocational education and Training. The aim is to promote understanding and interaction between the peoples of the European Union and the US, including broader knowledge of their languages, cultures and institutions, and to improve the quality of the human resource development of both the EU and the US." (!!!!)
Basically, Americans and Canadians (I found some for Canadians) can come to the EU, with all expenses covered, through 'bi-lateral agreements' and of course if they want to go to France or Germany, they don't have to worry about tuition fees, as that is covered! Other EU countries charge minimal tuition! So, me being an EU-British Citizen will have much difficulty in getting funding to help me with my living expenses whilst I study in Europe, unless I am American and I can get a special scholarship! This is not fair! What is the whole point of the EU when all the benefits of it are offered to anyone (North Americans!) and we get nothing in return (i.e. a free enough ride also, in being able to settle in North America, if you wanted to, with relatively no hassle).
Here we all are in this forum worried about having to get a Visa just to travel to US for a visit (if you cannot, for whatever reason travel on VWP) and even on the VWP, you still have to go through ESTA in order to sit on a US bound plane - they make it hard for you, as everyone here knows, to get a Visa without the heavy bureaucracy just to work there even for a short time! So much for the flippin' American Dream.... More like the free giving away EU dream of taking and not giving. By the way, the UK reportedly contributes about £43 Million per day towards the EU... to pave way for Americans and other non-EU's to get a free ride. Its funny how the EU and the UK, for that matter puts in place these 'cultural exchange' programs that are readily available to US Citizens, practically without restrictions - whereas the US do not really have any 'cultural exchange' program and if they do, its in the form of a J1 Visa that is very limited, doesn't offer you any type of funding and if you DO get any American funding (which is practically non-existent and is only for certain students/industries) whilst being on the J1 Visa - you have to return to your country and stay there for two years, unless you get a waiver!! So much for the EU/UK-US 'strong ties with our cousins across the pond' - these 'ties' are only one sided!
RANT OVER!
Considering the amount of difficulties, that we British Citizens generally face going to the US to work temporarily, live, settle or whatever .... why is it that we hand things on a plate to Americans and Canadians? I am currently in the process of trying to look for a grant/scholarship/whatever to help me fund study in France and being an EU member, you would think that this was simple...It is to a certain extent. Firstly, you have to be studying at a UK university that has a link with a EU University in order for you to go to study in EU. Secondly, once you have a place, you go via the ERASMUS program that gives you a grant to cover expenses. Thirdly, this grant is not available if you just want to go and study in France (or anywhere in the EU) without being a student of a UK University first! The student maintenance loans that we use in the UK to cover living expenses here cannot be used in Europe. Most EU Countries including France and Germany do not charge any tuition fees to majority of higher education students, including non-EU students!
During my search for grants etc, I have come across NUMEROUS grant and scholarship opportunities that are available as mobility programs "between the European Community and the United States of America, in the field of higher education and vocational education and Training. The aim is to promote understanding and interaction between the peoples of the European Union and the US, including broader knowledge of their languages, cultures and institutions, and to improve the quality of the human resource development of both the EU and the US." (!!!!)
Basically, Americans and Canadians (I found some for Canadians) can come to the EU, with all expenses covered, through 'bi-lateral agreements' and of course if they want to go to France or Germany, they don't have to worry about tuition fees, as that is covered! Other EU countries charge minimal tuition! So, me being an EU-British Citizen will have much difficulty in getting funding to help me with my living expenses whilst I study in Europe, unless I am American and I can get a special scholarship! This is not fair! What is the whole point of the EU when all the benefits of it are offered to anyone (North Americans!) and we get nothing in return (i.e. a free enough ride also, in being able to settle in North America, if you wanted to, with relatively no hassle).
Here we all are in this forum worried about having to get a Visa just to travel to US for a visit (if you cannot, for whatever reason travel on VWP) and even on the VWP, you still have to go through ESTA in order to sit on a US bound plane - they make it hard for you, as everyone here knows, to get a Visa without the heavy bureaucracy just to work there even for a short time! So much for the flippin' American Dream.... More like the free giving away EU dream of taking and not giving. By the way, the UK reportedly contributes about £43 Million per day towards the EU... to pave way for Americans and other non-EU's to get a free ride. Its funny how the EU and the UK, for that matter puts in place these 'cultural exchange' programs that are readily available to US Citizens, practically without restrictions - whereas the US do not really have any 'cultural exchange' program and if they do, its in the form of a J1 Visa that is very limited, doesn't offer you any type of funding and if you DO get any American funding (which is practically non-existent and is only for certain students/industries) whilst being on the J1 Visa - you have to return to your country and stay there for two years, unless you get a waiver!! So much for the EU/UK-US 'strong ties with our cousins across the pond' - these 'ties' are only one sided!
RANT OVER!
Last edited by Pashtun; Jul 6th 2009 at 5:37 pm.
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Re: My rant of the day...
What a load. I'm an American who attended the University of Manchester for graduate school. Not only did I pay 4 times as much as any EU student, I wasn't eligible for the vast majority of scholarships. Yes, there was a SINGLE North American student scholarship, but that was the only option for funding. And if you think that American Universities should give EU citizens a break in tuition, I dare you to look at what they charge American citizens first.
Moreover, once my course was done and my visa expired I had absolutely no recourse to stay in the UK, despite an advanced education from an English institution. And trust me, given that my then boyfriend/now husband is English, I explored every possible avenue (and you guessed it, we had to go through the fun of a k-1 visa to get him over here).
I'm sorry that you're having trouble moving to the US, I really am, but people need to realize that immigration/university funding is a bitch everywhere, and that everywhere prioritizes their own citizens. Period.
Moreover, once my course was done and my visa expired I had absolutely no recourse to stay in the UK, despite an advanced education from an English institution. And trust me, given that my then boyfriend/now husband is English, I explored every possible avenue (and you guessed it, we had to go through the fun of a k-1 visa to get him over here).
I'm sorry that you're having trouble moving to the US, I really am, but people need to realize that immigration/university funding is a bitch everywhere, and that everywhere prioritizes their own citizens. Period.
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Re: My rant of the day...
What a load. I'm an American who attended the University of Manchester for graduate school. Not only did I pay 4 times as much as any EU student, I wasn't eligible for the vast majority of scholarships. Yes, there was a SINGLE North American student scholarship, but that was the only option for funding. And if you think that American Universities should give EU citizens a break in tuition, I dare you to look at what they charge American citizens first.
Moreover, once my course was done and my visa expired I had absolutely no recourse to stay in the UK, despite an advanced education from an English institution. And trust me, given that my then boyfriend/now husband is English, I explored every possible avenue (and you guessed it, we had to go through the fun of a k-1 visa to get him over here).
I'm sorry that you're having trouble moving to the US, I really am
but people need to realize that immigration/university funding is a bitch everywhere, and that everywhere prioritizes their own citizens. Period.
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There's another option to erasmus, but I can't remember what it is called...
anyway, if what your doing post grad, get a post grad student loan, can get a bargain for a loan that way, much better than a government laugh.
anyway, if what your doing post grad, get a post grad student loan, can get a bargain for a loan that way, much better than a government laugh.
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I could be wrong, I haven't looked into this (no need to, really) out of curiosty, can't Americans use federal financial Aid to help get with costs associated with study overseas? I am not talking about tuition costs, I am talking about living expenses. I am sure my many American friends who are students here use something like that to help pay for living expenses whilst studying in London. See, we cannot use UK Student Loans to study in the US or even in Europe!
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I think I am misunderstanding. Do you mean to say that you have explored many avenues for you to stay in the UK, or for your husband to go to the US as your husband/spouse? Because as far as I know, in regards to the USA, there arn't 'many' legal avenues to explore. Only the K-1 Visa is available, as you mentioned. If you wanted to stay the the UK, being married to a UK citizen it would eventually have allowed you to get ILR, after paperwork and process being complete. From what I know from my American friends and from what I have read on this forum - it is reletiveley (note. I say the word reletively) easy for American Citizens to stay in the UK especially after marrying a UK Citizen.
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I am sorry. I wasn't referring to the UK. I was referring to mainland Europe (Spain/France/Germany Etc...)
I think I am misunderstanding. Do you mean to say that you have explored many avenues for you to stay in the UK, or for your husband to go to the US as your husband/spouse? Because as far as I know, in regards to the USA, there arn't 'many' legal avenues to explore. Only the K-1 Visa is available, as you mentioned. If you wanted to stay the the UK, being married to a UK citizen it would eventually have allowed you to get ILR, after paperwork and process being complete. From what I know from my American friends and from what I have read on this forum - it is reletiveley (note. I say the word reletively) easy for American Citizens to stay in the UK especially after marrying a UK Citizen.
I think I am misunderstanding. Do you mean to say that you have explored many avenues for you to stay in the UK, or for your husband to go to the US as your husband/spouse? Because as far as I know, in regards to the USA, there arn't 'many' legal avenues to explore. Only the K-1 Visa is available, as you mentioned. If you wanted to stay the the UK, being married to a UK citizen it would eventually have allowed you to get ILR, after paperwork and process being complete. From what I know from my American friends and from what I have read on this forum - it is reletiveley (note. I say the word reletively) easy for American Citizens to stay in the UK especially after marrying a UK Citizen.
She is talking about immigrating to the UK, not as a spouse of a UKC, but as an intending immigrant with a secondary education received from a university in the UK.
Nothing is relatively easy anywhere in the world in terms of immigration.
Plus from your original post you do want to Immigrate to the US. Your plan is to come here for a language course and then find employment at the university where you studied as an assistant or full professor.
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anyway, if what your doing post grad, get a post grad student loan, can get a bargain for a loan that way, much better than a government laugh.
Oh, postgrad generally isn't much of a problem, from what I can see. Even in the US! I am talking about Undergraduate level. I want to complete undergrad level in France before I do graduate in the US. There is practually no funding for Undergrads to go to EU for study, without being a UK University student. Unfortunatly the institute that I want to go to in France only has a link with ONE University in London, of which I am not a student!
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I could be wrong, I haven't looked into this (no need to, really) out of curiosty, can't Americans use federal financial Aid to help get with costs associated with study overseas? I am not talking about tuition costs, I am talking about living expenses. I am sure my many American friends who are students here use something like that to help pay for living expenses whilst studying in London. See, we cannot use UK Student Loans to study in the US or even in Europe!
No idea for under grad studies though.
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If you don't have a employer it might be harder, but could always do an internship type of deal.
Most people take part in the workers holiday visa anyway, which gives them 2 years, except the US is exempt from participation in that because it's a reciprocal program and the US is one of the only countries that doesn't partake, though NZ do allow US folk under 30 to partake with a $3K bond up front which gets returned on them leaving the country.
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You could be right, been years and can't remember, and everyone was doing design so were able to get them.
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She is talking about immigrating to the UK, not as a spouse of a UKC, but as an intending immigrant with a secondary education received from a university in the UK..
Plus from your original post you do want to Immigrate to the US. Your plan is to come here for a language course and then find employment at the university where you studied as an assistant or full professor.
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If you don't have a employer it might be harder, but could always do an internship type of deal. ..
Most people take part in the workers holiday visa anyway, which gives them 2 years, except the US is exempt from participation in that because it's a reciprocal program and the US is one of the only countries that doesn't partake, though NZ do allow US folk under 30 to partake with a $3K bond up front which gets returned on them leaving the country.