Banjoman

Moscow Embassy Update.

I (USC, male) went to the Moscow embassy with my fiancée and son-to-be on
Monday 21 Nov.

We went to the East Gate, as specified, and proceeded to stand in the cold for
hours. They start out asking for people with green invitations. Those are the
spouses. Then come the white invitations, which are the other relatives, I think.
Then the green fiancée invitations. Everyone is there for the cattle call at 8 AM,
but we got to stand for hours. I was not allowed in, and I am pretty good at talking
my way into things.

I stood outside, and over the next two hours, watched several women come out, most of
them unhappy. It seemed there were problems with their paperwork. Finally, my lady
and her son came out, and - success!

We had every kind of paperwork imaginable, sorted into envelopes of stuff they asked
for and things they didn't. They asked about none of it, and took it all. My opinion
is that we impressed them with the tonnage. YMMV.

The questions from the male questioner:
1) How old is your spouse?
2) How old are you?
3) One other easy one I don't remember.

We left the embassy area at about 11:00 PM.

We returned to the North Gate at 4 PM as directed. It is at the back of the Embassy
compound, and a full city block away from the main (South) Entrance. Make sure you
know where it is ahead of time. Roughly, you go back to area of the East entrance,
around a building past several piles of scrap metal (I am not making this up) and
then zig-zag through an old apartment complex, scoot down a steep icy embankment, and
then walk for a while longer. Finally you see another door at the end of the wall,
which, in fact is also facing east, but is at the North-east corner of the compound.
There, we stood in another scraggly line and waited for another hour, and finally got
our passports.

We're back in the US now, and all are in a bit of shock, but it is great. I was of
absolutely no use whatsoever at any time, but the moral support was greatly
appreciated. I also was able to talk my way into the foreigner's line when we cleared
customs in Denver, and was also able to be in the interview there. That may have been
because I speak Russian and offered to translate (they accepted.) I don't know.

Questions at Denver customs:
4) What is the purpose of your trip to the US?
5) When do you plan to get married?
6) Do you understand that you have 90 days to get married?

We were treated with courtesy throughout, but the senseless 8 AM and 4 PM
cattle calls were completely unnecessary and could have been handled with
rolling call times.

In Denver, they said they could not give her a work permit, but that we could get one
on the same day at the INS office in Denver. They gave us a sheet with the address
and such on it.

We'll find out if that is true.

***************************************
Wednesday, I took my new family (sweet words) to pick up my little dog from the
kennel. We then took off for the Mountains ( I live at the base of the Front Range of
the Rocky Mountains) and they were so blown away that I took them on up for a look at
the Continental Divide. We topped it off with a little visit to an old mining down on
the way back down. They are both sleeping now, and both have stomach-aches, but are
doing well, and we are enjoying ourselves.

I love Russians. They bring such a fresh perspective to everything...

Chris Bart Banjoman [email protected] Arvada, CO

P.S.: We'll have a book out next year on all of this. Drop me an e-mail if you want
to be notified when it comes out.

Refuse

Thanks for the wonderful story Chris. Was your interview delayed at all? My wife was
supposed to have hers on Oct. 19 but the Embassy got shut down. Dec. 20 is the date
for me now.

Thanks,

Alex

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Banjoman

Ours was not delayed. Good luck on yours.

Chris

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[usenetquote2]> > Moscow Embassy Update.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > I (USC, male) went to the Moscow embassy with my fiancée and son-to-be[/usenetquote2]
on
[usenetquote2]> > Monday 21 Nov.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We went to the East Gate, as specified, and proceeded to stand in the[/usenetquote2]
cold
[usenetquote2]> > for hours. They start out asking for people with green invitations.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > are the spouses. Then come the white invitations, which are the other relatives,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > I think. Then the green fiancée invitations. Everyone is[/usenetquote2]
there
[usenetquote2]> > for the cattle call at 8 AM, but we got to stand for hours. I was not allowed in,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > and I am pretty good at talking my way into things.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > I stood outside, and over the next two hours, watched several women come out,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > most of them unhappy. It seemed there were problems with their paperwork.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > Finally, my lady and her son came out, and - success![/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We had every kind of paperwork imaginable, sorted into envelopes of[/usenetquote2]
stuff
[usenetquote2]> > they asked for and things they didn't. They asked about none of it, and[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > it all. My opinion is that we impressed them with the tonnage. YMMV.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > The questions from the male questioner:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 1) How old is your spouse?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 2) How old are you?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 3) One other easy one I don't remember.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We left the embassy area at about 11:00 PM.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We returned to the North Gate at 4 PM as directed. It is at the back of[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > Embassy compound, and a full city block away from the main (South)[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > Make sure you know where it is ahead of time. Roughly, you go back to[/usenetquote2]
area
[usenetquote2]> > of the East entrance, around a building past several piles of scrap[/usenetquote2]
metal
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[usenetquote2]> > am not making this up) and then zig-zag through an old apartment[/usenetquote2]
complex,
[usenetquote2]> > scoot down a steep icy embankment, and then walk for a while longer.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > you see another door at the end of the wall, which, in fact is also[/usenetquote2]
facing
[usenetquote2]> > east, but is at the North-east corner of the compound. There, we stood[/usenetquote2]
in
[usenetquote2]> > another scraggly line and waited for another hour, and finally got our passports.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We're back in the US now, and all are in a bit of shock, but it is[/usenetquote2]
great.
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[usenetquote2]> > was of absolutely no use whatsoever at any time, but the moral support[/usenetquote2]
was
[usenetquote2]> > greatly appreciated. I also was able to talk my way into the foreigner's line[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > when we cleared customs in Denver, and was also able to be in the interview[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > there. That may have been because I speak Russian and offered[/usenetquote2]
to
[usenetquote2]> > translate (they accepted.) I don't know.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > Questions at Denver customs:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 1) What is the purpose of your trip to the US?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 2) When do you plan to get married?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 3) Do you understand that you have 90 days to get married?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We were treated with courtesy throughout, but the senseless 8 AM and 4[/usenetquote2]
PM
[usenetquote2]> > cattle calls were completely unnecessary and could have been handled[/usenetquote2]
with
[usenetquote2]> > rolling call times.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > In Denver, they said they could not give her a work permit, but that we could get[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > one on the same day at the INS office in Denver. They gave us[/usenetquote2]
a
[usenetquote2]> > sheet with the address and such on it.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We'll find out if that is true.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > ***************************************[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > Wednesday, I took my new family (sweet words) to pick up my little dog[/usenetquote2]
    >
[usenetquote2]> > the kennel. We then took off for the Mountains ( I live at the base of[/usenetquote2]
the
[usenetquote2]> > Front Range of the Rocky Mountains) and they were so blown away that I[/usenetquote2]
    >
[usenetquote2]> > them on up for a look at the Continental Divide. We topped it off with a little[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > visit to an old mining down on the way back down. They are both sleeping now, and[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > both have stomach-aches, but are doing well, and we[/usenetquote2]
are
[usenetquote2]> > enjoying ourselves.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > I love Russians. They bring such a fresh perspective to everything...[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > Chris Bart Banjoman [email protected] Arvada, CO[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > P.S.: We'll have a book out next year on all of this. Drop me an e-mail[/usenetquote2]
if
[usenetquote2]> > you want to be notified when it comes out.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]

Banjoman

Correction to my earlier post:

The fiancee visas are pink (rose-a-vwee, in Russain) not green.

Banjoman

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Banjoman

Can you tell I'm still a bit wired from all this? A further proof-read shows that we
left the Embassy compound at 11 AM, not PM...

Banjoman

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[usenetquote2]> > Moscow Embassy Update.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > I (USC, male) went to the Moscow embassy with my fiancée and son-to-be[/usenetquote2]
on
[usenetquote2]> > Monday 21 Nov.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We went to the East Gate, as specified, and proceeded to stand in the[/usenetquote2]
cold
[usenetquote2]> > for hours. They start out asking for people with green invitations.[/usenetquote2]
Those
[usenetquote2]> > are the spouses. Then come the white invitations, which are the other relatives,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > I think. Then the green fiancée invitations. Everyone is[/usenetquote2]
there
[usenetquote2]> > for the cattle call at 8 AM, but we got to stand for hours. I was not allowed in,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > and I am pretty good at talking my way into things.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > I stood outside, and over the next two hours, watched several women come out,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > most of them unhappy. It seemed there were problems with their paperwork.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > Finally, my lady and her son came out, and - success![/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We had every kind of paperwork imaginable, sorted into envelopes of[/usenetquote2]
stuff
[usenetquote2]> > they asked for and things they didn't. They asked about none of it, and[/usenetquote2]
    >
[usenetquote2]> > it all. My opinion is that we impressed them with the tonnage. YMMV.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > The questions from the male questioner:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 1) How old is your spouse?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 2) How old are you?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 3) One other easy one I don't remember.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We left the embassy area at about 11:00 PM.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We returned to the North Gate at 4 PM as directed. It is at the back of[/usenetquote2]
    >
[usenetquote2]> > Embassy compound, and a full city block away from the main (South)[/usenetquote2]
    >
[usenetquote2]> > Make sure you know where it is ahead of time. Roughly, you go back to[/usenetquote2]
area
[usenetquote2]> > of the East entrance, around a building past several piles of scrap[/usenetquote2]
metal
    >
[usenetquote2]> > am not making this up) and then zig-zag through an old apartment[/usenetquote2]
complex,
[usenetquote2]> > scoot down a steep icy embankment, and then walk for a while longer.[/usenetquote2]
    >
[usenetquote2]> > you see another door at the end of the wall, which, in fact is also[/usenetquote2]
facing
[usenetquote2]> > east, but is at the North-east corner of the compound. There, we stood[/usenetquote2]
in
[usenetquote2]> > another scraggly line and waited for another hour, and finally got our passports.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We're back in the US now, and all are in a bit of shock, but it is[/usenetquote2]
great.
    >
[usenetquote2]> > was of absolutely no use whatsoever at any time, but the moral support[/usenetquote2]
was
[usenetquote2]> > greatly appreciated. I also was able to talk my way into the foreigner's line[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > when we cleared customs in Denver, and was also able to be in the interview[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > there. That may have been because I speak Russian and offered[/usenetquote2]
to
[usenetquote2]> > translate (they accepted.) I don't know.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > Questions at Denver customs:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 1) What is the purpose of your trip to the US?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 2) When do you plan to get married?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 3) Do you understand that you have 90 days to get married?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We were treated with courtesy throughout, but the senseless 8 AM and 4[/usenetquote2]
PM
[usenetquote2]> > cattle calls were completely unnecessary and could have been handled[/usenetquote2]
with
[usenetquote2]> > rolling call times.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > In Denver, they said they could not give her a work permit, but that we could get[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > one on the same day at the INS office in Denver. They gave us[/usenetquote2]
a
[usenetquote2]> > sheet with the address and such on it.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We'll find out if that is true.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > ***************************************[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > Wednesday, I took my new family (sweet words) to pick up my little dog[/usenetquote2]
    >
[usenetquote2]> > the kennel. We then took off for the Mountains ( I live at the base of[/usenetquote2]
the
[usenetquote2]> > Front Range of the Rocky Mountains) and they were so blown away that I[/usenetquote2]
    >
[usenetquote2]> > them on up for a look at the Continental Divide. We topped it off with a little[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > visit to an old mining down on the way back down. They are both sleeping now, and[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > both have stomach-aches, but are doing well, and we[/usenetquote2]
are
[usenetquote2]> > enjoying ourselves.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > I love Russians. They bring such a fresh perspective to everything...[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > Chris Bart Banjoman [email protected] Arvada, CO[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > P.S.: We'll have a book out next year on all of this. Drop me an e-mail[/usenetquote2]
if
[usenetquote2]> > you want to be notified when it comes out.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]

R Haney

Thanks, Chris. Great post. Our interview is approaching on Dec 4th, and I'll relay
your information to my fiancee. Thanks again, and best wishes for a very happy future
together. I've camped through your neck of the Rockies. It's a very special place!

Take care,

~Ralph Petaluma, CA

Jonathan_atc

Correction. K-1 Visas, known as "foils" are clear and affixed to a page = in one's
passport. They have no color to them at all other than the = words printed on them.

You must have been talking about some other fiance visa?

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Steen's Visa Pages http://www.mindspring.com/~docsteen/...o/visainfo.htm
Newsgroup FAQ http://www.k1faq.com Immigration and Naturalization Service
http://www.ins.usdoj.gov {I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. For
reliable legal advice, please consult with a professional immigration attorney.}

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[usenetquote2]> > Moscow Embassy Update.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > I (USC, male) went to the Moscow embassy with my fianc=E9e and =[/usenetquote2]
son-to-be on
[usenetquote2]> > Monday 21 Nov.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We went to the East Gate, as specified, and proceeded to stand in =[/usenetquote2]
the cold
[usenetquote2]> > for hours. They start out asking for people with green invitations. =[/usenetquote2]
Those
[usenetquote2]> > are the spouses. Then come the white invitations, which are the =[/usenetquote2]
other
[usenetquote2]> > relatives, I think. Then the green fianc=E9e invitations. Everyone =[/usenetquote2]
is there
[usenetquote2]> > for the cattle call at 8 AM, but we got to stand for hours. I was =[/usenetquote2]
not
[usenetquote2]> > allowed in, and I am pretty good at talking my way into things.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > I stood outside, and over the next two hours, watched several women =[/usenetquote2]
come
[usenetquote2]> > out, most of them unhappy. It seemed there were problems with their paperwork.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > Finally, my lady and her son came out, and - success![/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We had every kind of paperwork imaginable, sorted into envelopes of =[/usenetquote2]
stuff
[usenetquote2]> > they asked for and things they didn't. They asked about none of it, =[/usenetquote2]
and
    >
[usenetquote2]> > it all. My opinion is that we impressed them with the tonnage. YMMV.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > The questions from the male questioner:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 1) How old is your spouse?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 2) How old are you?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 3) One other easy one I don't remember.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We left the embassy area at about 11:00 PM.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We returned to the North Gate at 4 PM as directed. It is at the back =[/usenetquote2]
of
    >
[usenetquote2]> > Embassy compound, and a full city block away from the main (South)[/usenetquote2]
    >
[usenetquote2]> > Make sure you know where it is ahead of time. Roughly, you go back =[/usenetquote2]
to area
[usenetquote2]> > of the East entrance, around a building past several piles of scrap =[/usenetquote2]
metal
    >
[usenetquote2]> > am not making this up) and then zig-zag through an old apartment =[/usenetquote2]
complex,
[usenetquote2]> > scoot down a steep icy embankment, and then walk for a while longer.[/usenetquote2]
    >
[usenetquote2]> > you see another door at the end of the wall, which, in fact is also =[/usenetquote2]
facing
[usenetquote2]> > east, but is at the North-east corner of the compound. There, we =[/usenetquote2]
stood in
[usenetquote2]> > another scraggly line and waited for another hour, and finally got =[/usenetquote2]
our
[usenetquote2]> > passports.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > We're back in the US now, and all are in a bit of shock, but it is =[/usenetquote2]
great.
    >
[usenetquote2]> > was of absolutely no use whatsoever at any time, but the moral =[/usenetquote2]
support was
[usenetquote2]> > greatly appreciated. I also was able to talk my way into the =[/usenetquote2]
foreigner's
[usenetquote2]> > line when we cleared customs in Denver, and was also able to be in =[/usenetquote2]
the
[usenetquote2]> > interview there. That may have been because I speak Russian and =[/usenetquote2]
offered to
[usenetquote2]> > translate (they accepted.) I don't know.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > Questions at Denver customs:[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 1) What is the purpose of your trip to the US?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 2) When do you plan to get married?[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > 3) Do you understand that you have 90 days to get married?[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > We were treated with courtesy throughout, but the senseless 8 AM and =[/usenetquote2]
4 PM
[usenetquote2]> > cattle calls were completely unnecessary and could have been handled =[/usenetquote2]
with
[usenetquote2]> > rolling call times.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > In Denver, they said they could not give her a work permit, but that =[/usenetquote2]
we
[usenetquote2]> > could get one on the same day at the INS office in Denver. They gave =[/usenetquote2]
us a
[usenetquote2]> > sheet with the address and such on it.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > We'll find out if that is true.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > Wednesday, I took my new family (sweet words) to pick up my little =[/usenetquote2]
dog
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[usenetquote2]> > the kennel. We then took off for the Mountains ( I live at the base =[/usenetquote2]
of the
[usenetquote2]> > Front Range of the Rocky Mountains) and they were so blown away that =[/usenetquote2]
I
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[usenetquote2]> > them on up for a look at the Continental Divide. We topped it off =[/usenetquote2]
with a
[usenetquote2]> > little visit to an old mining down on the way back down. They are =[/usenetquote2]
both
[usenetquote2]> > sleeping now, and both have stomach-aches, but are doing well, and =[/usenetquote2]
we are
[usenetquote2]> > enjoying ourselves.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > I love Russians. They bring such a fresh perspective to =[/usenetquote2]
everything...
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[usenetquote2]> > Chris Bart Banjoman [email protected] Arvada, CO[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > P.S.: We'll have a book out next year on all of this. Drop me an =[/usenetquote2]
e-mail if
[usenetquote2]> > you want to be notified when it comes out.[/usenetquote2]
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