MeWho

Hi all

Great forum you have here!

I have a couple of questions that i am hoping you all can help me with!

1/
I have heard that the green card for the UK citizen is due to be obselete, is this true?
I read this on another forum, which no one seems to reply t.

2/
Why is it that the UK is an excluded part of the immigration or greencard programm?

I am curious as i was under the impression that the USA and UK were very close alies and worked together???

Thanks

Ray

(1) Forget that... Bobby Darin come to mind..Dreaming just Dreaming... Sing along with me ...

(2) I think you mean The Diversity lottery... Diversity is the name of the game there...too many Brits came in during the last five years...even Russia is excluded this year..

Yes they work together but not for immigration ....

MeWho

Ok the diversity lottery....

Cant remember a year that the uk was ever allowed any allocations? let alone the last 5 years....

how was it possible for them to get in if there were no lotteries for the uk?

Pulaski

There are basically six ways (seven if you have a close relative who is a USC and is willing to sponsor you) that you can get a visa to live and work in the US:

(i) Marriage (or engagement in anticipation of marriage) to a US citizen.
(ii) You have skills that are in short supply in the US e.g. IT, scientific or medical training.
(iii) You have an employer who is willing to transfer you - but even the employer has to make a good case for you - so you have to be a manager unless you fall under category (ii), above.
(iv) get a greencard in the diversity lottery (UK citizens, except N.Ireland are not eligible)
(v) You own a business (does not get you permanent resident status i.e. no greencard)
(vi) You are an "investor" i.e. you have at least US$1m in assets to bring with you.

It is not easy to get even a recruitment agent to take you seriously if you are not already in the US, but if you are getting a visa under (ii) above then you need a job offer before you can get the visa. It's a chicken and egg situation.

If you want to come to live in the US then, as a British citizen, the only realistic options you have are (ii) or (iii) in my list above, unless you happen to have a USC spouse.

I hope this helps.

Hnchoksi

    >Subject: Hi from a newbie! and a couple of questions!
    >From: MeWho [email protected]
    >Date: 8/25/03 7:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    >Message-id: <[email protected]>
    >Hi all
    >Great forum you have here!
    >I have a couple of questions that i am hoping you all can help me with!
    >1/
    >I have heard that the green card for the UK citizen is due to be
    >obselete, is this true?
    >I read this on another forum, which no one seems to reply t.
    >2/
    >Why is it that the UK is an excluded part of the immigration or
    >greencard programm?
    >I am curious as i was under the impression that the USA and UK were very
    >close alies and worked together???
    >Thanks

What the heck are you talking about? People from all countries are eligible to
get a green card if they meet the requirements...

Joachim Feise

Hnchoksi wrote:

    >>Subject: Hi from a newbie! and a couple of questions!
    >>From: MeWho [email protected]
    >>Date: 8/25/03 7:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time
    >>Message-id: <[email protected]>
    >>Hi all
    >>Great forum you have here!
    >>I have a couple of questions that i am hoping you all can help me with!
    >>1/
    >>I have heard that the green card for the UK citizen is due to be
    >>obselete, is this true?
    >>I read this on another forum, which no one seems to reply t.
    >>2/
    >>Why is it that the UK is an excluded part of the immigration or
    >>greencard programm?
    >>I am curious as i was under the impression that the USA and UK were very
    >>close alies and worked together???
    >>Thanks
    >
    >
    > What the heck are you talking about? People from all countries are eligible to
    > get a green card if they meet the requirements...

I guess he talks about the GC lottery.
The instructions explain clearly why people from the UK are not eligible:
http://travel.state.gov/dv2005.html
"The Act makes available 50,000 permanent resident visas annually to persons
from countries with *low rates of immigration* to the United States.
[...]
with no visas going to citizens of countries sending more than 50,000 immigrants
to the U.S. in the past five years."

-Joe

Pulaski

Wrong! ..... not in the DV lottery. Stick to talking about things you understand!

jaytee

Just some thoughts on this:

Florida is crawling with Brits.. so the government feels there are too many already I guess and not enough diversity.

How do they get here? Mainly through marriage, job, or immediate family. I have seen other Brits in cities like Houston who come from wealthy families (ie. they own a home in Britain worth a million, live in big homes with pools and own a new red Jaguar) so my feeling is that the corporate or academic elite in Britain can land a job in the States, but for everyone else it is a struggle.


Also, wouldn't it be likely to be as much the UK as the US wanting to control its middle and working class and keep them from escaping the system?


Still, you can come visit for 90 days at a time.

Hnchoksi

    >Subject: Re: Hi from a newbie! and a couple of questions!
    >From: Pulaski [email protected]
    >Date: 8/26/03 7:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time
    >Message-id: <[email protected]>
    >Originally posted by Hnchoksi
    >> ..... What the heck are you talking about? People from all countries
    >> are eligible to get a green card if they meet the requirements...
    >>
    >Wrong! ..... not in the DV lottery. Stick to talking about things you
    >understand!
    >--

Wrong yourself...even the lottery has requirements...read the rules...

Jaj

    >On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:40:28 +0000, Pulaski <[email protected]> wrote:
    >If you want to come to live in the US then, as a British citizen, the
    >only realistic options you have are (ii) or (iii) in my list above,
    >unless you happen to have a USC spouse.

Or unless you were born somewhere that is eligible for the DV lottery.
Not every British citizen is born in Great Britain or other ineligible
jurisdictions.


Jeremy

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

Immigrant

    > Florida is crawling with Brits.. so the government feels there are too
    > many already I guess and not enough diversity.
    >
    > How do they get here? Mainly through marriage, job, or immediate
    > family. I have seen other Brits in cities like Houston who come from
    > wealthy families (ie. they own a home in Britain worth a million, live
    > in big homes with pools and own a new red Jaguar) so my feeling is that
    > the corporate or academic elite in Britain can land a job in the States,
    > but for everyone else it is a struggle.
    >
    > Also, wouldn't it be likely to be as much the UK as the US wanting
    > to control its middle and working class and keep them from escaping
    > the system?


--- I find it rediculous..."Crawling with Brits"...reads like they
would be a pest or some desease...they get here just like any other
people...according to the laws of the USA...

Why are these laws in place if later on we have to read statements
that there are enough of this and this race now???

To me it sounds like in slave times...

jaytee

Good questions. The diversity lottery aims to improve diversity so that we bring in a number of people to fill quotas from underrepresented countries.

Read for yourself: http://www.bcis.gov/graphics/service...cy/divvisa.htm

"Each year, the Diversity Lottery (DV) Program makes 55,000 immigrant visas available through a lottery to people who come from countries with low rates of immigration to the United States..."

The crawling with Brits comment was mostly silliness. I mean to say that if you go down to Florida there are a lot of Brits there. So, it makes you think it is easy to get a green card when in fact most of them come over on visas with conditions which is a form of slavery.

Pulaski

I have, and British citizens, unless born in Northern Ireland, aren't eligible, which is what I said in the first place.

Which is entirely consistent with what I said in the first place ...."British citizens, unless born in Northern Ireland, aren't eligible".

=================================

Granted those with dual citizenship could apply with their "other" passport, but that is only likely to apply to a very small percentage of British citizens.

J. J. Farrell

From: "Pulaski" <[email protected]>
    > Originally posted by Jaj
    > >
    > > ..... Or unless you were born somewhere that is eligible for the DV
    > > lottery.
    > > Not every British citizen is born in Great Britain or other ineligible
    > > jurisdictions.
    > Which is entirely consistent with what I said in the first place
    > ..."British citizens, unless born in Northern Ireland, aren't
    > eligible".

It's not in any way consistent, and you are wrong.
Citizenship is not relevant to the DV lottery.
People born in the UK and its territories, other
than those born in Northern Ireland and those whose
spouses were born in eligible countries, are not
eligible.

Many British citizens who were not born in Northern
Ireland are eligible.

Joachim Feise

J. J. Farrell wrote:

    > From: "Pulaski" <[email protected]>
    >=20
    >>Originally posted by Jaj
    >>>..... Or unless you were born somewhere that is eligible for the DV
    >>>lottery.
    >>>Not every British citizen is born in Great Britain or other ineligible=

    >>>jurisdictions.
    >>Which is entirely consistent with what I said in the first place
    >>..."British citizens, unless born in Northern Ireland, aren't
    >>eligible".
    >=20
    >=20
    > It's not in any way consistent, and you are wrong.
    > Citizenship is not relevant to the DV lottery.
    > People born in the UK and its territories, other
    > than those born in Northern Ireland and those whose
    > spouses were born in eligible countries, are not
    > eligible.

Even that is not entirely correct. It is possible in certain cases
to use the parents' country of birth to determine eligibility.
=46rom http://travel.state.gov/dv2005.html:
"Native of a country whose natives qualify: In most cases this means the
country in which the applicant was born. However, if a person was born in=

a country whose natives are ineligible but his/her spouse was born in a
country whose natives are eligible, such person can claim the spouse=92s
country of birth providing both the applicant and spouse are issued visas=

and enter the U.S. simultaneously. If a person was born in a country whos=
e
natives are ineligible, but neither of his/her parents was born there or
resided there at the time of the birth, such person may be able to claim
nativity in one of the parents=92 country of birth."

-Joe