belfastflyer

Hey guys
I'm new here and have a question for you all.

I've been told that because I live in NI and will be applying through the lottery I will have a better chance as I will be considered for the NI and ROI quota?

I doubt it's true but it'd be good to have it cleared up!

fatbrit

Goes on where you were born, not where you live. Also, there may not be a diversity visa lottery if current legislation in Congress is passed.

TRPardoe

Did not know that but thank goodness.

It never was fair that the Irish could get in but the English, Scots and Welsh could not.

Isn't it odd that the only section of the USA which can discriminate on the grounds of race or origin is the Immigration Service?

Ray

blame the name Kennedy ......

-Ned

"TRPardoe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>> Goes on where you were born, not where you live. Also, there may
>> not be a diversity visa lottery if current legislation in Congress
>> is passed.
>
> Did not know that but thank goodness.
>
> It never was fair that the Irish could get in but the English, Scots and
> Welsh could not.
>
> Isn't it odd that the only section of the USA which can discriminate on
> the grounds of race or origin is the Immigration Service?
>
> --


The only countries that are ineligible for the Diversity Visa are those that
have already sent at least 50,000 immigrants to the US over the previous 5
years. They are trying to compensate for the lack of diversity in the other
visa categories. To say that the British can't get in is a falsehood.

-Ned

"belfastflyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Hey guys
> I'm new here and have a question for you all.
>
> I've been told that because I live in NI and will be applying through
> the lottery I will have a better chance as I will be considered for the
> NI and ROI quota?
>
> I doubt it's true but it'd be good to have it cleared up!
>
> --


Yes, natives of NI and ROI are eligible to apply. You can learn more here:

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigra...ypes_1318.html

The chances of being selected are still pretty slim - but if you're not in,
you can't win.

TRPardoe

Read my lips.

I did not say the British can't get in, I said that the English, Scots and Welsh cannot participate in the diversity lottery but the Irish can. That's a fact Jack.

It's unreasonable that Northern Ireland is counted as being in Ireland and not in the UK for the 50K criteria. Hong Kong and Macau are not counted as being in China which is equal nonsense. On that basis Scotland and Wales ought to be considered seperate too.

However, they manage to count Taiwan as not being part of China which it isn't, unless you ask the Chinese.

-Ned

"TRPardoe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "TRPardoe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected] m...
>> >
>> >> Goes on where you were born, not where you live. Also, there may
>> >> not be a diversity visa lottery if current legislation in Congress
>> >> is passed.
>> >
>> > Did not know that but thank goodness.
>> >
>> > It never was fair that the Irish could get in but the English, Scots
>> > and
>> > Welsh could not.
>> >
>> > Isn't it odd that the only section of the USA which can discriminate
>> > on
>> > the grounds of race or origin is the Immigration Service?
>> >
>> > --
>>
>>
>> The only countries that are ineligible for the Diversity Visa are
>> those that
>> have already sent at least 50,000 immigrants to the US over the
>> previous 5
>> years. They are trying to compensate for the lack of diversity in the
>> other
>> visa categories. To say that the British can't get in is a falsehood.
>
> Read my lips.
>
> I did not say the British can't get in, I said that the English, Scots
> and Welsh cannot participate in the diversity lottery but the Irish can.
> That's a fact Jack.
>
> It's unreasonable that Northern Ireland is counted as being in Ireland
> and not in the UK for the 50K criteria. Hong Kong and Macau are not
> counted as being in China which is equal nonsense. On that basis
> Scotland and Wales ought to be considered seperate too.
>
> However, they manage to count Taiwan as not being part of China which it
> isn't, unless you ask the Chinese.
>
> --



So what if the English, Scots and Welsh can't participate? Many others
can't participate either. Northern Irelnad is a special case because anyone
born in Northern Ireland is entitled to Irish citizenship under Irish law.
It would be pretty hard for the US to distinguish between Irish citizens in
one part of the island from those in another part of the same island. You
might find that "unreasonable". Many people find the partition of Ireland
to be somewhat more than "unreasonable". That's a fact, Jack.

L D Jones

Ned wrote:
> "TRPardoe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] m...
>>> "TRPardoe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected] m...
>>>>> Goes on where you were born, not where you live. Also, there may
>>>>> not be a diversity visa lottery if current legislation in Congress
>>>>> is passed.
>>>> Did not know that but thank goodness.
>>>>
>>>> It never was fair that the Irish could get in but the English, Scots
>>>> and
>>>> Welsh could not.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't it odd that the only section of the USA which can discriminate
>>>> on
>>>> the grounds of race or origin is the Immigration Service?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> The only countries that are ineligible for the Diversity Visa are
>>> those that
>>> have already sent at least 50,000 immigrants to the US over the
>>> previous 5
>>> years. They are trying to compensate for the lack of diversity in the
>>> other
>>> visa categories. To say that the British can't get in is a falsehood.
>> Read my lips.
>>
>> I did not say the British can't get in, I said that the English, Scots
>> and Welsh cannot participate in the diversity lottery but the Irish can.
>> That's a fact Jack.
>>
>> It's unreasonable that Northern Ireland is counted as being in Ireland
>> and not in the UK for the 50K criteria. Hong Kong and Macau are not
>> counted as being in China which is equal nonsense. On that basis
>> Scotland and Wales ought to be considered seperate too.
>>
>> However, they manage to count Taiwan as not being part of China which it
>> isn't, unless you ask the Chinese.
>>
>> --

>
>
> So what if the English, Scots and Welsh can't participate? Many others
> can't participate either. Northern Irelnad is a special case because anyone
> born in Northern Ireland is entitled to Irish citizenship under Irish law.
> It would be pretty hard for the US to distinguish between Irish citizens in
> one part of the island from those in another part of the same island. You
> might find that "unreasonable". Many people find the partition of Ireland
> to be somewhat more than "unreasonable". That's a fact, Jack.
>
>
>
NI is a special case because some US congressmen decided it should be

fatbrit

I'm English = was born in England and hold British nationality. I participated and entered the US for the first time ever as a permanent resident using the diversity visa. That's a fact, Jack!

TRPardoe

....but you could not if it was 2008. All Brits who are not Irish are excluded.

"For DV-2008, natives of the following countries1 are not eligible to apply because they sent a total of more than 50,000 immigrants to the U.S. over the period of the previous five years:

BRAZIL, CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, EL SALVADOR, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, PERU, POLAND, RUSSIA, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM. Persons born in Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan are eligible. "

fatbrit

I did it in DV2000. The exclusion of the UK was the same then. I claimed chargeability through my foreign-born wife of that time--not an unusual occurrence for a country so diverse as the UK. Many "English" people may indeed be able to enter -- read the official rules very carefully.

TRPardoe

I still find it bizarre that the USCS can discriminate on racial and geographic grounds. No Chinese unless they are born in HK or Macau, no Brits unless thy are Irish. I am surprised it is constitutional for a Government Department to make these rules.

fatbrit

Congress made the rules, not a department. The visa is if you like akin to positive discrimination in federal employment! And the same arguments apply! The NI anomaly is pure realpolitik.

In its favor, is the fact that it allows free immigration in the spirit of the huddled masses era, the only visa reflecting this unique part of American heritage. I like it....but I'm biased!

Ray

It was and still is in some quarters referred to as "The Irish Program"
when I think early 90s 40% of the visa went to the irish