GC entering US without foreign passport
Feb 22nd 2004, 2:20 pm
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GC entering US without foreign passport
Is it posssible for GC holder to re-enter US without a valid foreign
passport but able to produce a valid GC card at the point of entry (via
seaports or airports)?
passport but able to produce a valid GC card at the point of entry (via
seaports or airports)?
Feb 22nd 2004, 3:58 pm
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Re: GC entering US without foreign passport
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:20:22 +0000, Anu Pam wrote:
> Is it posssible for GC holder to re-enter US without a valid foreign
> passport but able to produce a valid GC card at the point of entry (via
> seaports or airports)?
Yes, to my knowledge that is allowed. Legal permanent residents are exempt
from the passport requirement.
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> Is it posssible for GC holder to re-enter US without a valid foreign
> passport but able to produce a valid GC card at the point of entry (via
> seaports or airports)?
Yes, to my knowledge that is allowed. Legal permanent residents are exempt
from the passport requirement.
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Feb 22nd 2004, 4:27 pm
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Re: GC entering US without foreign passport
Anu Pam said on 2/22/2004 7:20:
> Is it posssible for GC holder to re-enter US without a valid foreign
> passport but able to produce a valid GC card at the point of entry (via
> seaports or airports)?
Yes.
According to 8 CFR 211.2,
"(a) A passport valid for the bearer's entry into a foreign country at
least 60 days beyond the expiration date of his or her immigrant visa
shall be presented by each immigrant except an immigrant who:
[...]
(2) Is entering under the provisions of § 211.1(a)(2) through (a)(7)"
And INA 211.1(a)(2) says:
"(a) General. Except as provided in paragraph (b)(1) of this section,
each arriving alien applying for admission (or boarding the vessel or
aircraft on which he or she arrives) into the United States for lawful
permanent residence, or as a lawful permanent resident returning to an
unrelinquished lawful permanent residence in the United States, shall
present one of the following:
[...]
(2) A valid, unexpired Form I-551, Permanent Resident Card, if seeking
readmission after a temporary absence of less than 1 year [...]"
-Joe
> Is it posssible for GC holder to re-enter US without a valid foreign
> passport but able to produce a valid GC card at the point of entry (via
> seaports or airports)?
Yes.
According to 8 CFR 211.2,
"(a) A passport valid for the bearer's entry into a foreign country at
least 60 days beyond the expiration date of his or her immigrant visa
shall be presented by each immigrant except an immigrant who:
[...]
(2) Is entering under the provisions of § 211.1(a)(2) through (a)(7)"
And INA 211.1(a)(2) says:
"(a) General. Except as provided in paragraph (b)(1) of this section,
each arriving alien applying for admission (or boarding the vessel or
aircraft on which he or she arrives) into the United States for lawful
permanent residence, or as a lawful permanent resident returning to an
unrelinquished lawful permanent residence in the United States, shall
present one of the following:
[...]
(2) A valid, unexpired Form I-551, Permanent Resident Card, if seeking
readmission after a temporary absence of less than 1 year [...]"
-Joe
Feb 22nd 2004, 8:33 pm
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Re: GC entering US without foreign passport
Ingo Pakleppa - see web site for email wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:20:22 +0000, Anu Pam wrote:
>>Is it posssible for GC holder to re-enter US without a valid foreign
>>passport but able to produce a valid GC card at the point of entry (via
>>seaports or airports)?
> Yes, to my knowledge that is allowed. Legal permanent residents are exempt
> from the passport requirement.
Sure, but can we be 100% sure that an LPR without a passport would even
get to the POE? In other words, would foreign governments let sb without
a passport exit and would airlines let sb without a passport board a
U.S.-bound plane?
I have crossed the US-Canadian border (on foot or in a car) several
times without a passport, but so far I have not dared to fly between the
U.S. and Germany without my passport, although it should theoretically
be possible to use just my GC and my German national ID card (which is
almost identical to the picture page in a German passport.)
Cheers,
Thorsten
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:20:22 +0000, Anu Pam wrote:
>>Is it posssible for GC holder to re-enter US without a valid foreign
>>passport but able to produce a valid GC card at the point of entry (via
>>seaports or airports)?
> Yes, to my knowledge that is allowed. Legal permanent residents are exempt
> from the passport requirement.
Sure, but can we be 100% sure that an LPR without a passport would even
get to the POE? In other words, would foreign governments let sb without
a passport exit and would airlines let sb without a passport board a
U.S.-bound plane?
I have crossed the US-Canadian border (on foot or in a car) several
times without a passport, but so far I have not dared to fly between the
U.S. and Germany without my passport, although it should theoretically
be possible to use just my GC and my German national ID card (which is
almost identical to the picture page in a German passport.)
Cheers,
Thorsten
Feb 23rd 2004, 2:52 am
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Re: GC entering US without foreign passport
Yes, some airline at a foreign country do allow us citizens and permanent
residents board US bound planes without a passport but can show some form of
U.S. Govt issued IDs (state driver license, birth cert, greencard).
I just wonder if US would allow permanent resident to enter by just showing
the green card now that everything are so tight down, esp. with the
fingerprinting of foreign visitors, etc.
"Thorsten" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ingo Pakleppa - see web site for email wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:20:22 +0000, Anu Pam wrote:
> >>Is it posssible for GC holder to re-enter US without a valid foreign
> >>passport but able to produce a valid GC card at the point of entry (via
> >>seaports or airports)?
> > Yes, to my knowledge that is allowed. Legal permanent residents are
exempt
> > from the passport requirement.
> Sure, but can we be 100% sure that an LPR without a passport would even
> get to the POE? In other words, would foreign governments let sb without
> a passport exit and would airlines let sb without a passport board a
> U.S.-bound plane?
> I have crossed the US-Canadian border (on foot or in a car) several
> times without a passport, but so far I have not dared to fly between the
> U.S. and Germany without my passport, although it should theoretically
> be possible to use just my GC and my German national ID card (which is
> almost identical to the picture page in a German passport.)
> Cheers,
> Thorsten
residents board US bound planes without a passport but can show some form of
U.S. Govt issued IDs (state driver license, birth cert, greencard).
I just wonder if US would allow permanent resident to enter by just showing
the green card now that everything are so tight down, esp. with the
fingerprinting of foreign visitors, etc.
"Thorsten" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ingo Pakleppa - see web site for email wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:20:22 +0000, Anu Pam wrote:
> >>Is it posssible for GC holder to re-enter US without a valid foreign
> >>passport but able to produce a valid GC card at the point of entry (via
> >>seaports or airports)?
> > Yes, to my knowledge that is allowed. Legal permanent residents are
exempt
> > from the passport requirement.
> Sure, but can we be 100% sure that an LPR without a passport would even
> get to the POE? In other words, would foreign governments let sb without
> a passport exit and would airlines let sb without a passport board a
> U.S.-bound plane?
> I have crossed the US-Canadian border (on foot or in a car) several
> times without a passport, but so far I have not dared to fly between the
> U.S. and Germany without my passport, although it should theoretically
> be possible to use just my GC and my German national ID card (which is
> almost identical to the picture page in a German passport.)
> Cheers,
> Thorsten
Feb 23rd 2004, 3:17 am
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Re: GC entering US without foreign passport
But when permanent LPR reenter US the USCIS agent stamps the passport and without a passport or expired passport where will the agent put the entry stamp?
Originally posted by Anu Pam
Yes, some airline at a foreign country do allow us citizens and permanent
residents board US bound planes without a passport but can show some form of
U.S. Govt issued IDs (state driver license, birth cert, greencard).
I just wonder if US would allow permanent resident to enter by just showing
the green card now that everything are so tight down, esp. with the
fingerprinting of foreign visitors, etc.
"Thorsten" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ingo Pakleppa - see web site for email wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:20:22 +0000, Anu Pam wrote:
> >>Is it posssible for GC holder to re-enter US without a valid foreign
> >>passport but able to produce a valid GC card at the point of entry (via
> >>seaports or airports)?
> > Yes, to my knowledge that is allowed. Legal permanent residents are
exempt
> > from the passport requirement.
> Sure, but can we be 100% sure that an LPR without a passport would even
> get to the POE? In other words, would foreign governments let sb without
> a passport exit and would airlines let sb without a passport board a
> U.S.-bound plane?
> I have crossed the US-Canadian border (on foot or in a car) several
> times without a passport, but so far I have not dared to fly between the
> U.S. and Germany without my passport, although it should theoretically
> be possible to use just my GC and my German national ID card (which is
> almost identical to the picture page in a German passport.)
> Cheers,
> Thorsten
Yes, some airline at a foreign country do allow us citizens and permanent
residents board US bound planes without a passport but can show some form of
U.S. Govt issued IDs (state driver license, birth cert, greencard).
I just wonder if US would allow permanent resident to enter by just showing
the green card now that everything are so tight down, esp. with the
fingerprinting of foreign visitors, etc.
"Thorsten" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ingo Pakleppa - see web site for email wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:20:22 +0000, Anu Pam wrote:
> >>Is it posssible for GC holder to re-enter US without a valid foreign
> >>passport but able to produce a valid GC card at the point of entry (via
> >>seaports or airports)?
> > Yes, to my knowledge that is allowed. Legal permanent residents are
exempt
> > from the passport requirement.
> Sure, but can we be 100% sure that an LPR without a passport would even
> get to the POE? In other words, would foreign governments let sb without
> a passport exit and would airlines let sb without a passport board a
> U.S.-bound plane?
> I have crossed the US-Canadian border (on foot or in a car) several
> times without a passport, but so far I have not dared to fly between the
> U.S. and Germany without my passport, although it should theoretically
> be possible to use just my GC and my German national ID card (which is
> almost identical to the picture page in a German passport.)
> Cheers,
> Thorsten
Feb 23rd 2004, 6:32 am
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Re: GC entering US without foreign passport
I actually did enter the US with just my GC. This was about six months ago
at the Tijuana POE. I did have my passport in my pocket just in case.
The other time, I entered at Washington's Dulles Airport coming from
Frankfurt. The officer did ask me if I had my passport, so I showed it to
him, but I don't think I would have had a problem if I didn't. This,
however, was pre-9/11.
Thorsten does have a bit of a point in that you may have problems getting
into or out of other countries without a passport. Technically, most
countries do require you to have a passport even if you are their own
citizen. They can't legally deny you admission (based on international
law) but they can penalize you. The situation is similar for leaving the
country.
Airlines usually wouldn't give you too much fuss as long as you have a
Green Card; they are very familiar with that document.
All that said, I agree with Thorsten. Personally, I'm planning to not
leave the USA once my passport expires until I'm a US citizen (which
hopefully will be shortly thereafter).
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 03:52:08 +0000, Anu Pam wrote:
> Yes, some airline at a foreign country do allow us citizens and
> permanent residents board US bound planes without a passport but can
> show some form of U.S. Govt issued IDs (state driver license, birth
> cert, greencard).
>
> I just wonder if US would allow permanent resident to enter by just
> showing the green card now that everything are so tight down, esp. with
> the fingerprinting of foreign visitors, etc.
>
>
>
>
> "Thorsten" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Ingo Pakleppa - see web site for email wrote:
>> > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:20:22 +0000, Anu Pam wrote:
>> >>Is it posssible for GC holder to re-enter US without a valid foreign
>> >>passport but able to produce a valid GC card at the point of entry
>> >>(via seaports or airports)?
>> > Yes, to my knowledge that is allowed. Legal permanent residents are
> exempt
>> > from the passport requirement.
>> Sure, but can we be 100% sure that an LPR without a passport would even
>> get to the POE? In other words, would foreign governments let sb
>> without a passport exit and would airlines let sb without a passport
>> board a U.S.-bound plane?
>> I have crossed the US-Canadian border (on foot or in a car) several
>> times without a passport, but so far I have not dared to fly between
>> the U.S. and Germany without my passport, although it should
>> theoretically be possible to use just my GC and my German national ID
>> card (which is almost identical to the picture page in a German
>> passport.)
>> Cheers,
>> Thorsten
--
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everybody to seek competent legal counsel rather than relying on usenet
newsgroups.
Please support H.R. 539, H.R. 832 and S. 1510. More information at
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at the Tijuana POE. I did have my passport in my pocket just in case.
The other time, I entered at Washington's Dulles Airport coming from
Frankfurt. The officer did ask me if I had my passport, so I showed it to
him, but I don't think I would have had a problem if I didn't. This,
however, was pre-9/11.
Thorsten does have a bit of a point in that you may have problems getting
into or out of other countries without a passport. Technically, most
countries do require you to have a passport even if you are their own
citizen. They can't legally deny you admission (based on international
law) but they can penalize you. The situation is similar for leaving the
country.
Airlines usually wouldn't give you too much fuss as long as you have a
Green Card; they are very familiar with that document.
All that said, I agree with Thorsten. Personally, I'm planning to not
leave the USA once my passport expires until I'm a US citizen (which
hopefully will be shortly thereafter).
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 03:52:08 +0000, Anu Pam wrote:
> Yes, some airline at a foreign country do allow us citizens and
> permanent residents board US bound planes without a passport but can
> show some form of U.S. Govt issued IDs (state driver license, birth
> cert, greencard).
>
> I just wonder if US would allow permanent resident to enter by just
> showing the green card now that everything are so tight down, esp. with
> the fingerprinting of foreign visitors, etc.
>
>
>
>
> "Thorsten" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Ingo Pakleppa - see web site for email wrote:
>> > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:20:22 +0000, Anu Pam wrote:
>> >>Is it posssible for GC holder to re-enter US without a valid foreign
>> >>passport but able to produce a valid GC card at the point of entry
>> >>(via seaports or airports)?
>> > Yes, to my knowledge that is allowed. Legal permanent residents are
> exempt
>> > from the passport requirement.
>> Sure, but can we be 100% sure that an LPR without a passport would even
>> get to the POE? In other words, would foreign governments let sb
>> without a passport exit and would airlines let sb without a passport
>> board a U.S.-bound plane?
>> I have crossed the US-Canadian border (on foot or in a car) several
>> times without a passport, but so far I have not dared to fly between
>> the U.S. and Germany without my passport, although it should
>> theoretically be possible to use just my GC and my German national ID
>> card (which is almost identical to the picture page in a German
>> passport.)
>> Cheers,
>> Thorsten
--
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