Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The
Oct 21st 2003, 5:55 pm
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Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The
I was browsing in the bookstore tonight and happened to glance at the
current Economist. There is an excellent article about immigration in
the current issue---more oriented towards business immigration but some
points stood out:
1. Tourism this year to the USA is down 15%----mainly because of the new
visa regulations requiring an in-person interview for some foreign
nationals that want to come to the USA. Mentioned something about
countries that were on visa-waiver and those nationals wanting to stay
longer needing a visa and an in-person interview (??)
2. Mentioned that H1B's (known as the "Indian computer programmer visa"
according to the magazine----lol) are being reduced from 200,000 back
down to the original amount of 60,000. It's impacting businesses being
able to hire qualified professionals.
3. I think there was something in there about how "it will be more
difficult in the coming years for law-abiding people to immigrate to the
USA." (can't remember exact wording.) Also, I think there was mention of
marriage or "family reunification."
4. Said total immigration now is pegged at 1.2 million for all visas.
Magazine thought that at the present time, we were close to that limit
for the year. (Is there an actual limit for all visas? I've never heard
of one.)
Has anyone seen this article and if so, what are your thoughts?
current Economist. There is an excellent article about immigration in
the current issue---more oriented towards business immigration but some
points stood out:
1. Tourism this year to the USA is down 15%----mainly because of the new
visa regulations requiring an in-person interview for some foreign
nationals that want to come to the USA. Mentioned something about
countries that were on visa-waiver and those nationals wanting to stay
longer needing a visa and an in-person interview (??)
2. Mentioned that H1B's (known as the "Indian computer programmer visa"
according to the magazine----lol) are being reduced from 200,000 back
down to the original amount of 60,000. It's impacting businesses being
able to hire qualified professionals.
3. I think there was something in there about how "it will be more
difficult in the coming years for law-abiding people to immigrate to the
USA." (can't remember exact wording.) Also, I think there was mention of
marriage or "family reunification."
4. Said total immigration now is pegged at 1.2 million for all visas.
Magazine thought that at the present time, we were close to that limit
for the year. (Is there an actual limit for all visas? I've never heard
of one.)
Has anyone seen this article and if so, what are your thoughts?
Oct 21st 2003, 11:27 pm
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Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The
I haven't read the article but will probably now. I did read that the H1 visa limits went down -- due to a very poor economy and the IT field laying off alot of computer programmers. There are caps on quite a few of the visa categories -- however I have read that the immigrant visa for marriage to a USC is not capped as it is seen as a benefit to the United States Citizen -- at least that is what I have heard and read.
I do think immigration is getting harder because of the security concerns and economy. Before it seemed that if the economy was good then immigration was promoted and benefits were easier to obtain.
I do think immigration is getting harder because of the security concerns and economy. Before it seemed that if the economy was good then immigration was promoted and benefits were easier to obtain.
Oct 22nd 2003, 1:49 am
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Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The
The H-1B caps went down because the law that increased them did so only
temporarily and that expired. Perhaps it's true that they haven't been
increased because of the economy but it's very likely the cap will be hit
this year.
Andy.
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"jg1012002" <member@british_expats.com> wrote in message
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> I haven't read the article but will probably now. I did read that the
> H1 visa limits went down -- due to a very poor economy and the IT field
> laying off alot of computer programmers. There are caps on quite a few
> of the visa categories -- however I have read that the immigrant visa
> for marriage to a USC is not capped as it is seen as a benefit to the
> United States Citizen -- at least that is what I have heard and read.
> I do think immigration is getting harder because of the security
> concerns and economy. Before it seemed that if the economy was good
> then immigration was promoted and benefits were easier to obtain.
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
temporarily and that expired. Perhaps it's true that they haven't been
increased because of the economy but it's very likely the cap will be hit
this year.
Andy.
--
I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
"jg1012002" <member@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I haven't read the article but will probably now. I did read that the
> H1 visa limits went down -- due to a very poor economy and the IT field
> laying off alot of computer programmers. There are caps on quite a few
> of the visa categories -- however I have read that the immigrant visa
> for marriage to a USC is not capped as it is seen as a benefit to the
> United States Citizen -- at least that is what I have heard and read.
> I do think immigration is getting harder because of the security
> concerns and economy. Before it seemed that if the economy was good
> then immigration was promoted and benefits were easier to obtain.
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Oct 22nd 2003, 3:03 am
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Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The Economist
I still have to read that particular issue of the ECONOMIST so thanks
for the posting.
Its true about H1Bs... I am in the high tech industry (for decades
now) and we are struggling through the worst recession in memory.
That's one reason why H1Bs were cut ( it is correct they were great
for Indian programmers and also design engineers)
I'd rather see a US Citizen or Green Card holder get a job before we
turn to someone from the outside who is brought in by job agencies or
some non immigrant student fresh out of school looking to land an "H1"
job.
The total H1B quota has been reduced back from 195,000 (during the
go=go 'dot bomb' 1990s) back to 65,000 today.
YES THERE IS AN ACTUAL LIMIT ON HOW MANY BROTHERS SISTERS ETC. can be
sponsored on the family visa. The ONLY visa for which there are no
quotas are spouses and fiancess of US citizens and their children.
EVEN SPOUSES of green card holders are on quota (it takes and Indian
green card holder in the USA about 1 1/2 to 2 years to get his wife
here).
EACH COUNTRY IS ALLOWED ABOUT 20,000 visas a year (immigrant, not
tourist etc)maximum since the mid 1960s when our immigrations laws
were overhauled.
Bottom line - we need to control our borders better in any case...
immigration is generally good, because it brings in fresh brains,
blood and creates new consumers (witness Japans' negative population
growth ratea and economic malaise).
But out-of-control immigration would result in a flood of Indians,
chinese, Filipinos, Guatemalans (you name it) flooding in and destroy
the American way of life !!!!
[email protected] (maryanne kehoe) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I was browsing in the bookstore tonight and happened to glance at the
> current Economist. There is an excellent article about immigration in
> the current issue---more oriented towards business immigration but some
> points stood out:
>
>
> 1. Tourism this year to the USA is down 15%----mainly because of the new
> visa regulations requiring an in-person interview for some foreign
> nationals that want to come to the USA. Mentioned something about
> countries that were on visa-waiver and those nationals wanting to stay
> longer needing a visa and an in-person interview (??)
>
> 2. Mentioned that H1B's (known as the "Indian computer programmer visa"
> according to the magazine----lol) are being reduced from 200,000 back
> down to the original amount of 60,000. It's impacting businesses being
> able to hire qualified professionals.
>
> 3. I think there was something in there about how "it will be more
> difficult in the coming years for law-abiding people to immigrate to the
> USA." (can't remember exact wording.) Also, I think there was mention of
> marriage or "family reunification."
>
> 4. Said total immigration now is pegged at 1.2 million for all visas.
> Magazine thought that at the present time, we were close to that limit
> for the year. (Is there an actual limit for all visas? I've never heard
> of one.)
>
>
> Has anyone seen this article and if so, what are your thoughts?
for the posting.
Its true about H1Bs... I am in the high tech industry (for decades
now) and we are struggling through the worst recession in memory.
That's one reason why H1Bs were cut ( it is correct they were great
for Indian programmers and also design engineers)
I'd rather see a US Citizen or Green Card holder get a job before we
turn to someone from the outside who is brought in by job agencies or
some non immigrant student fresh out of school looking to land an "H1"
job.
The total H1B quota has been reduced back from 195,000 (during the
go=go 'dot bomb' 1990s) back to 65,000 today.
YES THERE IS AN ACTUAL LIMIT ON HOW MANY BROTHERS SISTERS ETC. can be
sponsored on the family visa. The ONLY visa for which there are no
quotas are spouses and fiancess of US citizens and their children.
EVEN SPOUSES of green card holders are on quota (it takes and Indian
green card holder in the USA about 1 1/2 to 2 years to get his wife
here).
EACH COUNTRY IS ALLOWED ABOUT 20,000 visas a year (immigrant, not
tourist etc)maximum since the mid 1960s when our immigrations laws
were overhauled.
Bottom line - we need to control our borders better in any case...
immigration is generally good, because it brings in fresh brains,
blood and creates new consumers (witness Japans' negative population
growth ratea and economic malaise).
But out-of-control immigration would result in a flood of Indians,
chinese, Filipinos, Guatemalans (you name it) flooding in and destroy
the American way of life !!!!
[email protected] (maryanne kehoe) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I was browsing in the bookstore tonight and happened to glance at the
> current Economist. There is an excellent article about immigration in
> the current issue---more oriented towards business immigration but some
> points stood out:
>
>
> 1. Tourism this year to the USA is down 15%----mainly because of the new
> visa regulations requiring an in-person interview for some foreign
> nationals that want to come to the USA. Mentioned something about
> countries that were on visa-waiver and those nationals wanting to stay
> longer needing a visa and an in-person interview (??)
>
> 2. Mentioned that H1B's (known as the "Indian computer programmer visa"
> according to the magazine----lol) are being reduced from 200,000 back
> down to the original amount of 60,000. It's impacting businesses being
> able to hire qualified professionals.
>
> 3. I think there was something in there about how "it will be more
> difficult in the coming years for law-abiding people to immigrate to the
> USA." (can't remember exact wording.) Also, I think there was mention of
> marriage or "family reunification."
>
> 4. Said total immigration now is pegged at 1.2 million for all visas.
> Magazine thought that at the present time, we were close to that limit
> for the year. (Is there an actual limit for all visas? I've never heard
> of one.)
>
>
> Has anyone seen this article and if so, what are your thoughts?
Oct 22nd 2003, 3:07 am
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Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The Economist
Originally posted by ProfsnlOCMan
I still have to read that particular issue of the ECONOMIST so thanks
for the posting.
Its true about H1Bs... I am in the high tech industry (for decades
now) and we are struggling through the worst recession in memory.
That's one reason why H1Bs were cut ( it is correct they were great
for Indian programmers and also design engineers)
I'd rather see a US Citizen or Green Card holder get a job before we
turn to someone from the outside who is brought in by job agencies or
some non immigrant student fresh out of school looking to land an "H1"
job.
The total H1B quota has been reduced back from 195,000 (during the
go=go 'dot bomb' 1990s) back to 65,000 today.
YES THERE IS AN ACTUAL LIMIT ON HOW MANY BROTHERS SISTERS ETC. can be
sponsored on the family visa. The ONLY visa for which there are no
quotas are spouses and fiancess of US citizens and their children.
EVEN SPOUSES of green card holders are on quota (it takes and Indian
green card holder in the USA about 1 1/2 to 2 years to get his wife
here).
EACH COUNTRY IS ALLOWED ABOUT 20,000 visas a year (immigrant, not
tourist etc)maximum since the mid 1960s when our immigrations laws
were overhauled.
Bottom line - we need to control our borders better in any case...
immigration is generally good, because it brings in fresh brains,
blood and creates new consumers (witness Japans' negative population
growth ratea and economic malaise).
But out-of-control immigration would result in a flood of Indians,
chinese, Filipinos, Guatemalans (you name it) flooding in and destroy
the American way of life !!!!
I still have to read that particular issue of the ECONOMIST so thanks
for the posting.
Its true about H1Bs... I am in the high tech industry (for decades
now) and we are struggling through the worst recession in memory.
That's one reason why H1Bs were cut ( it is correct they were great
for Indian programmers and also design engineers)
I'd rather see a US Citizen or Green Card holder get a job before we
turn to someone from the outside who is brought in by job agencies or
some non immigrant student fresh out of school looking to land an "H1"
job.
The total H1B quota has been reduced back from 195,000 (during the
go=go 'dot bomb' 1990s) back to 65,000 today.
YES THERE IS AN ACTUAL LIMIT ON HOW MANY BROTHERS SISTERS ETC. can be
sponsored on the family visa. The ONLY visa for which there are no
quotas are spouses and fiancess of US citizens and their children.
EVEN SPOUSES of green card holders are on quota (it takes and Indian
green card holder in the USA about 1 1/2 to 2 years to get his wife
here).
EACH COUNTRY IS ALLOWED ABOUT 20,000 visas a year (immigrant, not
tourist etc)maximum since the mid 1960s when our immigrations laws
were overhauled.
Bottom line - we need to control our borders better in any case...
immigration is generally good, because it brings in fresh brains,
blood and creates new consumers (witness Japans' negative population
growth ratea and economic malaise).
But out-of-control immigration would result in a flood of Indians,
chinese, Filipinos, Guatemalans (you name it) flooding in and destroy
the American way of life !!!!
The "immediate relative" category also includes parents of US citizens over 21 years of age.
I am amused by the "saving US jobs" argument. The other issue on that score in the IT industry is now "outsourcing" -- if you can't bring the Indian engineers here, then export the jobs instead. Given the indirect job creation [the markets, food, cars, etc], I think that the jobs are now being exported.
Oct 22nd 2003, 3:35 am
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Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The Economist
Hmm, sounds like it would be an interesting article to read.
I also find it interesting that it is said that the number of immigrants getting visas is being lowered, because when I still lived in London where I rode the underground I saw SEVERAL advertisements (to my surprise) to apply for the green card lottery. It seems a bit strange to me that they'd cut certain visas, yet "heavily" advertise for people to apply for the green card lottery. Anyone else find this strange?
I also find it interesting that it is said that the number of immigrants getting visas is being lowered, because when I still lived in London where I rode the underground I saw SEVERAL advertisements (to my surprise) to apply for the green card lottery. It seems a bit strange to me that they'd cut certain visas, yet "heavily" advertise for people to apply for the green card lottery. Anyone else find this strange?
Oct 22nd 2003, 3:44 am
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Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The Economist
I just went to The Econimist website and found the artciel. I'm not sure if it's the whole article or what, but I thought I'd post it in case you guys wanted to read about it: http://www.economist.com/world/na/di...ory_id=2144750
I'd also like to point out this paragraph:
Since October 1st, travellers from visa-waiver countries have needed a machine-readable passport. From next January 1st, all visitors who travel on visas are supposed to be photographed and fingerprinted on entry into America. And from next October new passports issued by visa-waiver countries are supposed to include “biometric� data taken from, say, fingerprints or a facial scan.
Pretty hardcore. I wonder how effective this will be. I just happen to remember that 2 of the 9/11 hijackers were given visas half a year after they were already dead...
I'd also like to point out this paragraph:
Since October 1st, travellers from visa-waiver countries have needed a machine-readable passport. From next January 1st, all visitors who travel on visas are supposed to be photographed and fingerprinted on entry into America. And from next October new passports issued by visa-waiver countries are supposed to include “biometric� data taken from, say, fingerprints or a facial scan.
Pretty hardcore. I wonder how effective this will be. I just happen to remember that 2 of the 9/11 hijackers were given visas half a year after they were already dead...
Oct 22nd 2003, 4:16 am
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Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The Economist
Originally posted by Steffi
I just happen to remember that 2 of the 9/11 hijackers were given visas half a year after they were already dead...
I just happen to remember that 2 of the 9/11 hijackers were given visas half a year after they were already dead...
This got misinterpreted a lot. Two of the hijackers had applied for change of status to students. The applications had been approved BEFORE 9/11. However, the equivalent of the NOA was sent to the schools much later and they were received on 3/11/2002.
20/20 hindsight is always wonderful. On the "visa express" in Saudi, there was much criticism regarding the vistor visa applications of some of the hijackers. Some retired ConOffs said those applications were deficient. However, I can easily envision an application that would be denied in Dacca that would have been approved in Riyadh -- a Saudi kid was unlikely to take employment at a 7-11 -- they never worked at home, so why would they work in the US?
Oct 22nd 2003, 4:18 am
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Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The
Most visa waiver countries have applied for a waiver from the machine
readable requirement for a year and all who applied have been granted it.
It's highly likely that the biometric requirement will have to be postponed
for a long time. There's no way that this will be able to be imposed
unilaterally so first there will have to be agreement on the technology,
etc. that will be used world-wide for this information. Such agreements
always take a lot of time.
Andy.
--
I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
"Steffi" <member@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I just went to The Econimist website and found the artciel. I'm not sure
> if it's the whole article or what, but I thought I'd post it in case you
> guys wanted to read about it: ]http://www.economist.com/world/na/di-
> splayStory.cfm?story_id=2144750[/url]
> I'd also like to point out this paragraph:
> Since October 1st, travellers from visa-waiver countries have needed
> a machine-readable passport. From next January 1st, all visitors
> who travel on visas are supposed to be photographed and fingerprinted
> on entry into America. And from next October new passports issued
> by visa-waiver countries are supposed to include “biometric� data
> taken from, say, fingerprints or a facial scan.
> Pretty hardcore. I wonder how effective this will be. I just happen to
> remember that 2 of the 9/11 hijackers were given visas half a year after
> they were already dead...
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
readable requirement for a year and all who applied have been granted it.
It's highly likely that the biometric requirement will have to be postponed
for a long time. There's no way that this will be able to be imposed
unilaterally so first there will have to be agreement on the technology,
etc. that will be used world-wide for this information. Such agreements
always take a lot of time.
Andy.
--
I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
"Steffi" <member@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I just went to The Econimist website and found the artciel. I'm not sure
> if it's the whole article or what, but I thought I'd post it in case you
> guys wanted to read about it: ]http://www.economist.com/world/na/di-
> splayStory.cfm?story_id=2144750[/url]
> I'd also like to point out this paragraph:
> Since October 1st, travellers from visa-waiver countries have needed
> a machine-readable passport. From next January 1st, all visitors
> who travel on visas are supposed to be photographed and fingerprinted
> on entry into America. And from next October new passports issued
> by visa-waiver countries are supposed to include “biometric� data
> taken from, say, fingerprints or a facial scan.
> Pretty hardcore. I wonder how effective this will be. I just happen to
> remember that 2 of the 9/11 hijackers were given visas half a year after
> they were already dead...
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Oct 22nd 2003, 4:24 am
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Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The
This point is interesting. I have seen an article - it may have been in US News, but I'm not sure - that says businesses are no longer clamoring to 'import' foreign workers. Instead, companies have discovered that they can save even more money by exporting the jobs and leave the foreign workers in their homeland.
The article I saw said that with the slow economy and available out of work people on the one hand, and the exported jobs on the other hand, the country presently does not need even the reduced number of H1-B visas now available. The opposite of what this economist article says.
Am I guilty of UPE - unlicensed practice of economics?
Regards, JEff
The article I saw said that with the slow economy and available out of work people on the one hand, and the exported jobs on the other hand, the country presently does not need even the reduced number of H1-B visas now available. The opposite of what this economist article says.
Am I guilty of UPE - unlicensed practice of economics?
Regards, JEff
Originally posted by Maryanne Kehoe
I was browsing in the bookstore tonight and happened to glance at the current Economist. There is an excellent article about immigration in the current issue---more oriented towards business immigration but some points stood out:
...
2. Mentioned that H1B's (known as the "Indian computer programmer visa" according to the magazine----lol) are being reduced from 200,000 back down to the original amount of 60,000. It's impacting businesses being able to hire qualified professionals.
...
Has anyone seen this article and if so, what are your thoughts?
I was browsing in the bookstore tonight and happened to glance at the current Economist. There is an excellent article about immigration in the current issue---more oriented towards business immigration but some points stood out:
...
2. Mentioned that H1B's (known as the "Indian computer programmer visa" according to the magazine----lol) are being reduced from 200,000 back down to the original amount of 60,000. It's impacting businesses being able to hire qualified professionals.
...
Has anyone seen this article and if so, what are your thoughts?
Oct 22nd 2003, 6:42 am
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Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The Economist
OK. Now I know you're crazy. YOU ARE AN IMMIGRANT. The American way of life? YOU ARE AN IMMIGRANT.
Originally posted by ProfsnlOCMan
I still have to read that particular issue of the ECONOMIST so thanks
for the posting.
Its true about H1Bs... I am in the high tech industry (for decades
now) and we are struggling through the worst recession in memory.
That's one reason why H1Bs were cut ( it is correct they were great
for Indian programmers and also design engineers)
I'd rather see a US Citizen or Green Card holder get a job before we
turn to someone from the outside who is brought in by job agencies or
some non immigrant student fresh out of school looking to land an "H1"
job.
The total H1B quota has been reduced back from 195,000 (during the
go=go 'dot bomb' 1990s) back to 65,000 today.
YES THERE IS AN ACTUAL LIMIT ON HOW MANY BROTHERS SISTERS ETC. can be
sponsored on the family visa. The ONLY visa for which there are no
quotas are spouses and fiancess of US citizens and their children.
EVEN SPOUSES of green card holders are on quota (it takes and Indian
green card holder in the USA about 1 1/2 to 2 years to get his wife
here).
EACH COUNTRY IS ALLOWED ABOUT 20,000 visas a year (immigrant, not
tourist etc)maximum since the mid 1960s when our immigrations laws
were overhauled.
Bottom line - we need to control our borders better in any case...
immigration is generally good, because it brings in fresh brains,
blood and creates new consumers (witness Japans' negative population
growth ratea and economic malaise).
But out-of-control immigration would result in a flood of Indians,
chinese, Filipinos, Guatemalans (you name it) flooding in and destroy
the American way of life !!!!
[email protected] (maryanne kehoe) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I was browsing in the bookstore tonight and happened to glance at the
> current Economist. There is an excellent article about immigration in
> the current issue---more oriented towards business immigration but some
> points stood out:
>
>
> 1. Tourism this year to the USA is down 15%----mainly because of the new
> visa regulations requiring an in-person interview for some foreign
> nationals that want to come to the USA. Mentioned something about
> countries that were on visa-waiver and those nationals wanting to stay
> longer needing a visa and an in-person interview (??)
>
> 2. Mentioned that H1B's (known as the "Indian computer programmer visa"
> according to the magazine----lol) are being reduced from 200,000 back
> down to the original amount of 60,000. It's impacting businesses being
> able to hire qualified professionals.
>
> 3. I think there was something in there about how "it will be more
> difficult in the coming years for law-abiding people to immigrate to the
> USA." (can't remember exact wording.) Also, I think there was mention of
> marriage or "family reunification."
>
> 4. Said total immigration now is pegged at 1.2 million for all visas.
> Magazine thought that at the present time, we were close to that limit
> for the year. (Is there an actual limit for all visas? I've never heard
> of one.)
>
>
> Has anyone seen this article and if so, what are your thoughts?
I still have to read that particular issue of the ECONOMIST so thanks
for the posting.
Its true about H1Bs... I am in the high tech industry (for decades
now) and we are struggling through the worst recession in memory.
That's one reason why H1Bs were cut ( it is correct they were great
for Indian programmers and also design engineers)
I'd rather see a US Citizen or Green Card holder get a job before we
turn to someone from the outside who is brought in by job agencies or
some non immigrant student fresh out of school looking to land an "H1"
job.
The total H1B quota has been reduced back from 195,000 (during the
go=go 'dot bomb' 1990s) back to 65,000 today.
YES THERE IS AN ACTUAL LIMIT ON HOW MANY BROTHERS SISTERS ETC. can be
sponsored on the family visa. The ONLY visa for which there are no
quotas are spouses and fiancess of US citizens and their children.
EVEN SPOUSES of green card holders are on quota (it takes and Indian
green card holder in the USA about 1 1/2 to 2 years to get his wife
here).
EACH COUNTRY IS ALLOWED ABOUT 20,000 visas a year (immigrant, not
tourist etc)maximum since the mid 1960s when our immigrations laws
were overhauled.
Bottom line - we need to control our borders better in any case...
immigration is generally good, because it brings in fresh brains,
blood and creates new consumers (witness Japans' negative population
growth ratea and economic malaise).
But out-of-control immigration would result in a flood of Indians,
chinese, Filipinos, Guatemalans (you name it) flooding in and destroy
the American way of life !!!!
[email protected] (maryanne kehoe) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I was browsing in the bookstore tonight and happened to glance at the
> current Economist. There is an excellent article about immigration in
> the current issue---more oriented towards business immigration but some
> points stood out:
>
>
> 1. Tourism this year to the USA is down 15%----mainly because of the new
> visa regulations requiring an in-person interview for some foreign
> nationals that want to come to the USA. Mentioned something about
> countries that were on visa-waiver and those nationals wanting to stay
> longer needing a visa and an in-person interview (??)
>
> 2. Mentioned that H1B's (known as the "Indian computer programmer visa"
> according to the magazine----lol) are being reduced from 200,000 back
> down to the original amount of 60,000. It's impacting businesses being
> able to hire qualified professionals.
>
> 3. I think there was something in there about how "it will be more
> difficult in the coming years for law-abiding people to immigrate to the
> USA." (can't remember exact wording.) Also, I think there was mention of
> marriage or "family reunification."
>
> 4. Said total immigration now is pegged at 1.2 million for all visas.
> Magazine thought that at the present time, we were close to that limit
> for the year. (Is there an actual limit for all visas? I've never heard
> of one.)
>
>
> Has anyone seen this article and if so, what are your thoughts?
Oct 22nd 2003, 7:19 am
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Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The
Steffi wrote:
> Hmm, sounds like it would be an interesting article to read.
>
> I also find it interesting that it is said that the number of immigrants
> getting visas is being lowered, because when I still lived in London
> where I rode the underground I saw SEVERAL advertisements (to my
> surprise) to apply for the green card lottery. It seems a bit strange to
> me that they'd cut certain visas, yet "heavily" advertise for people to
> apply for the green card lottery. Anyone else find this strange?
Not really.. It is a deversity lottery. Diversity is good for the country.
> Hmm, sounds like it would be an interesting article to read.
>
> I also find it interesting that it is said that the number of immigrants
> getting visas is being lowered, because when I still lived in London
> where I rode the underground I saw SEVERAL advertisements (to my
> surprise) to apply for the green card lottery. It seems a bit strange to
> me that they'd cut certain visas, yet "heavily" advertise for people to
> apply for the green card lottery. Anyone else find this strange?
Not really.. It is a deversity lottery. Diversity is good for the country.
Oct 22nd 2003, 7:30 am
#13
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Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 46,478
Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The
Originally posted by Maryanne Kehoe
I was browsing in the bookstore tonight and happened to glance at the
current Economist. There is an excellent article about immigration in
the current issue---more oriented towards business immigration but some
points stood out:
2. Mentioned that H1B's (known as the "Indian computer programmer visa"
according to the magazine----lol) are being reduced from 200,000 back
down to the original amount of 60,000. It's impacting businesses being
able to hire qualified professionals.
I was browsing in the bookstore tonight and happened to glance at the
current Economist. There is an excellent article about immigration in
the current issue---more oriented towards business immigration but some
points stood out:
2. Mentioned that H1B's (known as the "Indian computer programmer visa"
according to the magazine----lol) are being reduced from 200,000 back
down to the original amount of 60,000. It's impacting businesses being
able to hire qualified professionals.
Rete
Oct 22nd 2003, 7:37 am
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Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The
A lot of "call center" jobs are being exported overseas. When I was in
the UK this summer, there was a big story in the Times about how local
UK directory assistance (with the degregulation that happened this
summer) had a lot of players in the market and your local call might be
answered by an operator in India or South Africa!
On a related note, where are these employers that are so interested in
hiring foreign workers? They certainly aren't in the UK or in
continental Europe!!
Maryanne-----combined total of 28 years hobbyist and professional
broadcast experience and turned down *twice* by BBC radio for an
interview "for being the wrong nationality."
Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The
Group: alt.visa.us.marriage-based Date: Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 4:24pm
(EDT+4) From: member@british_expats.com (jeffreyhy)
This point is interesting. I have seen an article - it may have been in
US News, but I'm not sure - that says businesses are no longer clamoring
to 'import' foreign workers. Instead, companies have discovered that
they can save even more money by exporting the jobs and leave the
foreign workers in their homeland.
The article I saw said that with the slow economy and available out of
work people on the one hand, and the exported jobs on the other hand,
the country presently does not need even the reduced number of H1-B
visas now available. The opposite of what this economist article says.
Am I guilty of UPE - unlicensed practice of economics?
Regards, JEff
Originally posted by Maryanne Kehoe
I was browsing in the bookstore tonight and happened to glance at the
current Economist. There is an excellent article about immigration in
the current issue---more oriented towards business immigration but some
points stood out:
..
2. Mentioned that H1B's (known as the "Indian computer programmer =A0
visa" according to the magazine----lol) are being reduced from =A0
200,000 back down to the original amount of 60,000. It's impacting =A0
businesses being able to hire qualified professionals.
..
Has anyone seen this article and if so, what are your thoughts?
--
Posted via http://britishexpats.com
the UK this summer, there was a big story in the Times about how local
UK directory assistance (with the degregulation that happened this
summer) had a lot of players in the market and your local call might be
answered by an operator in India or South Africa!
On a related note, where are these employers that are so interested in
hiring foreign workers? They certainly aren't in the UK or in
continental Europe!!
Maryanne-----combined total of 28 years hobbyist and professional
broadcast experience and turned down *twice* by BBC radio for an
interview "for being the wrong nationality."
Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The
Group: alt.visa.us.marriage-based Date: Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 4:24pm
(EDT+4) From: member@british_expats.com (jeffreyhy)
This point is interesting. I have seen an article - it may have been in
US News, but I'm not sure - that says businesses are no longer clamoring
to 'import' foreign workers. Instead, companies have discovered that
they can save even more money by exporting the jobs and leave the
foreign workers in their homeland.
The article I saw said that with the slow economy and available out of
work people on the one hand, and the exported jobs on the other hand,
the country presently does not need even the reduced number of H1-B
visas now available. The opposite of what this economist article says.
Am I guilty of UPE - unlicensed practice of economics?
Regards, JEff
Originally posted by Maryanne Kehoe
I was browsing in the bookstore tonight and happened to glance at the
current Economist. There is an excellent article about immigration in
the current issue---more oriented towards business immigration but some
points stood out:
..
2. Mentioned that H1B's (known as the "Indian computer programmer =A0
visa" according to the magazine----lol) are being reduced from =A0
200,000 back down to the original amount of 60,000. It's impacting =A0
businesses being able to hire qualified professionals.
..
Has anyone seen this article and if so, what are your thoughts?
--
Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Oct 22nd 2003, 8:40 am
#15
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Joined: Mar 2003
Location: VA, USA
Posts: 277
Re: Excellent article about immigration in current issue of The Economist
Originally posted by Steffi
I'd also like to point out this paragraph:
Since October 1st, travellers from visa-waiver countries have needed a machine-readable passport. From next January 1st, all visitors who travel on visas are supposed to be photographed and fingerprinted on entry into America. And from next October new passports issued by visa-waiver countries are supposed to include “biometric� data taken from, say, fingerprints or a facial scan.
I'd also like to point out this paragraph:
Since October 1st, travellers from visa-waiver countries have needed a machine-readable passport. From next January 1st, all visitors who travel on visas are supposed to be photographed and fingerprinted on entry into America. And from next October new passports issued by visa-waiver countries are supposed to include “biometric� data taken from, say, fingerprints or a facial scan.
Anyway, I doubt this is gonna happen very soon. The only way I can see it happening that soon is with American tax payers contributing to this extensive plan... And we don't want that.
