Enough is enough
Oct 18th 2002, 6:27 am
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Enough is enough
I am sick and tired of dealing with the INS and DOS. This govenment agency and
that one. Forms upon forms upon forms, that prove who you are since the day you
were born. I have spoken to my wife and we have both agreed that I will move to
Russia to be with her. We will try to make our life together there. We will no
longer be separated by American bureaucrats. A great weight has just been
lifted from my shoulders. I am glad that there was no INS or DOS when my
ancestors first arrived in America. They certainly would have been turned away.
They arrived in a little ship called the Mayflower in 1620. Now I will go back.
Good luck to all of you. I wish you all the best.
Mike and Tatyana
that one. Forms upon forms upon forms, that prove who you are since the day you
were born. I have spoken to my wife and we have both agreed that I will move to
Russia to be with her. We will try to make our life together there. We will no
longer be separated by American bureaucrats. A great weight has just been
lifted from my shoulders. I am glad that there was no INS or DOS when my
ancestors first arrived in America. They certainly would have been turned away.
They arrived in a little ship called the Mayflower in 1620. Now I will go back.
Good luck to all of you. I wish you all the best.
Mike and Tatyana
Oct 18th 2002, 9:00 am
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Re: Enough is enough
Originally posted by Wolf2743mi:
I am sick and tired of dealing with the INS and DOS. This govenment agency and
that one. Forms upon forms upon forms, that prove who you are since the day you
were born. I have spoken to my wife and we have both agreed that I will move to
Russia to be with her. We will try to make our life together there. We will no
longer be separated by American bureaucrats. A great weight has just been
lifted from my shoulders. I am glad that there was no INS or DOS when my
ancestors first arrived in America. They certainly would have been turned away.
They arrived in a little ship called the Mayflower in 1620. Now I will go back.
Good luck to all of you. I wish you all the best.
Mike and Tatyana
I am sick and tired of dealing with the INS and DOS. This govenment agency and
that one. Forms upon forms upon forms, that prove who you are since the day you
were born. I have spoken to my wife and we have both agreed that I will move to
Russia to be with her. We will try to make our life together there. We will no
longer be separated by American bureaucrats. A great weight has just been
lifted from my shoulders. I am glad that there was no INS or DOS when my
ancestors first arrived in America. They certainly would have been turned away.
They arrived in a little ship called the Mayflower in 1620. Now I will go back.
Good luck to all of you. I wish you all the best.
Mike and Tatyana
2. We put up with this crap for love
3. The pilgrims sailed from Plymouth not Russia (they sailed from Plymouth, England and landed in Plymouth, USA - what are the chances of that!)
4. Who would have turned the pilgrims away - the Apache INS, although I think it was the Algonquin tribe who where dominant in New England at the time - May be they should have stopped the Pilgrims and said "How" - long do you intend to stay?
5. In 1620 it was harder to get out of England than it is to get into the US today. (Although I do beleive they are about to change the history books to say that the Mayflower sailed from Russia with the Pilgrismskies)
6. Why does everyone assume the pilgrims where the first settlers in America, by the time the Mayflower landed there where Spanish settlements all the way up the Eastern seaboard as far as the Carolinas, French settlements across what is now mostly Canada and British and Dutch Settlements in rest? Just wondering - I wasn't taught history in America, maybe they tell it different (I heard that they teach that the Vietnam war was a draw!)
7. I am surprised you think that there will be no forms in Russia.
Oct 18th 2002, 10:45 am
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Re: Enough is enough
It's been suggested that the reason the Pilgrims / Mayflower are the ones taught as 'the first' is because they came here for 'worthy' reasons ie. to be able to practice a religion and way of life without being oppressed.
Settlements such as Jamestown were based on one thing: making money.
Which makes the 'better' tale to teach kids. Religion or greed?!
By the way I agree with what you say. Immigration should not be made easy.
Mark
Settlements such as Jamestown were based on one thing: making money.
Which makes the 'better' tale to teach kids. Religion or greed?!
By the way I agree with what you say. Immigration should not be made easy.
Mark
Oct 18th 2002, 11:04 am
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Re: Enough is enough
i think the talk of the pilgrims is off the beaten track here, we are all intending immigrants of one form or another, but it has been mentioned in newspapers and internet articles that people are finding alternative ways of being together rather than waiting huge amounts of time waiting on the US ins system, there has been a 30% drop in this year alone thus resulting in the increase of non-immigrant fee to $100, and it is easier immigrating into other countrys like the UK where it only takes several weeks to get your paperwork, and if wolf chooses to move to Russia to be with his wife, then i say good luck to you both and i hope you are very happy
dee
dee
Oct 18th 2002, 11:20 am
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Re: Enough is enough
Ughh Patrick.. the poor guy is frustrated. Give him a break.
ange
1. If it where easy everyone would do it and the USA would be overcrowded.
2. We put up with this crap for love
3. The pilgrims sailed from Plymouth not Russia (they sailed from Plymouth, England and landed in Plymouth, USA - what are the chances of that!)
4. Who would have turned the pilgrims away - the Apache INS, although I think it was the Algonquin tribe who where dominant in New England at the time - May be they should have stopped the Pilgrims and said "How" - long do you intend to stay?
5. In 1620 it was harder to get out of England than it is to get into the US today. (Although I do beleive they are about to change the history books to say that the Mayflower sailed from Russia with the Pilgrismskies)
6. Why does everyone assume the pilgrims where the first settlers in America, by the time the Mayflower landed there where Spanish settlements all the way up the Eastern seaboard as far as the Carolinas, French settlements across what is now mostly Canada and British and Dutch Settlements in rest? Just wondering - I wasn't taught history in America, maybe they tell it different (I heard that they teach that the Vietnam war was a draw!)
7. I am surprised you think that there will be no forms in Russia.
ange
1. If it where easy everyone would do it and the USA would be overcrowded.
2. We put up with this crap for love
3. The pilgrims sailed from Plymouth not Russia (they sailed from Plymouth, England and landed in Plymouth, USA - what are the chances of that!)
4. Who would have turned the pilgrims away - the Apache INS, although I think it was the Algonquin tribe who where dominant in New England at the time - May be they should have stopped the Pilgrims and said "How" - long do you intend to stay?
5. In 1620 it was harder to get out of England than it is to get into the US today. (Although I do beleive they are about to change the history books to say that the Mayflower sailed from Russia with the Pilgrismskies)
6. Why does everyone assume the pilgrims where the first settlers in America, by the time the Mayflower landed there where Spanish settlements all the way up the Eastern seaboard as far as the Carolinas, French settlements across what is now mostly Canada and British and Dutch Settlements in rest? Just wondering - I wasn't taught history in America, maybe they tell it different (I heard that they teach that the Vietnam war was a draw!)
7. I am surprised you think that there will be no forms in Russia.
Last edited by angeles73; Oct 18th 2002 at 12:00 pm.
Oct 18th 2002, 1:04 pm
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Re: Enough is enough
Originally posted by Patrick:
1. If it where easy everyone would do it and the USA would be overcrowded.
2. We put up with this crap for love
3. The pilgrims sailed from Plymouth not Russia (they sailed from Plymouth, England and landed in Plymouth, USA - what are the chances of that!)
4. Who would have turned the pilgrims away - the Apache INS, although I think it was the Algonquin tribe who where dominant in New England at the time - May be they should have stopped the Pilgrims and said "How" - long do you intend to stay?
5. In 1620 it was harder to get out of England than it is to get into the US today. (Although I do beleive they are about to change the history books to say that the Mayflower sailed from Russia with the Pilgrismskies)
6. Why does everyone assume the pilgrims where the first settlers in America, by the time the Mayflower landed there where Spanish settlements all the way up the Eastern seaboard as far as the Carolinas, French settlements across what is now mostly Canada and British and Dutch Settlements in rest? Just wondering - I wasn't taught history in America, maybe they tell it different (I heard that they teach that the Vietnam war was a draw!)
7. I am surprised you think that there will be no forms in Russia.
1. If it where easy everyone would do it and the USA would be overcrowded.
2. We put up with this crap for love
3. The pilgrims sailed from Plymouth not Russia (they sailed from Plymouth, England and landed in Plymouth, USA - what are the chances of that!)
4. Who would have turned the pilgrims away - the Apache INS, although I think it was the Algonquin tribe who where dominant in New England at the time - May be they should have stopped the Pilgrims and said "How" - long do you intend to stay?
5. In 1620 it was harder to get out of England than it is to get into the US today. (Although I do beleive they are about to change the history books to say that the Mayflower sailed from Russia with the Pilgrismskies)
6. Why does everyone assume the pilgrims where the first settlers in America, by the time the Mayflower landed there where Spanish settlements all the way up the Eastern seaboard as far as the Carolinas, French settlements across what is now mostly Canada and British and Dutch Settlements in rest? Just wondering - I wasn't taught history in America, maybe they tell it different (I heard that they teach that the Vietnam war was a draw!)
7. I am surprised you think that there will be no forms in Russia.
Having grown up in the US and educated here, including being inculcated with the national mythology that is part of any country's primary education -- the Pilgrims were NEVER considered the "first". There were considered among the early settlers. Jamestown was always taught as being the FIRST one that managed to stick around a bit.
On the thing with buearcrats, I sometimes wonder if INS hired all the former Soviet ones. ;-)
Oct 18th 2002, 1:29 pm
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Re: Enough is enough
May be they should have stopped the Pilgrims and said "How" - long do you intend to stay?
Now THAT'S funny!
Now THAT'S funny!
Oct 18th 2002, 1:31 pm
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Re: Enough is enough
Originally posted by Folinskyinla:
Hi:
Having grown up in the US and educated here, including being inculcated with the national mythology that is part of any country's primary education -- the Pilgrims were NEVER considered the "first". There were considered among the early settlers. Jamestown was always taught as being the FIRST one that managed to stick around a bit.
On the thing with buearcrats, I sometimes wonder if INS hired all the former Soviet ones. ;-)
Hi:
Having grown up in the US and educated here, including being inculcated with the national mythology that is part of any country's primary education -- the Pilgrims were NEVER considered the "first". There were considered among the early settlers. Jamestown was always taught as being the FIRST one that managed to stick around a bit.
On the thing with buearcrats, I sometimes wonder if INS hired all the former Soviet ones. ;-)
As for Patrick's notation about how history is rewritten, Jim lived in the US as a young boy (when the border of even freer than it is today) and attended school in South Bend, Indiana. He was throw out of class for "correcting" a teacher who was teaching the class that the US won the War of 1812.
Often wondered why Jim had to go through all this INS bullshit when he and his family lived and owned property in Maine in the early '50's and he lived with his grandmother in South Bend, IN for a number of years before returning to Canada.
Oct 18th 2002, 2:08 pm
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Re: Enough is enough
I am facing the same situation, being away from my wife and kid is
killing me. It's made harder by INS and their way of doing business.
They give you no honest timeline, and when you call it's always "wait
another 60 days.."
I looked into living in my wife's country, the jobs just are not
there.
Good luck, have you looked in to what types of visa's you will need to
live and work in your wife's country and how long they would take to
get?
I know it would be easier to work illegal in my wife's country, but I
would run the risk of being deported and/or paying "fines" to
authorities to over look it...
Good luck,
r
[email protected] (wolf2743mi) wrote in message news:...
> I am sick and tired of dealing with the INS and DOS. This govenment agency and
> that one. Forms upon forms upon forms, that prove who you are since the day you
> were born. I have spoken to my wife and we have both agreed that I will move to
> Russia to be with her. We will try to make our life together there. We will no
> longer be separated by American bureaucrats. A great weight has just been
> lifted from my shoulders. I am glad that there was no INS or DOS when my
> ancestors first arrived in America. They certainly would have been turned away.
> They arrived in a little ship called the Mayflower in 1620. Now I will go back.
> Good luck to all of you. I wish you all the best.
> Mike and Tatyana
killing me. It's made harder by INS and their way of doing business.
They give you no honest timeline, and when you call it's always "wait
another 60 days.."
I looked into living in my wife's country, the jobs just are not
there.
Good luck, have you looked in to what types of visa's you will need to
live and work in your wife's country and how long they would take to
get?
I know it would be easier to work illegal in my wife's country, but I
would run the risk of being deported and/or paying "fines" to
authorities to over look it...
Good luck,
r
[email protected] (wolf2743mi) wrote in message news:...
> I am sick and tired of dealing with the INS and DOS. This govenment agency and
> that one. Forms upon forms upon forms, that prove who you are since the day you
> were born. I have spoken to my wife and we have both agreed that I will move to
> Russia to be with her. We will try to make our life together there. We will no
> longer be separated by American bureaucrats. A great weight has just been
> lifted from my shoulders. I am glad that there was no INS or DOS when my
> ancestors first arrived in America. They certainly would have been turned away.
> They arrived in a little ship called the Mayflower in 1620. Now I will go back.
> Good luck to all of you. I wish you all the best.
> Mike and Tatyana
Oct 18th 2002, 2:24 pm
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Re: Enough is enough
Oooooooooooo Rete......lived in Elkhart Indiana nearly my whole
life.....been to South Bend many many times....not to mention Mishawaka for
shopping. So does Jim like Notre Dame Football??.....ahhhhh I really miss
being there this time of year.....sorry ....a bit off topic.....LOL!
Lisa
"Rete" wrote in message
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> he lived with his grandmother in South Bend, IN for a number of years
> before returning to Canada.
> --
life.....been to South Bend many many times....not to mention Mishawaka for
shopping. So does Jim like Notre Dame Football??.....ahhhhh I really miss
being there this time of year.....sorry ....a bit off topic.....LOL!
Lisa
"Rete" wrote in message
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> he lived with his grandmother in South Bend, IN for a number of years
> before returning to Canada.
> --
Oct 18th 2002, 3:08 pm
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Re: Enough is enough
Marky B wrote:
> It's been suggested that the reason the Pilgrims / Mayflower are the
> ones taught as 'the first' is because they came here for 'worthy'
> reasons ie. to be able to practice a religion and way of life without
> being oppressed.
I was never taught that the Pilgrims were the first. What school did you
go to? A religious one?
> Settlements such as Jamestown were based on one thing: making money.
Yeah, and so...
> Which makes the 'better' tale to teach kids. Religion or greed?!
Obviously greed. Religion kills so many people!
> By the way I agree with what you say. Immigration should not be made easy.
Yes but it should not be made difficult for no reason. I understand the
laws, what I don't understand is the slow processing. There is no excuse
for such unnecessary delays.
> It's been suggested that the reason the Pilgrims / Mayflower are the
> ones taught as 'the first' is because they came here for 'worthy'
> reasons ie. to be able to practice a religion and way of life without
> being oppressed.
I was never taught that the Pilgrims were the first. What school did you
go to? A religious one?
> Settlements such as Jamestown were based on one thing: making money.
Yeah, and so...
> Which makes the 'better' tale to teach kids. Religion or greed?!
Obviously greed. Religion kills so many people!
> By the way I agree with what you say. Immigration should not be made easy.
Yes but it should not be made difficult for no reason. I understand the
laws, what I don't understand is the slow processing. There is no excuse
for such unnecessary delays.
Oct 18th 2002, 4:24 pm
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Re: Enough is enough
"Patrick" wrote in message
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> 3. The pilgrims.........sailed from
> Plymouth, England and landed in Plymouth, USA - what are the
> chances of that!)
Zero!
ROTF, that is the funniest thing I have read in the NG in a long time, ha
ha!
Thanks!
Mike
news:447556.1034931648@britishexpats-
.com...
> 3. The pilgrims.........sailed from
> Plymouth, England and landed in Plymouth, USA - what are the
> chances of that!)
Zero!
ROTF, that is the funniest thing I have read in the NG in a long time, ha
ha!
Thanks!
Mike
Oct 18th 2002, 6:21 pm
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Re: Enough is enough
You will be back in six months, tops.....
Do you really think life is a picnic there? HA
[email protected] (wolf2743mi) wrote in message news:...
> I am sick and tired of dealing with the INS and DOS. This govenment agency and
> that one. Forms upon forms upon forms, that prove who you are since the day you
> were born. I have spoken to my wife and we have both agreed that I will move to
> Russia to be with her. We will try to make our life together there. We will no
> longer be separated by American bureaucrats. A great weight has just been
> lifted from my shoulders. I am glad that there was no INS or DOS when my
> ancestors first arrived in America. They certainly would have been turned away.
> They arrived in a little ship called the Mayflower in 1620. Now I will go back.
> Good luck to all of you. I wish you all the best.
> Mike and Tatyana
Do you really think life is a picnic there? HA
[email protected] (wolf2743mi) wrote in message news:...
> I am sick and tired of dealing with the INS and DOS. This govenment agency and
> that one. Forms upon forms upon forms, that prove who you are since the day you
> were born. I have spoken to my wife and we have both agreed that I will move to
> Russia to be with her. We will try to make our life together there. We will no
> longer be separated by American bureaucrats. A great weight has just been
> lifted from my shoulders. I am glad that there was no INS or DOS when my
> ancestors first arrived in America. They certainly would have been turned away.
> They arrived in a little ship called the Mayflower in 1620. Now I will go back.
> Good luck to all of you. I wish you all the best.
> Mike and Tatyana
Oct 18th 2002, 6:58 pm
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Re: Enough is enough
Marky B wrote:
[ ... ]
> Settlements such as Jamestown were based on one thing: making money.
I don't remember my US history. How were they supposed to make money?
Trade with Europe? Trade with the Indians?
[ ... ]
> Settlements such as Jamestown were based on one thing: making money.
I don't remember my US history. How were they supposed to make money?
Trade with Europe? Trade with the Indians?
Oct 18th 2002, 7:15 pm
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Re: Enough is enough
> I am sick and tired of dealing with the INS and DOS. This govenment agency
> and that one. Forms upon forms upon forms, that prove who you are since the
> day you were born. I have spoken to my wife and we have both agreed that I
> will move to Russia to be with her.
You might be able to move to Canada or another country rather than
Russia, but that's a choice you need to look into and consider.
CP
> and that one. Forms upon forms upon forms, that prove who you are since the
> day you were born. I have spoken to my wife and we have both agreed that I
> will move to Russia to be with her.
You might be able to move to Canada or another country rather than
Russia, but that's a choice you need to look into and consider.
CP